Does Roos success with the Dees preasure Bluey?

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There is no doubt Paul Roos is an elite coach even compared to any coach in any code in Australia. What he has done with the Dees this season is remarkable. And that's probably an understatement. Roos has shown how much difference a coach can make...or should make to a team.

Port and Freo were also nobodies until a coach came along and inspired a group of players. The players also were suddenly elevated from ordinary players to stars. They became winners very suddenly, and the same is beginning to happen with the Dees. They are going to have a crack this year, don't worry about next season!

Our boys are no longer the inexperienced kids they once were. They now have the games and fitness under their belts. They also were never ordinary players. They were the elite from the beginning, not like the lists the Dees, freo and Port had to work with. Their players were ordinary, the coach made them stars.

Seeing Roos success with the Dees makes me wonder what he could have done with our kids already? I suspect our defence would be substantially better, just for a start.

I cant help but compare what Roos is doing with Melbourne and how our team is progressing. Sure we are at the correct end of the ladder, but could we be even better? With the list we have playing to their potential, like Roos seems to be able to get out of his teams, we should be a lot better, as amazing as it seems.

I was disappointed with our effort against the Crows. We were uninspired towards the end, just when we needed our boys to switch on and arrest momentum. It was a pathetic capitulation to an ordinary team playing ordinary footy. The passion to win was just not there. That extra bit of manic effort was absent when we needed it. That is a coaching thing. A coach needs to inspire his team, challenge them, remind them that you win close games at the end, not at the start or in the middle. I had to wonder what Roos could have done with this group?

We went missing at the end when the pressure was on.



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roos coaching style is ""a players coach"". he gets into the heads of the players and forms a team. other coaches (malthouse, the twins) is to load up the duties on a few and the rest of the team to pick up the pieces. Like for eg....the swanks have got sfa as a team but they have a forward line that can easliy beat any team. if the forwards dont get the ball there is no goal.
now look at the hawks. alistar is the same as roos. a players coach. form a team, bond them together , so they all are playing for the same cause and reason (the badge)....... the hawks have had 12 different goal kickers in one game....swanks 5 in one game...
what roos is doing will be basically finishing of the work from the former coach (sorry i forgot his name(the guy who died from brain cancer))
players rtespond better on a personal level instead of a run laps type of training.
identify a players strenghts and develope their confidence to refine their skills......instead of trying to improve there weakness.... confidence is the key
 
roos coaching style is ""a players coach"". he gets into the heads of the players and forms a team. other coaches (malthouse, the twins) is to load up the duties on a few and the rest of the team to pick up the pieces. Like for eg....the swanks have got sfa as a team but they have a forward line that can easliy beat any team. if the forwards dont get the ball there is no goal.
now look at the hawks. alistar is the same as roos. a players coach. form a team, bond them together , so they all are playing for the same cause and reason (the badge)....... the hawks have had 12 different goal kickers in one game....swanks 5 in one game...
what roos is doing will be basically finishing of the work from the former coach (sorry i forgot his name(the guy who died from brain cancer))
players rtespond better on a personal level instead of a run laps type of training.
identify a players strenghts and develope their confidence to refine their skills......instead of trying to improve there weakness.... confidence is the key

Agree with this somewhat. Any professional sport you will find the best and most successful teams are the tightest knit and strongest mentally. The pure skill will only get you so far.
 

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Interesting thread. I've often wondered how much time Bluey would be given before success would be expected.

Like for eg....the swanks have got sfa as a team but they have a forward line that can easliy beat any team. if the forwards dont get the ball there is no goal.

Can anyone translate?
 
I think that both Paul Roos and Guy McKenna are both doing a great job with their respective clubs.

Roos has had the experience of being a star playing in sides that were basket cases at one time or another (Fitzroy mainly and the Swans as they started to improve) and Guy McKenna was at the Eagles in their formative years and was a star amongst stars and played in that successful era of the 90's. Now when you look at that in their backgrounds you can se why and how each team is improving under these two coaches.

McKenna has always said that there would be pain at the start and then success would follow, so far he is being proven right. Roos has said he would plug the leaks and then work on a game plan with what he has available, so far he has done that.

Once the Suns have had an average of 80-100 games each under their belts it will be a horror for other sides to play them anywhere, especially when Jesus (G Ablett Jnr) the son of God (G Ablett Snr) is resting in the forward pocket.

When Melbourne learns how to recruit the players that they need to suit what Roos wants to do, they will also start to look good. If they both remain in charge these two clubs could soon be playing each other in Finals.

To put it into perspective I think that both teams have the right coach and both teams will be successful in the not to distant future. So the answer to your question is no this does not put pressure on Bluey.
 
In the West, the consensus from people who knew Bluey is that he would always do well.

I firmly believe the recruiting at GC is far advanced to that at GWS, then again i think Melbourne's list is underrated.

Roo's isn't stupid, he took a job with a big upside. Melbourne has plenty of young talent and he will mould that over the next few years.

I think Melbourne will move up the ladder faster than GWS, but they are far behind you guys.

Your recruiting was A++
 
In the West, the consensus from people who knew Bluey is that he would always do well.

I firmly believe the recruiting at GC is far advanced to that at GWS, then again i think Melbourne's list is underrated.

Roo's isn't stupid, he took a job with a big upside. Melbourne has plenty of young talent and he will mould that over the next few years.

I think Melbourne will move up the ladder faster than GWS, but they are far behind you guys.

Your recruiting was A++

Nailed it.
 
I think if Melbourne overtakes the Suns than I think McKenna isn't the right man for the job. Dees have nowhere near the overall talent but if the coach gets them to buy into his gameplan than anything can happen. Look at Freo, they don't have a lot of talent (like Port, Hawks or Swans) but they have bought into Lyons plans and are a top 4 teams imo.
 
Silly thread imo, they're doing pretty well this season. Looking like top 8 which would definitely be something I imagine all Gold Coast fans would've been happy with at end of last season. I think next season finals are expected again and probably to win a final. Looking a lot better than GWS right now and I think he's doing a good job.
 

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I think we are about where we should be in our development, if that makes Bluey a good, bad or indifferent coach I don't know. What I do know is that we need to be challenging for a flag in 2 years or we will of wasted one of the best lists of all time and Bluey will be unlikely to be there.

Gut feel is he will get us there
 
People are quick to forget how highly rated Bluey was before his appointment. He got the job for a reason.
 
Wow. How good are the Dees going!!

Ive always believed there is very little difference in the raw talent of elite footy players. A player, players or team that have a good mental approach will make up for any small difference in skill level.

A coach, a good coach trades on the mental side of sportsmen and women. It is there where the biggest potential advantage lays. As ive said, at the elite level of sport there is little difference in the ability of players. Its the coach that creates winning teams. They can do it with any bunch of elite cattle..
 
Wow. How good are the Dees going!!

Ive always believed there is very little difference in the raw talent of elite footy players. A player, players or team that have a good mental approach will make up for any small difference in skill level.

A coach, a good coach trades on the mental side of sportsmen and women. It is there where the biggest potential advantage lays. As ive said, at the elite level of sport there is little difference in the ability of players. Its the coach that creates winning teams. They can do it with any bunch of elite cattle..

Certainly the mental side of it I agree with as I think that's probably 60-70% of professional sport side of things.

The development of skills, maturity, knowledge of the game as well. The off field staff is underrated.

But look at Geelong's span, there really isn't any top draft picks there from their stars, Enright, Kelly, Ling, Scarlett, Ablett, Selwood, Johnson, Hawkins etc... it's their culture and the off field staff that develop (not just 1 man).
 
Certainly the mental side of it I agree with as I think that's probably 60-70% of professional sport side of things.

The development of skills, maturity, knowledge of the game as well. The off field staff is underrated.

But look at Geelong's span, there really isn't any top draft picks there from their stars, Enright, Kelly, Ling, Scarlett, Ablett, Selwood, Johnson, Hawkins etc... it's their culture and the off field staff that develop (not just 1 man).
You have probably identified an area where the Dees have done extra well. There was so many positive changes to Dees admin and off field staff, it would be contributing to their success as well as the coach.
 
Certainly the mental side of it I agree with as I think that's probably 60-70% of professional sport side of things.

The development of skills, maturity, knowledge of the game as well. The off field staff is underrated.

But look at Geelong's span, there really isn't any top draft picks there from their stars, Enright, Kelly, Ling, Scarlett, Ablett, Selwood, Johnson, Hawkins etc... it's their culture and the off field staff that develop (not just 1 man).

Have to remember Hawkins, Scarlett, Ablett were all father son. Also, Selwood was rated top 3 on talent but slipped due to his injuries but was still selected at #5 I think.

What your saying though is 100% correct I reckon.
 
Our next two home games are our opportunity to prove we deserve to be in the 8. Everyone's head should ride on the results. Players might be expected to get dropped for a bad result. The coach should also field criticism for failure.

We are now good enough to win.

I will be there for both games. I'll cop my fair share for not yelling loud enough if we FAIL...
 
Um no. You are better than that.

Read the title, read the OP, then read the thread.

I have. I just do not believe the two are comparable at all. How do you know McKenna could not have done the exact same thing at Melbourne? It is all fruitless speculation until the two teams are comparable.

Not having a go at you, just saying it doesn't really make sense to me...
 

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