Does the Academy selections encourage tanking?

[Marc_Remillard]

Notice you picked the 1 club out of 4 clubs that has not had recent go home factor problems. Why don't we talk about the other three?

Sure, that's easy. The academies are in place to counter issues such as the go home factor, i fully support GWS and GCS having an Academyi i think it's an important tool to grow the game in their areas.
I don't like Brisbane having one but i see and understand why so i can accept it.

But Sydney having one is just a rort of the system. Sydney does not have the same issuesas the other clubs have in the North. Sydney does not lose players to the go home factor, they continually attract elite talent, they are a strong club with a large supporter base.

Every argument that is put forward for Sydney having an Academy has been torn to shreds.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Melbourne: Tyson, Bugg
Hawthorn: O'Rourke
Richmond: Miles
Collingwood: Treloar, Adams
Carlton: Plowman, Jaksch, Whiley, Philips
St Kilda: Bruce
Bulldogs: Boyd
Geelong:Caddy

To name a few.
So like I said, the introduction of GWS & G C has created a holding ground,( academy) for the vic clubs to pounce on to bring the Vic kids back home.
There's your advantage right there.
Boyd at the Bulldogs would never have happened.

What an incredibly simplistic argument. GWS always had to reduce their numbers

 

[Colonial]

Sure, that's easy. The academies are in place to counter issues such as the go home factor, i fully support GWS and GCS having an Academyi i think it's an important tool to grow the game in their areas.
I don't like Brisbane having one but i see and understand why so i can accept it.

But Sydney having one is just a rort of the system. Sydney does not have the same issuesas the other clubs have in the North. Sydney does not lose players to the go home factor, they continually attract elite talent, they are a strong club with a large supporter base.

Every argument that is put forward for Sydney having an Academy has been torn to shreds.

And i would agree with you there but the one problem is. We havent seen a cola less swans. Well pre millenium anyway. And thay wasnt pretty.
With the cola they have been able to overcome with just paying more than any other side. This now changes. And they will end up having the same issues as the other northern clubs. Academies will and are addressing that with a healthy boost to home grown players into the lists.

 

[RUNVS]

Sure, that's easy. The academies are in place to counter issues such as the go home factor, i fully support GWS and GCS having an Academyi i think it's an important tool to grow the game in their areas.
I don't like Brisbane having one but i see and understand why so i can accept it.

But Sydney having one is just a rort of the system. Sydney does not have the same issuesas the other clubs have in the North. Sydney does not lose players to the go home factor, they continually attract elite talent, they are a strong club with a large supporter base.

Every argument that is put forward for Sydney having an Academy has been torn to shreds.

Hardly. One of the big reasons for having an academy is providing pathways for players in our zone, and the Swans have done that as Heeney and Mills would never have been drafted otherwise. The Swans academy provided them the pathway they otherwise would not have had.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Luckily for me I do not care what you or any Vic based fan thinks.

This is the typical response from a swans fan, completely unable to contruct an argument so this is what they do.

Swan fans arecso used to being on the drip feed they now think it's their right

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

No. Under neither "system". Were it not for the academies, he'd probably be lining up for the Newcastle Knights.

So what?

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

GWS always had to reduce their numbers

So why does everyone jump up and down and cry "mass exodus" when someone leaves our club or is moved on? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Oh, wait a minute.... This is Big Footy.... Never mind.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

So why does everyone jump up and down and cry "mass exodus" when someone leaves our club or is moved on? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Oh, wait a minute.... This is Big Footy.... Never mind.

err, what? I've never gone down that path so your absurd generalisation has been proven wrong.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

It is almost certain Heeney would not be in the AFL now if not for the academy, same with Mills.

I hate this line. Who cares if they didnt play AFL? The spectacle wouldn't change if a handful of kids decided not to play footy. We wouldn't even know anyway.

and now with the points system there is only a small advantage, and that advantage is pretty much gone as well since every other club now has an academy as well.

This is true, the new system is much fairer and now that all clubs will have similar academies it helps (though only for 'multicultural kids' whatever the **** that means....).

I'd prefer it if there were no academy picks full stop though tbh. Last place gets pick 1. Premiers get pick 18. Simple

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Hardly. One of the big reasons for having an academy is providing pathways for players in our zone, and the Swans have done that as Heeney and Mills would never have been drafted otherwise. The Swans academy provided them the pathway they otherwise would not have had.

Mills was always going to play AFL, ffs he wanted his mum to change his name to Tony Locket when he was young.

Simple solution to that is give the zone to GWS, I have absolutely no issues with that at all. If what you're saying is correct it wouldn't matter which Northern club they end up at.

Still no argument as to why Sydney should have an academy.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

And i would agree with you there but the one problem is. We havent seen a cola less swans. Well pre millenium anyway. And thay wasnt pretty.
With the cola they have been able to overcome with just paying more than any other side. This now changes. And they will end up having the same issues as the other northern clubs. Academies will and are addressing that with a healthy boost to home grown players into the lists.

The Swans have only themselves to blame for that, The Franklin scenario was just them sticking their collective middle fingers up at the rest of the competition, Franklin should be playing for GWS now but they used their advantages to land him. After that little stunt they were always going to lose it.

 

[RUNVS]

Mills was always going to play AFL, ffs he wanted his mum to change his name to Tony Locket when he was young.

Again, that is not the issue. Sure Mills may have been a big AFL fan as a kid, but if he did not have the pathway into the AFL that the academy provided then he never would have made it.

 

[Colonial]

I hate this line. Who cares if they didnt play AFL? The spectacle wouldn't change if a handful of kids decided not to play footy. We wouldn't even know anyway.

Except people like you cry over the lack of talent for 18 teams.

This is building up that talent base.

 

[RUNVS]

I hate this line. Who cares if they didnt play AFL? The spectacle wouldn't change if a handful of kids decided not to play footy. We wouldn't even know anyway.

We wouldn't know but if Mills and Heeney were not in the competition, same with the players from other academies (say 8 players in 2015 draft) that means 8 players from Victoria, WA and SA would have been drafted instead, 8 players who are not in the AFL now because they are not good enough. The academies have made the entire draft pool better.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Again, that is not the issue. Sure Mills may have been a big AFL fan as a kid, but if he did not have the pathway into the AFL that the academy provided then he never would have made it.

Rubbish.

But even if it's true let GWS have him. Why should a powerful club like Sydney who doesn't have all the disadvantages that the other northern clubs have such an advantage over the rest of the competition?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

We wouldn't know but if Mills and Heeney were not in the competition, same with the players from other academies (say 8 players in 2015 draft) that means 8 players from Victoria, WA and SA would have been drafted instead, 8 players who are not in the AFL now because they are not good enough. The academies have made the entire draft pool better.

So let GWS have them

 

[Colonial]

Franklin should be playing for GWS now but they used their advantages to land him. After that little stunt they were always going to lose it.

And for that Im eternally greatful to the Swans.

 

[Tedeski]

What an incredibly simplistic argument. GWS always had to reduce their numbers

So which teams have benefited the most from this reduction?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

So which teams have benefited the most from this reduction?

GWS

 

[momentbymoment]

Sure, that's easy. The academies are in place to counter issues such as the go home factor, i fully support GWS and GCS having an Academyi i think it's an important tool to grow the game in their areas.
I don't like Brisbane having one but i see and understand why so i can accept it.

But Sydney having one is just a rort of the system. Sydney does not have the same issuesas the other clubs have in the North. Sydney does not lose players to the go home factor, they continually attract elite talent, they are a strong club with a large supporter base.

Every argument that is put forward for Sydney having an Academy has been torn to shreds.

True.
Jetta said he wanted to go home but really I think he just wanted payback for the AG saga.

 

[Colonial]

The Swans have only themselves to blame for that

Except we are talking about a fair comp here arent we?

Carlton and Essendon have both ****ed up and i see them still getting to operate.
Being in a northern state means the go home factor is massive.
With no cola all we can do is try to build up our local lads. This allows this.
But also allows talented victorians to stay in Victoria.
Let alone the trade benefits thanks to the new rules.

 

[MarkT2]

The talent pool will actually be better. Guys like Mills would not be in the competition without the academy so it means instead of the Swans drafting a Victorian we are drafting a New South Welshman who would not have otherwise of been drafted at all, so it makes the talent pool better for everyone.

How does that change if the AFL fund and the pool is open to everyone?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

True.
Jetta said he wanted to go home but really I think he just wanted payback for the AG saga.

Sydney were happy for him to go.

btw, real classy Sydney fans booing him

 

[Colonial]

So which teams have benefited the most from this reduction?

GWS

We have? 

Losing Bruce etc is of benefit?

To clarify i want our list to shrink to the lvl of everyone elses. But it shrinking doesnt benefit the club.

It benefits any club trading with us. We have 1st rounders sitting in the magoos that can and will be traded for hardly anything at all.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Except we are talking about a fair comp here arent we?

Carlton and Essendon have both stuffed up and i see them still getting to operate.
Being in a northern state means the go home factor is massive.
With no cola all we can do is try to build up our local lads. This allows this.
But also allows talented victorians to stay in Victoria.
Let alone the trade benefits thanks to the new rules.

But Sydney don't have a problem like the other Northern clubs with losing players to the go home factor. In fact it's the complete opposite. Due to their strength they are considered a destination club and have consistently attracted elite talent, the players that leave them so no more than any other club, less than.

Sydney does not face the same issues as GWS, the AFL want Sydney to be strong and powerful and to consistently play in finals to boost the tv ratings in NSW which increases their income. It's the only reason Sydney gets to have an advantage over the rest of the competition. All this crap about the 'go home factor' is just crap for them. The AFL have artificially propped them up for years and will continue to do so.