Does the Academy selections encourage tanking?

[Marc_Remillard]

Settle down, Doggy Poop!

Injustices NSW & QLD fans have to put up with:

- MCG grand finals
- no marquee matches
- biased Vic media
- undue influence by the likes of presidents such as eddie everywhere, newbould and gordon
- go home factor with interstate draftees
- trade bans despite no rules being broken

You lot need constant reminders that we no longer play in the VFL

When was the last time Sydney lost a player they wanted to keep to the go home factor?

The rest of your list is equally absurd but at least you admit that it has nothing to do with building the in NSW

 

[sataris]

I fail to understand how more players entering the draft is bad for the competition. Then again I'm not brain dead and live in Victoria.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I fail to understand how more players entering the draft is bad for the competition. Then again I'm not brain dead and live in Victoria.

Not bad for bad comp. One club getting access to top 5 picks on the cheap is bad for the eveness of the comp.

 

[Swan4Life]

When was the last time Sydney lost a player they wanted to keep to the go home factor?

The rest of your list is equally absurd but at least you admit that it has nothing to do with building the in NSW

Luckily for me I do not care what you or any Vic based fan thinks.

 

[telsor]

Hopper - NSW
Kennedy - NSW
Himmelberg - ACT
Flynn - NSW
Reid - living in NSW
Lloyd - NSW

And how many of those players wouldn't be playing if not for the academy and GWS's intervention?

 

[telsor]

I fail to understand how more players entering the draft is bad for the competition. Then again I'm not brain dead and live in Victoria.

More players is good.

A few clubs getting preferential access to them is the problem.

 

[Tedeski]

"probably" doesnt cut it.
if Heeny kiccks the winning goal against hawthorn in the prelim final this year i can console myself with the fact if sydney didnt have him, nobody would??
at the end of the day in an adversarial competition with a draft, one team having access to a pool of players makes a mockery of the system. it is what it is but dont make out like its not an advantage . points system only alleviates it.

Victim alert!

 

[Superstar swan]

Really? isaac heeny was available to Carlton was he?

The academy debate is intensified by the fact that the swans landed heeney and mills in consecutuve years just as the academies were being incorporated. It was pure dumb luck to kids with their talent came through at the start.

By all reports , the swans academy is pretty light on for the forseeable future. There would be no debate of we had lean years with the academy right at the start. We may never see talent the likes of heeney and mills ever come through the academy system again

 

[replicant]

When was the last time Sydney lost a player they wanted to keep to the go home factor?

The rest of your list is equally absurd but at least you admit that it has nothing to do with building the in NSW

You realise there are kids in the draft we eliminate during the interview process, because we know they won't stay, right?
Dunkley last year openly said he wanted to stay in Vic. So we lost a good f/s pick. Now maybe there were other reasons, but that would have been part of the clubs calculations.
Wingard famously said he didn't want to move interstate. Heard the same about Rioli. Marc Murphy turned down a f/s pick at the lions to stay in Vic.

We've never even had access the same same draft pool as the heartland states. We've just never had the Vic media presence to make every big footy nuffie concerned about the issue. After all, it was all the "franchise" clubs, so you guys don't give a ****. And now suddenly we get a draft advantage and you guys squeal like the pathetic little whinging squibs you are. Suck it up.

 

[Doggy Dan]

Settle down, Doggy Poop!

Injustices NSW & QLD fans have to put up with:

- MCG grand finals (Dogs home ground is Etihad)
- no marquee matches (First Friday night game in 5 years this week)
- biased Vic media (media in Melbourne are Vic biased, I'm sure SMH journo's are biased towards Sydney)
- undue influence by the likes of presidents such as eddie everywhere, newbould and gordon (Ireland squealed like a pig whenever possible, new guy not much better)
- go home factor with interstate draftees (We have lost players like Griffen, Ward and Harbrow to northern states)
- trade bans despite no rules being broken (Square up for an unjust salary cap rort that was finally being abolished)

You lot need constant reminders that we no longer play in the VFL

Please see responses above.

Especially love Sydney bringing out the go home factor when they have lured players there like Buddy, Tippett, Hall and Lockett.

 

[Scotland]

The academy system is bad for the draft, but I'm not sure it encourages tanking.

Mills "went" at pick 3 because Melbourne tried to draft him at pick 3. If Melbourne had pick 1 or 5 or 50 it wouldn't have made any difference.

 

[The King!]

Fresh topic

 

[Hollow Sorrow]

Heard the same about Rioli.

When did the N.T. get a team?

 

[replicant]

When did the N.T. get a team?

Don't really expect you to know much about your own players. I find most Vic fans pretty ignorant about footy in general.

Rioli moved to Melbourne in 2004 as a 14-year-old, where he attended and boarded at Scotch College for four years whilst playing for the school's football team.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

The rules are different now than they were when Heeney was drafted.

I feel like this is the thing most BigFooty users forget. The rules were changed and are alright as they are now.

 

[Tedeski]

The more players that come through the academies, the more players there are for every other team in the competition. We won't be able to take 5 players for example should there be that many quality boys come from the system.
Naturally most of these guys won't make it but what they will do is continue to play the game at other lower level clubs, thus growing our game in this non tradition AFL state. The more the better.

I see the introduction of GWS and Gold Coast as academies for the Vic clubs.
Make a list of all the players the Vic clubs now have that have come from these clubs after having the time & resources put into them for 2 or 3 years.

 

[Doggy Dan]

The more players that come through the academies, the more players there are for every other team in the competition. We won't be able to take 5 players for example should there be that many quality boys come from the system.
Naturally most of these guys won't make it but what they will do is continue to play the game at other lower level clubs, thus growing our game in this non tradition AFL state. The more the better.

I see the introduction of GWS and Gold Coast as academies for the Vic clubs.
Make a list of all the players the Vic clubs now have that have come from these clubs after having the time & resources put into them for 2 or 3 years.

Please Tedeski, please don't tell me these academies are for Vic clubs and expect me to think you are anything other than a brainwashed idiot.

 

[telsor]

The more players that come through the academies, the more players there are for every other team in the competition. We won't be able to take 5 players for example should there be that many quality boys come from the system.
Naturally most of these guys won't make it but what they will do is continue to play the game at other lower level clubs, thus growing our game in this non tradition AFL state. The more the better.

and the more players that come through the academies, the bigger the advantage to clubs like yours.

There is nothing wrong with academies and training systems, just don't tie them to clubs.

I see the introduction of GWS and Gold Coast as academies for the Vic clubs.
Make a list of all the players the Vic clubs now have that have come from these clubs after having the time & resources put into them for 2 or 3 years.

So those players only went to Vic clubs? There are 16 other clubs, all of which had a shot.

You do realise that when those clubs were set up, with lots of top picks, bigger lists and bigger salary caps, the idea was that they would be forced to lose players as time went on. They got first shot at them and the inside run at keeping the ones they really wanted however.

 

[sataris]

Please Tedeski, please don't tell me these academies are for Vic clubs and expect me to think you are anything other than a brainwashed idiot.

The academies are actually there to drive more kids into the draft. They will be removed in the next 20-30 years once/if AFL takes hold and there are other avenues to the AFL.

PS: Not everything needs to be there for the Vic clubs. (entitled much?)

 

[Hollow Sorrow]

Don't really expect you to know much about your own players. I find most Vic fans pretty ignorant about footy in general.

Don't mention how he had difficulties at first, or how he always heads back home. Trust me Cyril is from Tiwis and not the big smoke of Vic.

 

[replicant]

Don't mention how he had difficulties at first, or how he always heads back home. Trust me Cyril is from Tiwis and not the big smoke of Vic.

What difference does that make? He was Vic or nothing. He wasn't a viable selection for the Northern Clubs. The go home factor was so strong, it was as if he simply wasn't in the draft pool.

 

[Hollow Sorrow]

What difference does that make? He was Vic or nothing. He wasn't a viable selection for the Northern Clubs. The go home factor was so strong, it was as if he simply wasn't in the draft pool.

It was more he wanted to play for Essendon, than not wanting to leave Vic.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

Bottom clubs with poor lists that need to try get more draft picks can benefit greatly with trading for futures/academy picks with Northern Clubs (like Carlton did last season)

I think its a much improved system that will benefit all clubs, and god knows we need more QLD kids in the system for The Lions and Suns.

 

[replicant]

It was more he wanted to play for Essendon, than not wanting to leave Vic.

Man, the strong rumour over the years is he tanked his interviews with all the non-vic clubs.

 

[Hollow Sorrow]

Man, the strong rumour over the years is he tanked his interviews with all the non-vic clubs.

I know some brothers, told me different. No reason to lie to me, I guess will have to agree to disagree if Cyril would play interstate.