Does the Academy selections encourage tanking?

[SydCrow]

Just another flaw in our socialist system. Add it to the draw, the MCG GF, tanking, paper bag sponsorships and China TV deals (lol).

Anyway we have a couple of Cat B rookies tearing it up in the seconds so it's all good.

 

[Tedeski]

Please Tedeski, please don't tell me these academies are for Vic clubs and expect me to think you are anything other than a brainwashed idiot.

Melbourne: Tyson, Bugg
Hawthorn: O'Rourke
Richmond: Miles
Collingwood: Treloar, Adams
Carlton: Plowman, Jaksch, Whiley, Philips
St Kilda: Bruce
Bulldogs: Boyd
Geelong:Caddy

To name a few.
So like I said, the introduction of GWS & G C has created a holding ground,( academy) for the vic clubs to pounce on to bring the Vic kids back home.
There's your advantage right there.
Boyd at the Bulldogs would never have happened.

 

[coniglio_number1]

And how many of those players wouldn't be playing if not for the academy and GWS's intervention?

Kennedy most likely would've remained unknown like his brothers playing in his hometown.

Himmelberg was overlooked in his draft year and was drafted in the back of further time in the academy.

Flynn would've been rookie material at best.

Hopper is the only player that probably would've been drafted without the academy but we've been training him since he was 12 so hard to say

 

[Doggy Dan]

Kennedy most likely would've remained unknown like his brothers playing in his hometown.

Himmelberg was overlooked in his draft year and was drafted in the back of further time in the academy.

Flynn would've been rookie material at best.

Hopper is the only player that probably would've been drafted without the academy but we've been training him since he was 12 so hard to say

Trained him since he was 12? He played the last 2 f*cken years with the Ballarat Rebels.

Lucky for all of us we get to see him play AFL for GWS, if it wasn't for the academy he would've been milking cows in Leeton cause there's never been footy in the Riverina.

 

[Baz_hawk]

These academies are a very good idea and work well to bring in talent to our game. The issue I and many others have is not this area, but the fact that a select few clubs have these academies and are able to groom a player to be AFL ready before even drafting them. Heeney and Mills both have forged a spot in the senior side thanks to this development. Other clubs have no access to any players and cannot provide this development level. That to me makes it a very uneven playing field. If you develop an academy player I think you should be forced to sacrifice more on draft night to secure their services.

 

[telsor]

Kennedy most likely would've remained unknown like his brothers playing in his hometown.

Himmelberg was overlooked in his draft year and was drafted in the back of further time in the academy.

Flynn would've been rookie material at best.

Hopper is the only player that probably would've been drafted without the academy but we've been training him since he was 12 so hard to say

So basically, they were all in football already, so if the academy was run by AFLNSW and not related to your club, they'd still be in the system (and lets face it, the money would still be coming from the same place).

Might even generate some players below AFL standard, which would help football in the state beyond your club.

 

[V9x18]

Perfect then only draft homegrown talent, you want full access to the talent pool from Vic, SA and WA but have NSW and Qld talent quarantined. Do you people seriously believe this system is equitable or do you like it because it feathers your own nest? You can be honest, we already know the answer.

The swans offered to opt out of the draft and only take players from their academy when the system was first introduced

 

[V9x18]

These academies are a very good idea and work well to bring in talent to our game. The issue I and many others have is not this area, but the fact that a select few clubs have these academies and are able to groom a player to be AFL ready before even drafting them. Heeney and Mills both have forged a spot in the senior side thanks to this development. Other clubs have no access to any players and cannot provide this development level. That to me makes it a very uneven playing field. If you develop an academy player I think you should be forced to sacrifice more on draft night to secure their services.

Isn't that exactly what happened? Our first pick after drafting Mills was 51

 

[Hobbes]

I think that, for the purposes of draft picks, the season should end after round 17. At least that way there's no reason for anybody to want to lose near the business end of the season.

 

[RUNVS]

Do you really think anybody other than Sydney fans care that Heeney and Mills wouldn't be playing footy? You keep talking about how great it is that all these kind are playing AFL but you are speaking through sheer bias and trying to defend the undefendable.

So please tell me, how many players in the AFL have come from Newcastle? Please, list them all.

 

[Colonial]

Oh look. More traditionalist bull.

All the benefits in the world and the northern clubs get academies so the sky is falling.

****ing hilarious.

 

[grouse mate]

Trained him since he was 12? He played the last 2 f*cken years with the Ballarat Rebels.

Part of being in the academy is getting nominated for scholarships which is probably the reason why he was at boarding school in Ballarat.

 

[Doggy Dan]

Part of being in the academy is getting nominated for scholarships which is probably the reason why he was at boarding school in Ballarat.

You guys trying to justify the absurdity of all this is becoming amusing.

 

[RUNVS]

You guys trying to justify the absurdity of all this is becoming amusing.

Could you answer my above question on how many players currently or even in the past have come from Newcastle in NSW?

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Trained him since he was 12? He played the last 2 f*cken years with the Ballarat Rebels.
.

Yep. He entered the academy at 12 (or 13) got coaching and development of the highest order before moving to vic to finish his schooling and play TAC cup (while continuing to do academy stuff during that time alongside his school and TAC cup duties)

Don't just look at the last two years of his development. Look at his entire body of junior work - most of which was academy based.

 

[Doggy Dan]

Oh look. More traditionalist bull.

All the benefits in the world and the northern clubs get academies so the sky is falling.

******* hilarious.

Quiet GG, the day you became a team-swapper is the day I ceased to listen to your tripe.

 

[Doggy Dan]

Yep. He entered the academy at 12 (or 13) got coaching and development of the highest order before moving to vic to finish his schooling and play TAC cup (while continuing to do academy stuff during that time alongside his school and TAC cup duties)

Don't just look at the last two years of his development. Look at his entire body of junior work - most of which was academy based.

Great way to grow the game in NSW mate, pull anyone decent out and send them to Victoria to play. Genius!

 

[Marc_Remillard]

You realise there are kids in the draft we eliminate during the interview process, because we know they won't stay, right?
Dunkley last year openly said he wanted to stay in Vic. So we lost a good f/s pick. Now maybe there were other reasons, but that would have been part of the clubs calculations.
Wingard famously said he didn't want to move interstate. Heard the same about Rioli. Marc Murphy turned down a f/s pick at the lions to stay in Vic.

We've never even had access the same same draft pool as the heartland states. We've just never had the Vic media presence to make every big footy nuffie concerned about the issue. After all, it was all the "franchise" clubs, so you guys don't give a ****. And now suddenly we get a draft advantage and you guys squeal like the pathetic little whinging squibs you are. Suck it up.

So which players did Sydney lose to the go home factor?
A lot of text there but you've successfully managed to dodge the question, apparently kids you haven't drafted yet are included

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Since the inception of the draft, before the academies, how many kids from NSW or QLD were drafted....
a) at all
b) in the first round
c) in the top ten

Even from the "football strong" Riverina?

This is now only a "problem" now that the academies are bearing fruit and producing more draft ready kids.

And to answer the OP, you have to look at the bigger picture and basically ignore the draft number.

The top ten prospects from Vic, SA & WA would have gone with picks 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
With the academy kids going to the northern clubs - those same 10 kids now go with picks 1,2,3,5,6,8,9,10,11,13

Yes, the team who finishes 9th doesn't get the "9th" pick, but they get the player who would have been available at 9 - we just now call it 11 - same kid, still available.

And we all know the draft number is not really important and plenty of champions come from late in the draft anyway.

It might look like a club is pushed down the order, but if all the players are still available they haven't really been pushed down at all. The same players are still on the board when it comes to their pick.

 

[RUNVS]

So which players did Sydney lose to the go home factor?
A lot of text there but you've successfully managed to dodge the question, apparently kids you haven't drafted yet are included

Notice you picked the 1 club out of 4 clubs that has not had recent go home factor problems. Why don't we talk about the other three?

 

[Colonial]

Quiet GG, the day you became a team-swapper is the day I ceased to listen to your tripe.

Really? Thats funny. I dont remember swapping teams. Giants are my 1st.

Funny you use the word tripe. Its what has been every post you have made in this thread so far.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Great way to grow the game in NSW mate, pull anyone decent out and send them to Victoria to play. Genius!

No, just some, and whatever works to improve their game and the quality of draftee. Why wouldn't you do what you can to help a kid improve.

 

[grouse mate]

Could you answer my above question on how many players currently or even in the past have come from Newcastle in NSW?

He cant. Hasnt offered any decent rebuttals in the entire thread. This is just a waste of time.

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Bottom clubs with poor lists that need to try get more draft picks can benefit greatly with trading for futures/academy picks with Northern Clubs (like Carlton did last season)

I think its a much improved system that will benefit all clubs, and god knows we need more QLD kids in the system for The Lions and Suns.

The AFL are trying to stop that

 

[RUNVS]

He cant. Hasnt offered any decent rebuttals in the entire thread. This is just a waste of time.

He can't because it isn't possible. He claims that Heeney would have made his way into the AFL system anyway but there is a tonne of evidence that suggest he wouldn't have since as far as I am aware no other player has ever been drafted from Newcastle, clearly showing there was next to no pathway setup for any young Aussie Rules player in Newcastle who wanted to get noticed by an AFL club to get drafted.