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[hutchy31]

I'm convinced people who complain about Naughton's goal kicking don't watch any other games.
All key forwards miss those. It's a league wide issue. Jamarra is far more a worry.

Well, I watch most games and while I agree there is a league-wide epidemic of poor goal kicking, Naughton is one of the worst at missing simple set shots when they need to be kicked.

Apart from maybe McKay, or Daniher on a bad day, I wouldn't think many KPFs would miss both of the two easier ones Naughton did yesterday - a simple set shot from maybe 25m straight in front where he only needed to allow a few metres for the wind, then probably an even easier snap from 20-25m out on the right side for him. Lobb's misses were poor too, but they weren't as easy as Naughton's.

He's had some better days this year and kicked a few I wouldn't expect him to, so maybe there is some general trend of improvement. But his misses yesterday just sucked the life out of me watching it, so god knows what it does to his teammates. It's so deflating when he goes up for a great mark, then just butchers the kick. That combined with our poor gameplan and efforts in stopping opposition transition from forward 50 makes it worse, and it can then result in a scoring shot to the opposition less than a minute later - rather than having the additional five points and back to centre - where we are normally pretty good at winning the ball.

JUH might be more of a worry, in that he looked to have a much better technique than Naughton yet has been found wanting this year. I have a feeling that his shots are typically harder than Naughton's, but I don't have data to back it up and at his conversion rate it's probably not an excuse. He is a couple of years younger and therefore maybe I/we will give him more of the benefit of the doubt, but I agree it has been a concern this year.

The main problem is that aside from a few players like Dickson, this has been a problem for years and it doesn't seem like much is done to rectify it (or what has been done hasn't worked).

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

JOD is gonna be a decent player. That’s one positive.

 

[hutchy31]

Our form line in the second half of the year has been nothing short of disastrous. 4-7 in our past 11 games with wins against:

North - Barely scraped over the line against a terrible team
Fremantle - Very average team, losing in the last quarter and won with a 10 minute purple patch
Essendon - In terrible form and are barely beating the worst teams in the comp
Richmond - In terrible form and have all but given up.

Yeah, it's atrocious.

You could argue that we should have beaten Sydney, GWS and potentially one or more of Geelong, Port and GC in that run - but ultimately we didn't.

We're a locked in 8-12 team and no better, and until we have some fundamental change in approach that's as good as it will get.

 

[Dog 36]

Our form line in the second half of the year has been nothing short of disastrous. 4-7 in our past 11 games with wins against:

North - Barely scraped over the line against a terrible team
Fremantle - Very average team, losing in the last quarter and won with a 10 minute purple patch
Essendon - In terrible form and are barely beating the worst teams in the comp
Richmond - In terrible form and have all but given up.

Speaks Volumes

 

[BEaston]

Issue is we are more likely to play finals than not given 2 games will decide whether we do or not providing we win next week.

Sydney v Melbourne round 24 if Sydney win we have to beat Geelong (although irrelevant if Sydney beat Adelaide this week)

Carlton v GWS round 24 if GWS win we have to beat Geelong.

We likely finish 8th and play Carlton round one of finals.

Based on an interview I heard from the president a couple of weeks ago I cannot see any review happening when they talked about a pass mark she discussed making the finals. If that’s the bar we have set then it’s accepting mediocrity. Also when asked about extending Beveridge she said about his past record, 1 premiership, 2 grand finals and only missing finals twice. But surely you have to look deeper than that and have to look at the bigger picture. Of those final series 2015, 2019, 2020 and 2022 we went in favourites or close to it and went out week one of finals. We have never finished top 4 and since 2021 we have been trending down not up.

I think our president isn’t focused on the club and isn’t having an honest look and doing an honest assessment.

Of course she's going to say that in a public forum. It means absolutely nothing as to what may or may not be happening behind closed doors.

 

[stefoid]

We have a few players with the yips - mental issues, like Greg Norman storming thru the entire course then falling apart on the last 2 holes

Its not a reason to send Naughton back. One day the goal kicking demons will fade for him, and he'll start slotting them.

 

[BEaston]

We have a few players with the yips - mental issues, like Greg Norman storming thru the entire course then falling apart on the last 2 holes

Its not a reason to send Naughton back. One day the goal kicking demons will fade for him, and he'll start slotting them.

Unlikely to change, his technique is horrendous.

Possible if he changes that but otherwise, he'll always be a bad kick.

 

[stefoid]

Unlikely to change, his technique is horrendous.

Possible if he changes that but otherwise, he'll always be a bad kick.

He'll probably never be a great kick, but Ill bet he slots them regualrly from 30-40 out at practice.

 

[Doggies_13]

Of course she's going to say that in a public forum. It means absolutely nothing as to what may or may not be happening behind closed doors.

That along with the decision to extend the contract by 2 years suggest that is her thinking behind closed doors.

You lose nothing by saying we feel we have recruited well since the 2021 grand final and believe we should be competing at the end of the season?

To say we want to make finals is a low bar.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Some more pathetic numbers...

296 disposals is our lowest team total since 2013 and just the second time in the 18-team era we had fewer than 300 disposals in a match (excluding 2020).

Just 7 F50 ground ball gets today, our lowest since 2015 (excluding 2020) and our second lowest in the 18-team era.

For all the pressure he brings, Arty Jones has just gotta find a way of doing a job to win more ball. I would think Scott comes straight back in for him as a small forward.

 

[Dazb86]

Naughton has been fine this year. Jamarra has had the mare in front of the sticks.

 

[Golden_6]

Unlikely to change, his technique is horrendous.

Possible if he changes that but otherwise, he'll always be a bad kick.

The stats suggest he isn’t actually a bad kick at goal at all. Does he miss a few sitters? Of course he does.

He’s kicked 40.29 for the year and I believe I saw last weekend his set shots were around 36.19 for the season. I know after round 16 he was above the league average.

 

[dogwatch]

It’s pretty s**t that we had to play Ballarat x2 + Canberra + Tasmania + Darwin this year.

It's our lot.

Collingwood played most of their games at the MCG.

Others were at Adelaide Oval (x3)
Docklands (x3)
Gabba
Metricon
Optus Oval

All high quality stadiums and most if not all with good enclosure. Not a regional or territorial game amongst them.
And Dog forbid they should have to play at KP.

Not blaming the Pies. It's the way the AFL works as a business, but it sure as hell isn't equalisation.

 

[Proffessor]

For all the pressure he brings, Arty Jones has just gotta find a way of doing a job to win more ball. I would think Scott comes straight back in for him as a small forward.

What pressure does Jones bring?

There were so many opportunities for him that were just left begging.

For all the hand wringing going on here about various aspects of other players’s performances, the obvious problems get over looked.

Jones was completely ineffectual, and not for the first time.

If we continue to choose to play 17 vs 18 style matches, reserving our last player spot for our latest work experience student project then we will continue to pay the penalty for such an approach.

 

[_Mike_]

It was a shockingly ineffectual individual performance in a close loss, and a shocking selection decision.

100% agree on that one & that Arty should not have been playing IMO

keep doing largely what we are doing, just be a bit smarter at the selection table and we'll be just fine.

Difficult to be smarter at the selection table when the same type of fringe/project players (Scott, Baker, McNiel etc) keep getting selected. The list does not have the depth IMO

 

[_Mike_]

JOD is gonna be a decent player. That’s one positive.

for the shit he was copping in his first few games, he's improved in great strides so far.

 

[Doggies_13]

for the s**t he was copping in his first few games, he's improved in great strides so far.

I think it was where he was being played in the first few games rather than him personally that people were annoyed with. Playing him as a forward for the first few games was peak Beveridge

 

[Foxman98]

for the s**t he was copping in his first few games, he's improved in great strides so far.

I've seen enough from him in the last 2 weeks to never want to see Keath or Gards again unless he or Jones is injured

 

[Doggy]

I've seen enough from him in the last 2 weeks to never want to see Keath or Gards again unless he or Jones is injured

Need a Jones replacement too

 

[Shacf501]

We have a few players with the yips - mental issues, like Greg Norman storming thru the entire course then falling apart on the last 2 holes

Its not a reason to send Naughton back. One day the goal kicking demons will fade for him, and he'll start slotting them.

yes i did that on saturday!! Bloody putters fault though...lol

 

[Libbaaaa]

When was our last quality win? Port 2021 prelim?

 

[The Inbetweener]

See above post you are factually incorrect on Naughton.

Second most reliable under the roof out of the talls and most reliable outside of Marvel.

For totality
Naughton 80 shots 40 goals 29 behinds 11 no scores, conversion % 50%
JUH 88 shots 33 goals 34 behinds 21 no scores conversion % 37.5%
Lobb 40 shots 18 goals 16 behinds 6 no scores conversion % 45%

Statistically JUH is an inferior goal kicker to Naughton.

Previous years I would agree Naughton constantly butchers opportunities this year he has improved. One game is clouding everyone’s mind atm.

OG has provided stats showing that his two misses yesterday were regarded at 70%+ Chance of conversion. Similarly he missed one at a 70%+ Chance v GWS. It’s not that he misses, it’s that he misses very easy ones that cost momentum.

 

[Doggies_13]

OG has provided stats showing that his two misses yesterday were regarded at 70%+ Chance of conversion. Similarly he missed one at a 70%+ Chance v GWS. It’s not that he misses, it’s that he misses very easy ones that cost momentum.

He has and did yesterday but same can be said about Bont on multiple occasions. It’s a club wide issue

 

[Nat Fyfe]

When was our last quality win? Port 2021 prelim?

Our wins last year against Pies and Melbourne were good. I also got great enjoyment from the Eagles win, although that was against witches hats.

 

[Proffessor]

100% agree on that one & that Arty should not have been playing IMO



Difficult to be smarter at the selection table when the same type of fringe/project players (Scott, Baker, McNiel etc) keep getting selected. The list does not have the depth IMO

It’s all a matter of opinion I guess regarding the list quality.

I think our list is generally in pretty good shape. Perhaps a few too many similar type players of similar standards in a few spots but given the complexities of list management, nothing insurmountable.

For example I think had we selected anyone of those fringe players ahead of Arty Jones on the weekend, we would have been ok. Recognising Scott wasn’t available, of course, but even if we had started Baker on the field we would have been in better shape.

Just a little less focus on future development and a little more on the here and now at selection, might be all it takes to turn some of our close losses into wins, and the ladder position could look a whole lot different.