Don Dale Centre videos on 4 corners: treatment of children in custody (Northern Territory)

[nicky]

Did anyone watch 4 corners last night? I missed it and am just watching a snippet from the repeat. Wow, what the fk?

Guards gassing kids with tear gas, laughing saying they're going to "pulverise the little fkrs" - etc.

It should be noted that the kids are aboriginal. I just can't believe this shit is still going on here.

Australia has some great things about it but my god it has elements of being the most backwater, redneck country in the developed world.

I'm appalled by the racist bogan mentality you see guarding aboriginal kids in custody and refugees.

 

[Mofra]

It's a different planet up north.
Two family members were jackaroos/station hands and some of the things they've said and seen done are atrocious.

 

[telsor]

Didn't see it, but something clearly related came up on my FB feed earlier, calling for a Royal Commission into it.

I pointed out that there is already a RC into institutional responses to child abuse, and even though the media tends to only mention it when the Catholic church is involved, it's terms of reference extend far further.


As for the 'Australia is such an international embarrassment' comment...While we're far from perfect, we'd be in the top few in most measures for racism and/or treating those less fortunate. People who think otherwise really need to get out more.

 

[nicky]

As for the 'Australia is such an international embarrassment' comment...While we're far from perfect, we'd be in the top few in most measures for racism and/or treating those less fortunate. People who think otherwise really need to get out more.

No chance! Only have to look at how we lock refugees up and treat aboriginal minors in detention, to know that is simply not true.

 

[telsor]

No chance! Only have to look at how we lock refugees up and treat aboriginal minors in detention, to know that is simply not true.

You really have no idea how the rest of the world works, do you.

On refugees alone, consider two points.

1) We take far more, per capita, than almost any other country, and even the relatively few who are 'locked up' are still treated a hell of a lot better than 99% of the worlds refugees.
2) If the rest of the world is so nice, why are there so many refugees to start with?

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

Had a look at some of the footage on theage.com.au. I was reminded of Abu Ghraib. What a disgrace.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

What a disgrace, cannot fathom the actions of those involved nor the response of their employer (it's a "lack of training" or worse, defending the actions and the reporting as "one-sided" and "shallow").

Reminds me of this George Carlin quote

And speaking of tough guys, I’m getting a little tired of hearing that after 6 policemen get arrested for shoving a floor lamp up some black guy’s ass and ripping his intestines out, the police department announces they’re gonna have sensitivity training. I say “hey, if you need special training to be told not to jam a large cumbersome object up someone else’s arseh*le, maybe you’re too fvcked up to be on the police force in the first place huh?” Maybe, maybe not, I don’t know, listen... you know what they ought to do? They ought to have two new requirements for being on the police; intelligence and decency! You never can tell, it might just work; it certainly hasn’t been tried yet.

 

[telsor]

As an aside (but still related to racism). It seems monkeys are 'racist'.

http://www.iflscience.com/plants-an...oot-racist-behavior-found-old-world-primates/

Their hypothesis was essentially that hatred and aggression towards different groups of primates strengthened the bonds between the individuals within their own clans. Stronger bonds could be observed by behaviors such as increased resource sharing and an uptick in grooming. After a painstaking analysis, the team concluded that there is indeed a correlation, just like in groups of humans.

“Parochialism – or being ‘prosocial’ towards a member of your own group while being aggressive towards other groups – is an interesting trait from an evolutionary perspective because it lies at the heart of racism and out-group discrimination in humans,”

 

[coerced]

The corrections system is designed to be dehumanising, unless you fundamentally change it (ie abolish it) it is always going to lead to these situations, especially in places you will struggle to find quality people to work as guards, officers etc.

The question should be about whether even locking up offending juveniles is effective.

 

[Ruck Machine]

Little ****ers must be really violent to have to be restrained like that!

 

[little graham]

Did anyone watch 4 corners last night? I missed it and am just watching a snippet from the repeat. Wow, what the fk?

Guards gassing kids with tear gas, laughing saying they're going to "pulverise the little fkrs" - etc.

It should be noted that the kids are aboriginal. I just can't believe this shit is still going on here.

Australia has some great things about it but my god it has elements of being the most backwater, redneck country in the developed world.

I'm appalled by the racist bogan mentality you see guarding aboriginal kids in custody and refugees.

Absolutely no difference to what went on in Abu gharib or Guantanamo bay.

 

[little graham]

.While we're far from perfect, we'd be in the top few in most measures for racism and/or treating those less fortunate. People who think otherwise really need to get out more.

You need to provide evidence of your claim.

 

[little graham]

At a press conference today, NT Chief Minister Adam Giles announced he had taken over the portfolios of Corrections and Justice from Mr Elferink."Can I start by saying that anybody who saw that footage on television last night on Four Corners would undoubtedly describe it as horrific footage. I sat and watched the footage and recognised horror through my eyes," Mr Giles said

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...ferink-sacked-after-4-corners-outrage/7661086

The lying has begun. All the footage was from gov cameras. What went has been known and has been covered up. Even the feds knew.

 

[pazza]

Applaud the quick action by Turnbull here - he's actually done something right for once go figure.

 

[nicky]

Absolutely no difference to what went on in Abu gharib or Guantanamo bay.

There is a difference. It's happening here to CHILDREN! Essentially in our name.

 

[Chief]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-...ferink-sacked-after-4-corners-outrage/7661086

The lying has begun. All the footage was from gov cameras. What went has been known and has been covered up. Even the feds knew.

Mr Giles said Mr Elferink would retain his other portfolios, including Health, Children and Families and Mental Health.​

Good God.

 

[coerced]

Applaud the quick action by Turnbull here - he's actually done something right for once go figure.

Royal Commission will achieve nothing.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

As an aside (but still related to racism). It seems monkeys are 'racist'.

http://www.iflscience.com/plants-an...oot-racist-behavior-found-old-world-primates/

So racists behave on the same level as un-evolved primates? We already knew that.

 

[little graham]

There is a difference. It's happening here to CHILDREN! Essentially in our name.

It was happening to children there and it was in our name as well. We were a a major part of the illegal invasion.

And nicky, if you've got to know an indigenous person whose been incarcerated by white mans justice system, they are not criminals. They are resisting genocide.

 

[nicky]

It was happening to children there and it was in our name as well. We were a a major part of the illegal invasion.

And nicky, if you've got to know an indigenous person whose been incarcerated by white mans justice system, they are not criminals. They are resisting genocide.

What's with the condescending "and nicky" tone.... I know what the incarceration is about, I've never said they're criminals.

 

[little graham]

What's with the condescending "and nicky" tone...

My apologies for coming across that way.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Didn't see it, but something clearly related came up on my FB feed earlier, calling for a Royal Commission into it.

I pointed out that there is already a RC into institutional responses to child abuse, and even though the media tends to only mention it when the Catholic church is involved, it's terms of reference extend far further.

This is a good point. I find it very odd that there needs to be a Royal Commission into what we currently know, seeing as it is one place and there is so much evidence on hand already - enough surely for a regular trial to take place surely? Is it rumoured that this is widespread? Obviously the justice system is very harsh on indigenous, so will this RC cover all that? Even Tim Wilson has come out and said it should be far wider than just juveniles.

I'm suss on Malcolm calling a Royal Commission so quickly - is there a reason anyone knows? Maybe to do with the NT being Federal jurisdiction?

 

[little graham]

I'm suss on Malcolm calling a Royal Commission so quickly - is there a reason anyone knows? Maybe to do with the NT being Federal jurisdiction?

To control the media cycle. Right now when everyones attention is on it, he's seen to be doing something about it. Yet he knows and always has, what is going on and relies on the publics ignorance.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

To control the media cycle. Right now when everyones attention is on it, he's seen to be doing something about it. Yet he knows and always has, what is going on and relies on the public ignorance.

I agree that the fact there is compelling vision will have forced them to act, despite this info apparently having been made available previously. But we've already had a RC into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody 25 years ago and nothing changed. There's all the info from all the many, many reports and committees too (like the lead-up to the Intervention, as comprimised as that may have been, or the Stolen Generations reports).

A RC is about collecting information and if we don't have information on Govt detention systems already then what on earth have we been doing?

To call a RC into this centre seems odd. A RC into the whole prison system seems more Royal Commissiony to me. Info from that could feed into what we already know with indigenous incarceration. Juvey is meant to be different to prison, but most detention tends to mean 'further education in crime', right?

EDIT: In the lead up to the NT election there has already been a call for 6 things from a coalition of social services and community and legal organisation:

• an Aboriginal justice agreement
• specialist and therapeutic courts
• improved rehabilitation and reintegration services
• a reduction in youth incarceration
• the abolition of mandatory sentencing
• a comprehension plan to deal with alcohol

We have heapd of info and desire for action, already. Turnbull seems to be using a Royal Commission as a way to have another committee without it sounding like he's setting up another committee.

 

[little graham]

. But we've already had a RC into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody 25 years ago and nothing changed. There's all the info from all the many, many reports and committees too (like the lead-up to the Intervention, as comprimised as that may have been, or the Stolen Generations reports).

A RC is about collecting information and if we don't have information on Govt detention systems already then what on earth have we been doing?

To call a RC into this centre seems odd. A RC into the whole prison system seems more Royal Commissiony to me. Info from that could feed into what we already know with indigenous incarceration. Juvey is meant to be different to prison, but most detention tends to mean 'further education in crime', right?

There's lots of shit, just look at the treatment of Bennelong? This is all a circus to me. this is all bringing up painful memories to all those from vulnerable groups abused by our justice system.

Have you read stuff like this, there's so much shit on it. the copper involved, was a south African immigrant. A known alcoholic.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/IndigLawB/2001/71.html

Significantly for the appellant, the tape recorder also recorded the appellant’s three separate requests for medical treatment. The appellant complained of breathing difficulties because of the effects of capsicum spray and a reoccurrence of a prior medical condition of asthma. There was also evidence that the appellant had requested legal representation that was not provided.

A few years ago, this victim was in the final throws of cancer and the same police station harassed him to the end.