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carlton2dabone said:
EFC people complaining about how much time this investigation is taking is ridiculous, especially considering EFC people claim that they are innocent. We are innocent, and will be cleared. While the bumbling fools at ASADA continue to drag their feet in an effort to delay exposure of their incompetence, the good name of the EFC is being dragged through the mud in the media and undue stress is being placed on our players.

ASADA is not inconveniencing EFC in any way, ASADA are not asking for any EFC personnel to come in for interviews anymore, ASADA are not sniffing around EFC headquarters anymore, ASADA are not making EFC life hell, ASADA are not compelling EFC to do anything anymore.
Wow. Inconveniencing someone can entail a lot more than physically impeding them. Have a think about why the constant negative media, false public perception resulting from said media and future uncertainty may be an "inconvenience" to the players. While our exoneration is a simple matter of time, anyone faced with the barrage of public misinformation that our people have endured would experience some adverse impact on their life, and would consider themselves "inconvenienced". The ongoing speculation that is the source of players' concerns is a direct result of ASADA's inability to perform their core function in a timely manner and to an acceptable standard.

ASADA have a certain amount of time to bring a case against any athlete/s, they can spend 90% of that time just hanging out in their offices deciding whether to charge an athlete or not as long as they make a decision before the statute of limitations expires. You forget to mention having a thumb up their arse. ASADA have plenty of time, you're correct. But their professionalism and efficacy are already being called into question due to longer than reasonable or expected delays in ours and several other cases. Just because they have the time allocated, doesn't necessarily make it a good idea for them to utilise it. This is their grand final, the big show in front of a nation wide audience, they're struggling and they know it.

Look, ASADA are not affecting EFC in any way, they have collected all the evidence they were able to collect, and they have left EFC alone for the last year without making any public comments, its not ASADA's fault that EFC are stressed because they want a conclusion to the saga. Should read "No official comment". ASADA have leaked information and in typical bumbling public servant style, committed offences against their very own legislation in doing so. It is ASADA's fault that EFC are concerned at the length of the investigation. They are unable to bring it to a conclusion due to overwhelming incompetence. It took 16 months to have witnesses sign affidavits for goodness sake. What on earth have they been doing aside staring at the wall with thumb in bum?

If a suspect in a criminal act is being investigated by the cops, and they don't personally inconvenience him for a year, instead they choose take a long time to deliberate over evidence collected, would anyone seriously suggest that the cops be forced to charge him or exonerate him. As long as they cops make a decision before the statute of limitations expires and also make sure to not physically inconvenience the suspect, then the cops are free to take as much time as they want to look over the evidence collected. Those cops will look incompetent if they cannot establish a case in a timely manner. Their is only so much information to be gained, time simply passing by will not produce more evidence. It is more likely to bring in to question validity of statements made relating to events that occurred years prior.


Also, if EFC claim they are innocent and ASADA hasn't personally inconvenienced them for over an year, then what are they complaining about? Why don't they just sit back whilst not being personally inconvenienced and wait for the opportunity to defend themselves if they are ever charged. Afterall someone who believes they are truly innocent and can prove that they never injected banned substances has nothing to worry about, because a person that honestly believes they are innocent would be able to tell ASADA exactly what they injected, no?
You're really keen on the inconvenience angle aren't you? Yet you're so far off the mark it's astounding. The kangaroo court nature of ASADA and the trial by media are a hindrance to the players and the club as whole. We've been wronged by the AFL, ASADA and the media. The public are too stupid to think for themselves and therefore can't be blamed for believing sensationalist media reporting.

We will be cleared and order will be restored at some stage. I'm already planning a "sorry" thread for the HTB, where our accusers can congregate and apologise for the despicable, unfair and un-australian treatment we have endured. The thread should assist us in healing together as a football community. Perhaps in time the EFC can forgive the accusations and gross stupidity of the mob. It will be a long road to recovery, but I think we'll be willing to forgive. We are a charitable and lovely bunch.
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IggypopsTshirt said:
We are innocent, and will be cleared. While the bumbling fools at ASADA continue to drag their feet in an effort to delay exposure of their incompetence, the good name of the EFC is being dragged through the mud in the media and undue stress is being placed on our players.
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hows the weekend iggy - keeping busy ?
keep restoring that good name yeah :rolleyes:
 
vjknight said:
hows the weekend iggy - keeping busy ?
keep restoring that good name yeah :rolleyes:
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I'm supposed to be writing an assignment. Surprisingly trawling through the knee deep stupidity of the HTB is less painful. I look forward to seeing you in my reconciliation thread acknowledging the wrongs inflicted on EFC and it's people.
 
IggypopsTshirt said:
I'm supposed to be writing an assignment. Surprisingly trawling through the knee deep stupidity of the HTB is less painful. I look forward to seeing you in my reconciliation thread acknowledging the wrongs inflicted on EFC and it's people.
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i guarantee you there is no time for reconciliation.

nuremburg type trials for your board first.
 
I haven't taken sides on this debate simply because of the conflicting information that continues to present itself. Just when you think Essendon may be in trouble, you hear something that indicates to the contrary. And just when you think Essendon may come out of this okay, you hear something that suggests they're in real strife.

I'm a "put up or shut up" kind of person. I don't concern myself with a lot of speculation. I prefer to know the facts, and even after all this time, nobody seems to have a freaking clue what the "facts" are. I have been waiting for someone to come out and say or do something, anything, to put this issue to rest, one way or the other.

I have contacts within the Essendon club in various capacities, and not one of them is able to tell me what is going on, nor are they able to look me in the eye and tell me their club is in the clear, and this is of concern to me, not because I care about the welfare of the Essendon FC, but because I care for the welfare and integrity of the game.

One question I do have is this. At various stages we have seen James Hird threaten legal action, we've heard Paul Little threaten legal action, now we are hearing the players threatening legal action. I have learnt Essendon are very good at threatening legal action, but not so good at following through on these threats.

When you consider the extent of Essendon bashing, the potential damage to their brand, the accusations of cheating being leveled at them by the media and other sectors of the football community, as well as the implication that their team is underperforming because of the stresses placed upon the players, if Essendon were as 100% convinced of their innocence as they tell us, wouldn't legal action be an appropriate avenue for them to pursue?

If so, shouldn't they be walking the walk rather than just talking the talk?

I want this over with. Either ASADA or Essendon have to either "put up or shut up". I couldn't give a rat's toss bag if Essendon are guilty or not, I am just so bloody sick and tired of hearing about it.
 
IggypopsTshirt said:
I'm supposed to be writing an assignment. Surprisingly trawling through the knee deep stupidity of the HTB is less painful. I look forward to seeing you in my reconciliation thread acknowledging the wrongs inflicted on EFC and it's people.
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I notice you write EFC and people.
What about your players?
What will you do if they are found guilty. Will you direct your anger and derision at the architects of the whole shameful saga?
Or will you take aim at the posters who commented on it?
 
tigerwill said:
I notice you write EFC and people.
What about your players?
What will you do if they are found guilty. Will you direct your anger and derision at the architects of the whole shameful saga?
Or will you take aim at the posters who commented on it?
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I would have thought it was pretty clear that the players are EFC people.
We won't be found guilty, so I don't need to direct anger anywhere aside from the HTB. But as I've stated I'm committed to reconciliation and acceptance of the apologies from our detractors once this is wrapped up. May genuine remorse and shame cleanse the angry mob that were so very keen to damage the lives and careers of innocent men of integrity and their families.
 
IggypopsTshirt said:
I'm supposed to be writing an assignment. Surprisingly trawling through the knee deep stupidity of the HTB is less painful. I look forward to seeing you in my reconciliation thread acknowledging the wrongs inflicted on EFC and it's people.
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Assignment. You having your fifth go at year 9?
 
EFC people complaining about how much time this investigation is taking is ridiculous, especially considering EFC people claim that they are innocent. We are innocent, and will be cleared. While the bumbling fools at ASADA continue to drag their feet in an effort to delay exposure of their incompetence, the good name of the EFC is being dragged through the mud in the media and undue stress is being placed on our players.

ASADA is not inconveniencing EFC in any way, ASADA are not asking for any EFC personnel to come in for interviews anymore, ASADA are not sniffing around EFC headquarters anymore, ASADA are not making EFC life hell, ASADA are not compelling EFC to do anything anymore.
Wow. Inconveniencing someone can entail a lot more than physically impeding them. Have a think about why the constant negative media, false public perception resulting from said media and future uncertainty may be an "inconvenience" to the players. While our exoneration is a simple matter of time, anyone faced with the barrage of public misinformation that our people have endured would experience some adverse impact on their life, and would consider themselves "inconvenienced". The ongoing speculation that is the source of players' concerns is a direct result of ASADA's inability to perform their core function in a timely manner and to an acceptable standard.

ASADA have a certain amount of time to bring a case against any athlete/s, they can spend 90% of that time just hanging out in their offices deciding whether to charge an athlete or not as long as they make a decision before the statute of limitations expires. You forget to mention having a thumb up their arse. ASADA have plenty of time, you're correct. But their professionalism and efficacy are already being called into question due to longer than reasonable or expected delays in ours and several other cases. Just because they have the time allocated, doesn't necessarily make it a good idea for them to utilise it. This is their grand final, the big show in front of a nation wide audience, they're struggling and they know it.

Look, ASADA are not affecting EFC in any way, they have collected all the evidence they were able to collect, and they have left EFC alone for the last year without making any public comments, its not ASADA's fault that EFC are stressed because they want a conclusion to the saga. Should read "No official comment". ASADA have leaked information and in typical bumbling public servant style, committed offences against their very own legislation in doing so. It is ASADA's fault that EFC are concerned at the length of the investigation. They are unable to bring it to a conclusion due to overwhelming incompetence. It took 16 months to have witnesses sign affidavits for goodness sake. What on earth have they been doing aside staring at the wall with thumb in bum?

If a suspect in a criminal act is being investigated by the cops, and they don't personally inconvenience him for a year, instead they choose take a long time to deliberate over evidence collected, would anyone seriously suggest that the cops be forced to charge him or exonerate him. As long as they cops make a decision before the statute of limitations expires and also make sure to not physically inconvenience the suspect, then the cops are free to take as much time as they want to look over the evidence collected. Those cops will look incompetent if they cannot establish a case in a timely manner. Their is only so much information to be gained, time simply passing by will not produce more evidence. It is more likely to bring in to question validity of statements made relating to events that occurred years prior.


Also, if EFC claim they are innocent and ASADA hasn't personally inconvenienced them for over an year, then what are they complaining about? Why don't they just sit back whilst not being personally inconvenienced and wait for the opportunity to defend themselves if they are ever charged. Afterall someone who believes they are truly innocent and can prove that they never injected banned substances has nothing to worry about, because a person that honestly believes they are innocent would be able to tell ASADA exactly what they injected, no?
You're really keen on the inconvenience angle aren't you? Yet you're so far off the mark it's astounding. The kangaroo court nature of ASADA and the trial by media are a hindrance to the players and the club as whole. We've been wronged by the AFL, ASADA and the media. The public are too stupid to think for themselves and therefore can't be blamed for believing sensationalist media reporting.

We will be cleared and order will be restored at some stage. I'm already planning a "sorry" thread for the HTB, where our accusers can congregate and apologise for the despicable, unfair and un-australian treatment we have endured. The thread should assist us in healing together as a football community. Perhaps in time the EFC can forgive the accusations and gross stupidity of the mob. It will be a long road to recovery, but I think we'll be willing to forgive. We are a charitable and lovely bunch.




 

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The thing that not many posters on here understnad is why if Essendon is innocent as they have been crying for 2 years now, the EFC hasn't just come out and said here is the proof we have done nothing wrong, instead all we have gotten for 2 years is lies, innenduo, more lies, half truths, PR spin, threats and more threats.

It is clear to anyone with half a brain that if you are innocent, you would just come out with all the paper work and just put all your cards on the table and say here have a look at this and this, we are innocent and this whole thing would have been closed within 6 months.

Instead we have EFC just trying so hard to muddy the waters they are coufusing themselves, I guess when you lie so much it's hard to keep track of all the lies and shit you have spread around.
 
Paul Little blew any credibility Essendon may have had with his initial comment that the Teams had no confidence in the AFL...
he was put in his place quick smart...
the threats of legal action from Hird, EFC and the players is pure crap otherwise it would have happened...

the lack of real concern for their members and supporters makes me sick...
the time is coming for Essendon and in particular James Hird...the real reason he is in France is that he and Tania just wouldn't be able to shut up...thereby blowing any empathy from the general public

I don't hate Essendon the club...but I'm sure well and truly over the clowns that put them in this 'good place'
 
IggypopsTshirt said:
I would have thought it was pretty clear that the players are EFC people.
We won't be found guilty, so I don't need to direct anger anywhere aside from the HTB. But as I've stated I'm committed to reconciliation and acceptance of the apologies from our detractors once this is wrapped up. May genuine remorse and shame cleanse the angry mob that were so very keen to damage the lives and careers of innocent men of integrity and their families.
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will apologise a 1,000 times if wrong iggs.
but i walk around with a clear mind,knowing ive done nothing wrong.
i would imagine any bomber player who is innocent would feel very comfortable in the fact he is innocent.
matter of fact,in the changerooms after games there is a mile of press people willing to talk "off the record"
im sure all of them would be quite happy to listen to any player coming over and stating "mate ive done nothing wrong and im innocent".
matter of fact the press gang would lap it up and show respect to these comments.
No iggs you dont have a care in the world when your innocent.
 
van peebles said:
will apologise a 1,000 times if wrong iggs.
but i walk around with a clear mind,knowing ive done nothing wrong.
i would imagine any bomber player who is innocent would feel very comfortable in the fact he is innocent.
matter of fact,in the changerooms after games there is a mile of press people willing to talk "off the record"
im sure all of them would be quite happy to listen to any player coming over and stating "mate ive done nothing wrong and im innocent".
matter of fact the press gang would lap it up and show respect to these comments.
No iggs you dont have a care in the world when your innocent.
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What do you think they are saying? I can tell you the line from the boys is "Almost nothing has changed since day 1. We're satisfied that we'll be fine. While the media pumps up and twists every development, nothing has actually changed since very early on for the players. It's a matter of time until the course of the investigation is run, and she'll be apples".
 
IggypopsTshirt said:
I would have thought it was pretty clear that the players are EFC people.
We won't be found guilty, so I don't need to direct anger anywhere aside from the HTB. But as I've stated I'm committed to reconciliation and acceptance of the apologies from our detractors once this is wrapped up. May genuine remorse and shame cleanse the angry mob that were so very keen to damage the lives and careers of innocent men of integrity and their families.
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I'd narrow it down to Carlton, Hawthorn or North Melbourne, but you are one sick bugaboo. Nice work.
 
Tiger_man322 said:
EFC people complaining about how much time this investigation is taking is ridiculous, especially considering EFC people claim that they are innocent. We are innocent, and will be cleared. While the bumbling fools at ASADA continue to drag their feet in an effort to delay exposure of their incompetence, the good name of the EFC is being dragged through the mud in the media and undue stress is being placed on our players.

ASADA is not inconveniencing EFC in any way, ASADA are not asking for any EFC personnel to come in for interviews anymore, ASADA are not sniffing around EFC headquarters anymore, ASADA are not making EFC life hell, ASADA are not compelling EFC to do anything anymore.
Wow. Inconveniencing someone can entail a lot more than physically impeding them. Have a think about why the constant negative media, false public perception resulting from said media and future uncertainty may be an "inconvenience" to the players. While our exoneration is a simple matter of time, anyone faced with the barrage of public misinformation that our people have endured would experience some adverse impact on their life, and would consider themselves "inconvenienced". The ongoing speculation that is the source of players' concerns is a direct result of ASADA's inability to perform their core function in a timely manner and to an acceptable standard.

ASADA have a certain amount of time to bring a case against any athlete/s, they can spend 90% of that time just hanging out in their offices deciding whether to charge an athlete or not as long as they make a decision before the statute of limitations expires. You forget to mention having a thumb up their arse. ASADA have plenty of time, you're correct. But their professionalism and efficacy are already being called into question due to longer than reasonable or expected delays in ours and several other cases. Just because they have the time allocated, doesn't necessarily make it a good idea for them to utilise it. This is their grand final, the big show in front of a nation wide audience, they're struggling and they know it.

Look, ASADA are not affecting EFC in any way, they have collected all the evidence they were able to collect, and they have left EFC alone for the last year without making any public comments, its not ASADA's fault that EFC are stressed because they want a conclusion to the saga. Should read "No official comment". ASADA have leaked information and in typical bumbling public servant style, committed offences against their very own legislation in doing so. It is ASADA's fault that EFC are concerned at the length of the investigation. They are unable to bring it to a conclusion due to overwhelming incompetence. It took 16 months to have witnesses sign affidavits for goodness sake. What on earth have they been doing aside staring at the wall with thumb in bum?

If a suspect in a criminal act is being investigated by the cops, and they don't personally inconvenience him for a year, instead they choose take a long time to deliberate over evidence collected, would anyone seriously suggest that the cops be forced to charge him or exonerate him. As long as they cops make a decision before the statute of limitations expires and also make sure to not physically inconvenience the suspect, then the cops are free to take as much time as they want to look over the evidence collected. Those cops will look incompetent if they cannot establish a case in a timely manner. Their is only so much information to be gained, time simply passing by will not produce more evidence. It is more likely to bring in to question validity of statements made relating to events that occurred years prior.


Also, if EFC claim they are innocent and ASADA hasn't personally inconvenienced them for over an year, then what are they complaining about? Why don't they just sit back whilst not being personally inconvenienced and wait for the opportunity to defend themselves if they are ever charged. Afterall someone who believes they are truly innocent and can prove that they never injected banned substances has nothing to worry about, because a person that honestly believes they are innocent would be able to tell ASADA exactly what they injected, no?
You're really keen on the inconvenience angle aren't you? Yet you're so far off the mark it's astounding. The kangaroo court nature of ASADA and the trial by media are a hindrance to the players and the club as whole. We've been wronged by the AFL, ASADA and the media. The public are too stupid to think for themselves and therefore can't be blamed for believing sensationalist media reporting.

We will be cleared and order will be restored at some stage. I'm already planning a "sorry" thread for the HTB, where our accusers can congregate and apologise for the despicable, unfair and un-australian treatment we have endured. The thread should assist us in healing together as a football community. Perhaps in time the EFC can forgive the accusations and gross stupidity of the mob. It will be a long road to recovery, but I think we'll be willing to forgive. We are a charitable and lovely bunch.
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If you are absolutely sure that EFC are innocent, would you care to list every substance injected into your players?

Better yet, get your club to tell ASADA exactly what was administered and be rid once and for all from this investigation.


Oh, what was that, your club claims to not know 100% what was administered. I see the problem here, EFC and supporters like you want everyone (including ASADA) to suspend their logical thinking by accepting your innocent claim simply because you cant tell anyone everything that was administered.

Once your club can come out and specify everything that was administered and have proof to back up their claims, then and only then would your claims of innocence be justified.

As a side note, why doesn't your club take legal action against Dank to force him to divulge everything that he administered?


I have dealt with people like you before, no matter how many times someone points out your errors and wishful thinking, guys/girls like you just logic and prefer to believe in your own wishful thinking.
So no point is discussing grown up issues with people like you, ciao.
 

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