Dons players could launch legal action to end investigation

[Lance Uppercut]

If you haven't admitted that Lance I apologise for misinterpreting a post of yours

I've said it a fair few times. You're dead right that I was talking about the simplistic view of the burden of proof required

 

[TheGodDelusion]

Oh really?

Let me lay it out for you:


Players being injected with thymosin is not even a point of contention.

We have consent forms listing injections of thymosin that are signed by the players, we have texts between Dank and Hird talking about injecting players with thymosin and we have most important of all, player admissions that they were injected with thymosin.


The point of contention is whether it was the good thymosin or the bad thymosin.
Now lets way up the corroborating evidence supporting each of the kind of thymosin being used.

Bad Thymosin.

1) Orders, invoices and delivery to the club (meaning a chain of supply making its way to the club)


Good Thymosin

1) No evidence that this kind was ever ordered, paid for and delivered to club premises.


Now, you being such a 'educated lawyer', please tell us which version of events would pass the 'balance of probabilities' threshold?

Pity that doesn't actually exist outside of your imagination. The only Thymosin invoice paid for by the club refers to "Thymosin peptide", not TB4.

 

[Armchair Critic]

The scary thing is that people believe an argument like Good Thymosin and Bad Thymosin is a valid argument in court to begin with

 

[Duckworth]

The scary thing is that people believe an argument like Good Thymosin and Bad Thymosin is a valid argument in court to begin with

Well the 'Good Thymosin, Bad Thymosin' argument is that Dank confirmed with at least one player that he was administering the legal kind of thymosin. I think a court might be interested in that.

 

[I Rock]

Well the 'Good Thymosin, Bad Thymosin' argument is that Dank confirmed with at least one player that he was administering the legal kind of thymosin. I think a court might be interested in that.

Dank also in an interview stated on several occasions he was using the "bad" Thymosin. I think ASADA might be very interested in that.

 

[Duckworth]

Dank also in an interview stated on several occasions he was using the "bad" Thymosin. I think ASADA might be very interested in that.

I expect they would. Perhaps they should pretend to be jouralists or host a local football function - that way they might even be able to drag an interview out of him.

 

[I Rock]

I expect they would. Perhaps they should pretend to be jouralists or host a local football function - that way they might even be able to drag an interview out of him.

If only they had other ways to hand show causes to people without them being interviewed.......

 

[Jimthegreat]

Well the 'Good Thymosin, Bad Thymosin' argument is that Dank confirmed with at least one player that he was administering the legal kind of thymosin. I think a court might be interested in that.

A court would be interested in this too as was ASADA.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html

Maybe it was the good thymosin in Danks eyes only for different reasons. You know the kind..."the good stuff"..lol.

 

[Duckworth]

If only they had other ways to hand show causes to people without them being interviewed.......

IF show causes are issued to players, you can bet the conversation Dank had with that player about the legal kind of Thymosin being admisistered would come up.

 

[I Rock]

IF show causes are issued to players, you can bet the conversation Dank had with that player about the legal kind of Thymosin being admisistered would come up.

Possibly. Maybe that will come out when the efc takes Dank to court for all the nasty trouble he has caused them.....wait what?

 

[Duckworth]

A court would be interested in this too as was ASADA.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-science-of-stephen-dank-20130823-2shhd.html

Maybe it was the good thymosin in Danks eyes only for different reasons. You know the kind..."the good stuff"..lol.

I had thought that as well, Watson was left with the impression, however, that he was given the legal kind.

ESSENDON captain Jobe Watson told the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority he was injected with a legal form of thymosin by sports scientist Stephen Dank and not a banned peptide of the same name. Watson, the only Essendon player to publicly admit to receiving injections of the contentious peptide AOD9604, told ASADA investigators that Dank explained to him there was "good" thymosin and "bad" thymosin. He said that Dank injected him with "good" thymosin, which he had understood to be Thymomodulin.

 

[Duckworth]

Possibly. Maybe that will come out when the efc takes Dank to court for all the nasty trouble he has caused them.....wait what?

It will come verbatim from player interviews. Remember all those interviews?

 

[I Rock]

It will come verbatim from player interviews. Remember all those interviews?

Interviews. Forget Asada for a minute. Dank has decieved, defrauded and put lives and careers at risk. Essendon must take action. ..wait what?

 

[vjknight]

I had thought that as well, Watson was left with the impression, however, that he was given the legal kind.

but wasnt jobe also under the impression, or believed, to have received AOD - but the argument for a long time was 'is that what he got' ?

 

[broden]

It will come verbatim from player interviews. Remember all those interviews?

Maybe what will come out is why fit healthy footballers were administered a substance that is prescribed by doctors to patients that have AIDS (ie the "good" thymosin)

 

[Duckworth]

Maybe what will come out is why fit healthy footballers were administered a substance that is prescribed by doctors to patients that have AIDS (ie the "good" thymosin)

'Good Thymosin' refers to 'Thymomodulin'.

 

[Duckworth]

but wasnt jobe also under the impression, or believed, to have received AOD - but the argument for a long time was 'is that what he got' ?

That was a discussion on semantics.

 

[I Rock]

'Good Thymosin' refers to 'Thymomodulin'.

Of course it does.

 

[Duckworth]

Of course it does.

.

He said that Dank injected him with "good" thymosin, which he had understood to be Thymomodulin. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...atsons-evidence/story-fnca0u4y-1226790856749#

 

[I Rock]

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Well that article settles it then good work cracking the case; your invitation to join the Hardy Boys is in the post.

 

[Duckworth]

Well that article settles it then good work cracking the case; your invitation to join the Hardy Boys is in the post.

Does someone need a hug?

 

[I Rock]

Does someone need a hug?

No thanks P.I.

 

[carlton2dabone]

Pity that doesn't actually exist outside of your imagination. The only Thymosin invoice paid for by the club refers to "Thymosin peptide", not TB4.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/essendon-in-doctor-shopping-to-beat-ban-20130722-2qf3x.html

"Mr Alavi was supplying peptides Thymosin Beta 4 and Hexarelin, both banned by WADA because of their performance-enhancing effects, to former Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank. Essendon Football Club invoices suggest both substances were supplied to the club. Mr Dank has strenuously denied giving players anything illegal or harmful."



Wanna try that again?

 

[Power Raid]

Regardless of the findings, penalties or otherwise, the players caught up in this investigation would love this concluded.

I think you can see essendon is not the team it should be, which probably reflects the distraction. I really hope the decision is, move on nothing to see but feel that is very unlikely. Instead I fear, 4 players will be given time off and those 29 or above may not return to the field.

If that is the case, the can of worms then opens for management, the club, the coaches etc etc. Law suit galore!

Let's see what happens and I feel we will have to wait until June for the decision.

 

[Satan]

Regardless of the findings, penalties or otherwise, the players caught up in this investigation would love this concluded.

I think you can see essendon is not the team it should be, which probably reflects the distraction. I really hope the decision is, move on nothing to see but feel that is very unlikely. Instead I fear, 4 players will be given time off and those 29 or above may not return to the field.

If that is the case, the can of worms then opens for management, the club, the coaches etc etc. Law suit galore!

Let's see what happens and I feel we will have to wait until June for the decision.

june 2014, 2015....