DT 2011 Backs Thread

[Docker Dolph]

I'm considering Brendan Whitecross as a mid-pricer in my backline. Third year rule applies, plus Clarkson likes him and he seems to have a HFF role pegged for him. At the moment it's him or Suban, who I'm not fond of at all.

I would go with your initial thought there Serg, Suban is not as good a DT scorer as I think Whitecross might be.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Something i notcied is Suban is now been given the kickout out duties from the NAB games. Something im going to continue to look out for.

 

[newlander77]

Something i notcied is Suban is now been given the kickout out duties from the NAB games. Something im going to continue to look out for.

Are you sure you haven't mixed him up with Justin Bollenhagen? He took most of the kickins on the weekend during the Eagles game. I could be wrong here, but I only saw Suban take one during the Hawks game.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Are you sure you haven't mixed him up with Justin Bollenhagen? He took most of the kickins on the weekend during the Eagles game. I could be wrong here, but I only saw Suban take one during the Hawks game.

I must admit i didnt see alot but what i did see what number 8 suban looking taking the kick ins. I didnt get to see the freo vs hawks game i was more referring to the eagles vs freo game i guess which i saw a bit of.

 

[Docker Dolph]

I must admit i didnt see alot but what i did see what number 8 suban looking taking the kick ins. I didnt get to see the freo vs hawks game i was more referring to the eagles vs freo game i guess which i saw a bit of.

Suban did take a couple but it was as a result of following his man down on a deep backward lead and Duff was caught up field a bit. This was especially the case when both WCE and the Hawks pushed everyone up the field to clog the middle. On the one occasion I was paying attention to it Suban looked for someone else and got the wave from Duffield to bring it in.

I think you'll find Suban has the green light to do it if it means getting the ball moving but that Duffield will still be the main guy for that during the season proper.

 

[newlander77]

I must admit i didnt see alot but what i did see what number 8 suban looking taking the kick ins. I didnt get to see the freo vs hawks game i was more referring to the eagles vs freo game i guess which i saw a bit of.

I just watched the replay of the Freo v West Coast game & I only saw one kick in from Suban. He was playing in a back pocket for most of the first half though, which resulted in him being the first receiver of the footy from the kick in quite frequently (in the pocket). Duffield, Van Berlo & Bollenhagen were the main guys kicking in.

I guess the main thing to take from that is Suban will likely take the role of Roger Hayden in the first half of 2011. So he will see a lot of the footy if you're wanting to pick him for your dream team.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I just watched the replay of the Freo v West Coast game & I only saw one kick in from Suban. He was playing in a back pocket for most of the first half though, which resulted in him being the first receiver of the footy from the kick in quite frequently (in the pocket). Duffield, Van Berlo & Bollenhagen were the main guys kicking in.

I guess the main thing to take from that is Suban will likely take the role of Roger Hayden in the first half of 2011. So he will see a lot of the footy if you're wanting to pick him for your dream team.

Really? as i said i didnt get to see alot of the game, but the bits i mustve watched must have been that one kick in, i swear he did a few more, maybe not. Thanks for that, makes me keep Duffield in my mind.

 

[Jobe3votes]

You don't have Gibbs in your backs? You must be the only one...

I'd take Rawlings purely for unique reasons, provided he continues to play back. If it's rumoured he'll go back to a tagging more in the midfield then i'd take Scotland.

I did have Gibbs but I dont trust Rattens tactics with him, he was wasted so much in the backline in 2010. Despite Ratten saying he'll play Gibbs more in the middle, I still don't trust him 1 little bit.

I ended up picking Rawlings.

 

[Audacious]

From an Eagles perspective, i think Sheppard would be a good selection. Worsfold took his sweet time picking him, but once he made the best 22, Sheppard played almost every game for the rest of the season.

And because of the Worsfold factor, if any of you have Gaff starting in your team id think again. Woosha tradionally doesnt like including youngsters in round 1. Hell he even made Chris Judd start in the WAFL, and if Juddy didnt boot 5 goals off a wing he probably would have stayed there for a few rounds.

 

[jonoman89]

I did have Gibbs but I dont trust Rattens tactics with him, he was wasted so much in the backline in 2010. Despite Ratten saying he'll play Gibbs more in the middle, I still don't trust him 1 little bit.

I ended up picking Rawlings.

Gibbs averaged 99 playing back. Even if he repeated 2010 he'd still be worth having.

 

[WeninRome]

Not much love on here for Laidler. 60 in his only game last year and will get plenty of games for the Blues this year in a sweeping half back role..

thoughts?

 

[Benno_900]

I did have Gibbs but I dont trust Rattens tactics with him, he was wasted so much in the backline in 2010. Despite Ratten saying he'll play Gibbs more in the middle, I still don't trust him 1 little bit.

He was a mid last season, he is a back this season. Massive difference.

 

[WeninRome]

He was a mid last season, he is a back this season. Massive difference.

Exactly. There is no way Gibbs will play back...Rattens job nearly depends on it.

 

[Blues_FC]

Not much love on here for Laidler. 60 in his only game last year and will get plenty of games for the Blues this year in a sweeping half back role..

thoughts?

Shhhh.....

 

[borrat]

From an Eagles perspective, i think Sheppard would be a good selection. Worsfold took his sweet time picking him, but once he made the best 22, Sheppard played almost every game for the rest of the season.

And because of the Worsfold factor, if any of you have Gaff starting in your team id think again. Woosha tradionally doesnt like including youngsters in round 1. Hell he even made Chris Judd start in the WAFL, and if Juddy didnt boot 5 goals off a wing he probably would have stayed there for a few rounds.

the fact that he can actually kick the ball and most west coast mids cant makes him a certainty to play i.m.o

 

[borrat]

Not much love on here for Laidler. 60 in his only game last year and will get plenty of games for the Blues this year in a sweeping half back role..

thoughts?

isnt it pretty much between him and duigan for a half back spot? if so i would go duigan because of his experience

 

[KruZin]

From an Eagles perspective, i think Sheppard would be a good selection. Worsfold took his sweet time picking him, but once he made the best 22, Sheppard played almost every game for the rest of the season.

And because of the Worsfold factor, if any of you have Gaff starting in your team id think again. Woosha tradionally doesnt like including youngsters in round 1. Hell he even made Chris Judd start in the WAFL, and if Juddy didnt boot 5 goals off a wing he probably would have stayed there for a few rounds.

I had Sheppard as my #7 defender from his first game in Rd 7 last year. Although he only ended up averaging 57 that needs to be put into perspective due to 3 very low scoring games. 22, 23 & 35. He was knocked out before half time in his first game. Got injured in his last game and got **** all TOG in the other low score in between. Take away those 3 scores and he has a 65 average, which is a better reflection of his season IMHO. Excellent for a lightly built first year kid playing def/mid with limited TOG.

With a season under his belt & presuming he doesn't break down or get KO'd again, no reason why he can't average 75-80 if he gets more TOG and rotated through the midfield, instead of being benched. DP makes him a lock for me, as I can't see him going backwards, regardless of the second year rule. Even if he doesn't quite deliver and only winds up averaging 65 for his first 7-8 games, his price will have gone up enough to straight swap for a falling super premium...

 

[Jolldo87]

With a season under his belt & presuming he doesn't break down or get KO'd again, no reason why he can't average 75-80 if he gets more TOG and rotated through the midfield, instead of being benched. DP makes him a lock for me, as I can't see him going backwards, regardless of the second year rule. Even if he doesn't quite deliver and only winds up averaging 65 for his first 7-8 games, his price will have gone up enough to straight swap for a falling super premium...

Nah if he averages 65 his price will remain at pretty much the same level.

 

[KruZin]

Nah if he averages 65 his price will remain at pretty much the same level.

How do you figure? He's starting the season with a 57 average (237k). His price will go up 35k (272k) if he can get the average up to up to 65. Shouldn't be too hard to do with more TOG and low break evens to start the season. Couple of decent scores early on and he could even be up to 300k within the first 4-5 rounds. Either way, will be ready to upgrade to a premium way quicker than any of the rookies, because he's already halfway there and has JS.

 

[Jolldo87]

How do you figure? He's starting the season with a 57 average (237k). His price will go up 35k (272k) if he can get the average up to up to 65. Shouldn't be too hard to do with more TOG and low break evens to start the season. Couple of decent scores early on and he could even be up to 300k within the first 4-5 rounds. Either way, will be ready to upgrade to a premium way quicker than any of the rookies, because he's already halfway there and has JS.

That's the way the game works.

The total price of all players combined throughout the year does not change. Therefore as rookies inevitably outscore their average and increase in price, the prices of other players must come down to balance this effect out. This is why we see premiums who maintain their average from the previous season decreasing in price.

If Sheppard scored 65 each week next season his price would hardly move at all.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Jolldos right, his price might rise a little but nothing special and not worth it.

However if he is to avg maybe 70 each week or 75 than his price will start to rise a fair bit.

Remember the magic number (if there is such a thing) doesnt drop to much. IIRC its about 4152 this year, so it might at around R6 or R8 still be around 3900 or 4000 still. NP people would have a better idea on this as they have followed it over the past few years, But thats a fairly accurate guestimate i think.

So by round 8 lets say he avgs 70 and the magic number is 4000 than he would be around 280k at that time. Thats a 43k gain.

However players like Harris for example is priced at something like 28.5 IIRC. So by round 8 assuming MN is 4000 aswell and he is avg 70 than he will be at around 280k making a massive climb in price of his 115k starting price. I think thats sort of how it works, obviousily this is assuming these players score 70 each week and that wont happen and the calculations would be off a bit, but just trying to give a general guide.

Dogs,Tarquin or Walesy could explain it alot better

 

[Dr Awkward]

DT would be a better game if rookies were priced a little bit higher.

 

[KruZin]

That's the way the game works.

The total price of all players combined throughout the year does not change. Therefore as rookies inevitably outscore their average and increase in price, the prices of other players must come down to balance this effect out. This is why we see premiums who maintain their average from the previous season decreasing in price.

If Sheppard scored 65 each week next season his price would hardly move at all.

Jolldos right, his price might rise a little but nothing special and not worth it.

However if he is to avg maybe 70 each week or 75 than his price will start to rise a fair bit.

Remember the magic number (if there is such a thing) doesnt drop to much. IIRC its about 4152 this year, so it might at around R6 or R8 still be around 3900 or 4000 still. NP people would have a better idea on this as they have followed it over the past few years, But thats a fairly accurate guestimate i think.

So by round 8 lets say he avgs 70 and the magic number is 4000 than he would be around 280k at that time. Thats a 43k gain.

However players like Harris for example is priced at something like 28.5 IIRC. So by round 8 assuming MN is 4000 aswell and he is avg 70 than he will be at around 280k making a massive climb in price of his 115k starting price. I think thats sort of how it works, obviousily this is assuming these players score 70 each week and that wont happen and the calculations would be off a bit, but just trying to give a general guide.

Dogs,Tarquin or Walesy could explain it alot better

Ahh thanks guys, I never quite figured out how that margin thing worked. I can see now why second year players get overlooked. Unless they are out and out guns like Scully for instance, that is a fairly safe bet that he will go up at least 10-15ppg. I can't think of too many others out of the non pure mids, I'm betting on Shephard being the most likely to go up another 10-15ppg from last years first rounders.

Makes it difficult to go the mid price option though. I'm looking for a #6 defender with excellent JS that will be good for 70-80ppg in the 200k-280K price range. Most teams seem to have Adcock if going the mid price route. I don't trust his reliability though. Others have Nathan Krakouer or Easton Wood for uniqueness. Obviously can't go with all four...So out of Adcock, Shephard, Wood & Krakouer (or someone else?) who is in their teams best 20 from that price bracket (& durable) that is the most likely to take that 50-60ppg average and turn it into 75+ is the million dollar question...

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Some good midprice mids IMO

Cotchin, Scully, Levi greenwood, Masten, S.Selwood, Hanneberry

I also like some midprice defenders. Last year at the last minute i strongly considered Dempsey for uniqueness and maybe a slight breakout, which is what happened.

I wish i picked him, avg 77 over the first 7 rounds, ideal for an upgrade after just avg 60 the year before.

He never was a keeper but he made money and was a sideways trade to a falling premium.

 

[KruZin]

Some good midprice mids IMO

Cotchin, Scully, Levi greenwood, Masten, S.Selwood, Hanneberry

I also like some midprice defenders. Last year at the last minute i strongly considered Dempsey for uniqueness and maybe a slight breakout, which is what happened.

I wish i picked him, avg 77 over the first 7 rounds, ideal for an upgrade after just avg 60 the year before.

He never was a keeper but he made money and was a sideways trade to a falling premium.

What are your thoughts on Sidebottom & Shuey from the mid price mids?