DT Rucks 2010

[Director]

Depends on what you mean by the word "tradeable".

It is unlikely that more than one of these players will put on more than 75k. This year I would say that only Skipper or Warnock are a chance. And even then, it's going to require things going right.

But then, would 75k even be a success?

Warnock has at least shown glimpses of being a decent DT ruckman. I can remember being suitably impressed by the 80+ game he had against Carlton a couple of years ago. He certainly inspires more confidence than Gus Graham did going into last season.

That's not to say he'll definitely be a worthwhile cash-cow, but I reckon you might as well give him the chance. And for that to happen you need an active fourth ruck.

 

[Roar Metre]

Sandi - Clark - Warnock - Skipper

Are many people doing this?

 

[Walesy]

Warnock has at least shown glimpses of being a decent DT ruckman. I can remember being suitably impressed by the 80+ game he had against Carlton a couple of years ago. He certainly inspires more confidence than Gus Graham did going into last season.

That's not to say he'll definitely be a worthwhile cash-cow, but I reckon you might as well give him the chance. And for that to happen you need an active fourth ruck.

Glimpses, yes. But it's still a fact that he's a young ruck, who's scored over 80 once, had a career decimated with injuries so far and spent the last year out of the game.

I can't think of any footballer in *any* position that came out and made a decent cash cow after following that career path- let alone a ruckman!

Higgins would be close, but at least he played 4 games in 08.

 

[PAFCsince1870]

Sandi - Clark - Warnock - Skipper

Are many people doing this?

Snap.

 

[cowsnutz]

There is one 77k ruckman who isn't a beanpole and could get a run if injuries recur at this particular club like they did last year. He would be just as likely as either of Skipper or Warnock playing at the same time of the season when one of my 2 starting ruckmen may miss a game.

Also, it could be an extra $24k if you have Skipper instead of Warnock as your 3rd ruckman....

 

[Director]

There is one 77k ruckman who isn't a beanpole and could get a run if injuries recur at this particular club like they did last year. He would be just as likely as either of Skipper or Warnock playing at the same time of the season when one of my 2 starting ruckmen may miss a game.

Also, it could be an extra $24k if you have Skipper instead of Warnock as your 3rd ruckman....

I assume you're talking about Broc McCauley, not one of the basketballers? If so, I'm pretty sure he hasn't had a full pre-season.

 

[cowsnutz]

Spot on. With Charman already down and L-burger being very injury prone, having Broc as a backup in case of an injury to Mitch Clark would seem to make sense. Surely being a 24y.o mature age rookie, Vossy has got him as insurance.

Not too fussed about a limited pre season, we are talking about a $77k ruckman, mainly to cover any doughnuts. I'd say if Brisbane had a fair bit of bad luck and he is fit, he'd play.

My rucks:
M Clark, Brogan, Skipper, Broc

 

[Dr Awkward]

Depends on what you mean by the word "tradeable".

It is unlikely that more than one of these players will put on more than 75k. This year I would say that only Skipper or Warnock are a chance. And even then, it's going to require things going right.

I do see your point and you have convinced me that it is not completely stupid to pick a 77k 4th ruck. However personally I think the 17k extra investment is worth it, and I will still be hoping that my fourth ruck can make some cash this year.

If there is a rookie ruck under 100k (most likely Skipper at this stage but there could be some others) that is named round 1 I will go with them

 

[DERIBERATE]

Is there a chance of maybe Skipper putting on a few games early (due to Hawthorn injuries), then a trade option to a Roughead mid season?

 

[West123]

Skipper a) won't make as much cash as fwds/mids and b) will provide good backup where as the downgrade target might be less likely to play than Skipper.

If you need the cash that week and there aren't better options but generally if a back up ruck is playing he is worth keeping as there generally aren't cheap rucks playing.

 

[Ahwooga]

Having read through every post in this rather excellent thread (easily the most informative discussion on ups and downs of strategy i have read on this site in a long time) I have had to rethink my earlier thoughts on having a 77k no starter as number 4 ruckman. From a risk management perspective, and in order to avoid the situation of having one premium out, warnock dropped and having to trade out or cop a zero for a couple of weeks (and it'll be an important zero too if its losing cox, clark, sandi etc) the 18k difference between say skipper and bass is a thousand bucks a week insurance premium against having to burn a trade. Seems worth it to me.

You might even make it back at the end of the year if a skipper or a warnock manages to post a few half decent scores and becomes worth a burn trade down to get that all important cash for a league semi-final win.

 

[Teh_Nub]

how many games is skipper likely to play, just wondering?

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

I would have thought 12-20 games. Taylor won't be available until round 14-18. We have Renouf who should play every game. Past that we have Bailey (could be back about round 12, but 3 ACL injuries doesn't fill you with confidence that he will ever play alot of senior footy), Grimley (played 3 games in the TAC cup last year, basketball background and thin as a bean pole), Lowden who is currently injured but is again 2 years at least from having an AFL body. We could use guys like Dowler/Roughead in the ruck but until Taylor comes back Skipper will play alot of footy you would think.

 

[Cruiser23]

I would have thought 12-20 games. Taylor won't be available until round 14-18. We have Renouf who should play every game. Past that we have Bailey (could be back about round 12, but 3 ACL injuries doesn't fill you with confidence that he will ever play alot of senior footy), Grimley (played 3 games in the TAC cup last year, basketball background and thin as a bean pole), Lowden who is currently injured but is again 2 years at least from having an AFL body. We could use guys like Dowler/Roughead in the ruck but until Taylor comes back Skipper will play alot of footy you would think.

You reckon they'd want a 2nd ruckman? Reckon the better option would be just have Roughead, even Franklin doing very short stints in the ruck which would give Renouf a rest, then you can add another runner.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

You reckon they'd want a 2nd ruckman? Reckon the better option would be just have Roughead, even Franklin doing very short stints in the ruck which would give Renouf a rest, then you can add another runner.

Not sure you want to use a rolls royce, when a hummer is more appropriate

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Hummer? more like Toyota Prius...

You'd sacrificy a 22 spot for a fill-in ruckman that would not warrant more than 30-40% gametime?

I meant hummer as in battering ram.

Skipper isn't that good - but it's better he gets the corks, jarred knees etc - then risk Franklin or Roughead.

The rucks probably get injured more than any other position - so I wouldn't recommend risking your top-shelf players in a position they are unaccustomed to.

 

[Murphinator]

I wouldn't say rucks get injured the most. What about all the soft tissues that occur in every other position?

Rucks have been very troubling this year...
Considering the price differences, please compare:

Sandi + Clark (Lions)
Sandi + Kreuzer
Sandi + Tippett
Sandi + McEvoy
Kreuzer + Tippett
Kreuzer + McEvoy
Tippett + McEvoy

Please consider the price differences... (clark + sandi most likely to score the most, however both cost 420k odd)
What would you pick from this selection?

Is Tippett or Kreuzer safer this year? I would have gone with Kreuzer with Fevola at Carlton, but he may find himself playing forward too much, thus lowering his score. (Face it, he is a natural ruckman)

 

[yogibbear]

I wouldn't say rucks get injured the most. What about all the soft tissues that occur in every other position?

Rucks have been very troubling this year...
Considering the price differences, please compare:

Sandi + Clark (Lions)
Sandi + Kreuzer
Sandi + Tippett
Sandi + McEvoy
Kreuzer + Tippett
Kreuzer + McEvoy
Tippett + McEvoy

Please consider the price differences... (clark + sandi most likely to score the most, however both cost 420k odd)
What would you pick from this selection?

Is Tippett or Kreuzer safer this year? I would have gone with Kreuzer with Fevola at Carlton, but he may find himself playing forward too much, thus lowering his score. (Face it, he is a natural ruckman)

My combination is not listed above. LOL. Yet i've got those players...

 

[Papa Juggs]

Jesse White??

Any good? Will get games??

 

[Juzz]

Jesse White??

Any good? Will get games??

Won't get games early according to the Sydney board on the basis Sydney have recruited both Seaby and Mumford and have also been playing Pyke...

 

[Spoony]

Jesse white looks like he could be the tippet of last year, he scored pretty well after round 16 last year when hall left and he became the main man in the foward 50. over the preseason he has put on bulk and is coming into his third season. THe swans view him as the future power foward, the only concern with him is how he will perform with Bradshaw in the team. He will play 22 games as the swans CHF.

 

[swanton]

Won't get games early according to the Sydney board on the basis Sydney have recruited both Seaby and Mumford and have also been playing Pyke...

which poster told you that

he will play 22 games this year (barring injury)

he will play FF alongside Bradshaw

and when goodes drifts into the midfield than white will move to CHF

 

[Dr Awkward]

Won't get games early according to the Sydney board on the basis Sydney have recruited both Seaby and Mumford and have also been playing Pyke...

WTF? Can't be bothered checking Sydney board but they are smoking something serious if they think that Jesse White isn't best 22. He is not really a ruckman anymore he is a forward and he has an absolute truckload of ability, dominated some games last year.

 

[moiecoute]

Won't get games early according to the Sydney board on the basis Sydney have recruited both Seaby and Mumford and have also been playing Pyke...

If you read that on the Sydney boards then they wrong. White is a key part of the new Sydney forward line. He will play 22 games if fit and in form.

 

[54Dogs]

Just on the talk of 77K vs Skipper, doesn't seem to be much consideration to a DP structure in 4th ruck slot. If you were going to sacrifice 77K, why not pay 89K and set up a DP link so Tippett can cover both onfield rucks. Will allow you to play a fwd bench player rather than a ruck bench whenever you get a ruck injury.

For 3 ppg it could be worth considering. The obvious issue is you need to be comfortable with Tippett paying his way as a forward. The other way is to leave the Lobbe link in place early with no premium ruck fwd and trade Tippett or Petrie into the fwd line when they drop in price so you have DP coverage for the back half of the season when the carnage will hit.