DT Rucks 2012

[Keystone agony]

Ill take your word PO. I havnt seen the big O play, so i dont know how good he is. All i know is i rate Simpson and West so thought they may be a bit of competition for that first spot. I also didnt know Hocking had said that, so you have to go on Hockings word and say he will likely be the number 1 ruck in round 1. Will be my 3rd or 4th option at this stage.

Are people looking at Mcevoy, Mumford due to Leunenberger, Goldstein having byes in a round where a few others might.

For most if they picked a team now Big O and Giles would be locked away in it.

GWS bye round 11, Geelong bye round 12

So really you can only pick one more player for those rounds at a max which means 1 more max from (Coll, Geel, Syd, Melb, Freo, Ess) and 1 more max from (North, WCE, WBD, Lions, Adel, GWS).

Or you can pick 2 premium rucks from the round 13 bye sides (Stk, Rich, Hawks, Carl, GC, Port)

Thats the situation we seem to be in.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Ill take your word PO. I havnt seen the big O play, so i dont know how good he is. All i know is i rate Simpson and West so thought they may be a bit of competition for that first spot. I also didnt know Hocking had said that, so you have to go on Hockings word and say he will likely be the number 1 ruck in round 1. Will be my 3rd or 4th option at this stage.

Are people looking at Mcevoy, Mumford due to Leunenberger, Goldstein having byes in a round where a few others might.

For most if they picked a team now Big O and Giles would be locked away in it.

GWS bye round 11, Geelong bye round 12

So really you can only pick one more player for those rounds at a max which means 1 more max from (Coll, Geel, Syd, Melb, Freo, Ess) and 1 more max from (North, WCE, WBD, Lions, Adel, GWS).

Or you can pick 2 premium rucks from the round 13 bye sides (Stk, Rich, Hawks, Carl, GC, Port)

Thats the situation we seem to be in.

Unless there is a good pair of forward/rucks like Petrie last year.

What are peoples thoughts on Jolly and Bailey?

 

[DockerA]

Zac Clarke could be a unique ruck option next year. Averaged 92 in the last 7 games last year, will be playing more up forward by the looks of it but could be a real good pick up and will be cheaper than Mumford, Sandi, Cox etc

 

[Keystone agony]

Zac Clarke could be a unique ruck option next year. Averaged 92 in the last 7 games last year, will be playing more up forward by the looks of it but could be a real good pick up and will be cheaper than Mumford, Sandi, Cox etc

Hes certainly one of those high risk, high reward type players.

REWARD - Because of his strong finish, rapidly improving, massive upside, will start as a forward but give chop outs to sandi, could get high TOG

RISK - Still in my head i have him wearing a blue and black jumper in the WAFL and not dominating there. Griffen, Sandi , does Clarke sit 3rd. Will freo bother with 2 rucks, Ross Lyon hardly cared about 2 rucks at the saints but than i guess he really never had 2 healthy good rucks. Also probably doesn't have the best bye week, picking him and the Big O (lock atm) than thats 2 rucks for that round (although 2 rucks have to miss in one of the bye weeks)

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Hes certainly one of those high risk, high reward type players.

REWARD - Because of his strong finish, rapidly improving, massive upside, will start as a forward but give chop outs to sandi, could get high TOG

RISK - Still in my head i have him wearing a blue and black jumper in the WAFL and not dominating there. Griffen, Sandi , does Clarke sit 3rd. Will freo bother with 2 rucks, Ross Lyon hardly cared about 2 rucks at the saints but than i guess he really never had 2 healthy good rucks. Also probably doesn't have the best bye week, picking him and the Big O (lock atm) than thats 2 rucks for that round (although 2 rucks have to miss in one of the bye weeks)

I'd say the Saints had two rucks nearly every game 2009, 2010.
2011, was it because of the interchange rule, that Lyon decided that one ruck was enough, or was it simply that he didnt have enough fit rucks?

 

[bombermick]

Roughead gets DPP, but Petrie misses out.

Talk about a spanner in the works ...

 

[Keystone agony]

I'd say the Saints had two rucks nearly every game 2009, 2010.
2011, was it because of the interchange rule, that Lyon decided that one ruck was enough, or was it simply that he didnt have enough fit rucks?

The saints are a bit different to other teams, they rely heavily on Kozi. He was/has been there second ruck for sometime, but hes also the main go to man full forward. Its hard to put a Leigh Brown, Hille, Cox, Z.Clark down in the forward pocket as a deep forward/3rd tall forward. They just become too slow, similar case with the roos. Although Petrie moves alot better.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The saints are a bit different to other teams, they rely heavily on Kozi. He was/has been there second ruck for sometime, but hes also the main go to man full forward. Its hard to put a Leigh Brown, Hille, Cox, Z.Clark down in the forward pocket as a deep forward/3rd tall forward. They just become too slow, similar case with the roos. Although Petrie moves alot better.

Haha what about when Kosi becomes too slow.

But yeah, I think its a tall order to say Lyon did X with StKilda, so he will do X with Freo. Different cattle.
I'm almost thinking of taking a punt with Sandilands though.

 

[Keystone agony]

Haha what about when Kosi becomes too slow.

But yeah, I think its a tall order to say Lyon did X with StKilda, so he will do X with Freo. Different cattle.
I'm almost thinking of taking a punt with Sandilands though.

Its just something to consider, he very much has different cattle probably a better list IMO. Its something to take on board what he has done in the past but no way will it be the same at freo.

IMO he will love guys like Pearce (unsure if still on list), Deboer, Crowley, Lower ect who can play a role for him. These guys are the Mcqualter, Baker, Blake, Dempster, Eddy type players from the saints.

 

[borrat]

is it back to the old rookie list ruckman for the 4th spot?? it is for me unfortunetly

 

[SaintsSeptember]

is it back to the old rookie list ruckman for the 4th spot?? it is for me unfortunetly

Rhys Stanley may well get a bit of a run this year for very cheap money, I'll wait for the Pre-season to see what he's like.

 

[JBrooker03]

Unless your panning on starting either Giles or the big Orren Stephenson, surely every ones ruck bench would be settled?

 

[shotgun_blues]

I am thinking about starting one of these two, hoping one can average over 100 (SC) and starting with 5 premium mids.

 

[Keystone agony]

I am also very strongly thinking about starting one of those 2, with 3-4 mid premiums but stacking up on forward prems. So much can change though.

 

[jockreynolds]

Unless your panning on starting either Giles or the big Orren Stephenson, surely every ones ruck bench would be settled?

Gotta agree with you here mate - 2012 is the most straight forward R3 and R4 years in memory. There are some considering Orren as their R2 which I'm not too big on. All the interest is in the on ground ruck spots.

Big Matthew Leuenberger I have just about decided on as R1, R2 I'm not too sure. Worried about Coxy and Sandy for $$ and injury... like BigMac.... its a tough one

 

[stkildathunda]

Rhys Stanley may well get a bit of a run this year for very cheap money, I'll wait for the Pre-season to see what he's like.

Stanley isnt listed as a Ruck next year

 

[Keystone agony]

Im also in a similar position to (well i guess everyone). R3 and R4 are just about locked away with Giles and Big O. While R1 most will pick Leunenberger if they had to lock a team away right now.

Leunenberger and Giles both have the R11 bye, so picking another ruck from the R11 bye is probably not a great idea, as it likely will guarantee a zero. So really it needs to be a ruck from a R12 bye (Coll, Ess, Freo, Syd, Melb, Geel) or even better a ruck from the R13 bye (Carl, Hawks, Stk, Rich, Port, GC)

So who will be the R2? i would have probably have picked Roughead without second thought from the dogs (surprising i know) and NN would be right in contention but they have the R11 bye so they arnt really an option.

Mcevoy is the best ruck from the R13 bye and Mumford from the R12 bye along with Sandilands. But none of these players really grab me at that price.

While Ryder and Kruezer look like the best undervalued players from R12 and R13 byes. Kruezer could just about pick himself.

While im also looking into strategy and having a look what i can do with DPP

 

[DIG]

It's McEvoy or Mumford for my 2nd ruck at this stage. Hoping to just lock and leave my rucks this year.

McEvoy will carry a massive workload and consistently rack up the points. Mumford though is the classier of the two and I think will have more huge games. Durability wise I reckon McEvoy will play more games (but of course who knows).

I'm still keeping an eye on Kreuzer, and I like Ryder's durability but doubt I'll pick him.

 

[Keystone agony]

I guess the rucks and midfield are pretty similar when picking Guns/Rookies and not really midpricers unless there is a real standout. People dont pick midpricers in the mids because they know they are likely going to have to use a trade to upgrade them. Same kinda goes for the rucks, you really want your ruck sto finish around top 5 i would have thought for most points/avg. So if a Ryder or Kruezer arnt going to make that than its likely you will need to use a trade to upgrade to a Cox, Sandi, Goldy, Leuy, Mcevoy, Mumfrod ect.

Ryder has unquestionable durability while he has also shown the ability to score as an elite ruck from the year before. Really depends on his role, had a very strong finish to the year once he had more time in the ruck due to Belly not playing. Before that he had to spend to much time forward and he lost his way.

Some Essendon fans are saying they would like to see him play as a high half forward or wing, which could suit for DT anyway.

 

[dylan123]

In Jacobs and Leunenberger I trust!

 

[Keystone agony]

In Jacobs and Leunenberger I trust!

Any bias?

I cant get my head around picking Jacobs, hes just come from no where to be one of the better rucks in the comp.

 

[Quigley]

In Jacobs and Leunenberger I trust!

I was thinking along these lines originally as well until the draw was released and both of them along with Giles have a round 11 bye.

 

[dylan123]

Any bias?

I cant get my head around picking Jacobs, hes just come from no where to be one of the better rucks in the comp.

There are a few reasons I believe he can improve on his previous season.
- No competition in the ruck at all with Moran and Maric leaving.
- His first game back to the season could be argued as being slightly rushed after a hamstring injury which resulted in a low score of 45.
- Still young at the age of 24 so there should still be plenty of potential improvement left in him.
- His stats don't appear to be a one off with his disposals improving by only 1.2 a game and his tackling figures dropping by 1.1 compared to the previous season at Carlton.
- Out of Cox, Mumford, Goldstein, Leuenberger and himself, he had the lowest TOG out of them all last season and something you would expect to rise from the 80% he average in the 2011 season.

It could be bias but I can think of plenty of reasons to argue as to why he is just as good of a pick as the other key ruckman if not better.

I was thinking along these lines originally as well until the draw was released and both of them along with Giles have a round 11 bye.

I plan to trade Giles out on the round 11 bye to a rookie ruckman who is hopefully playing, if I can't find anyone then I will happily take the zero. When it comes down to choosing 2 ruckman from the round 11 bye vs the ever so injury prone Sandilands who appears to have more help next year (Griffin) and will be rested accordingly to have him prime for the finals. Or the other option in McEvoy who I'm just not that keen on, I'm happy to take the gamble of the Jacoberger combo.

 

[borrat]

has maric been mentioned much???

he could become a premium this year i think

richmonds only other pure ruckmen are graham and browne

could maric be this years mumford?

 

[Docker Dolph]

There are a few reasons I believe he can improve on his previous season.
- No competition in the ruck at all with Moran and Maric leaving.
- His first game back to the season could be argued as being slightly rushed after a hamstring injury which resulted in a low score of 45.
- Still young at the age of 24 so there should still be plenty of potential improvement left in him.
- His stats don't appear to be a one off with his disposals improving by only 1.2 a game and his tackling figures dropping by 1.1 compared to the previous season at Carlton.
- Out of Cox, Mumford, Goldstein, Leuenberger and himself, he had the lowest TOG out of them all last season and something you would expect to rise from the 80% he average in the 2011 season.

It could be bias but I can think of plenty of reasons to argue as to why he is just as good of a pick as the other key ruckman if not better.

All too easy to dismiss it when people pick a player from their own team as a bit of a flyer. So often we forget that the bias often comes with a higher degree of insight too. Nice analysis mate