Current Easey St Murders Collingwood * ARREST MADE

[Satan]

Police have arrested a man in Italy over the 1977 murders of Suzanne Armstrong and Susan Bartlett in their Easey Street home. He fled Australia in 2017 after he became aware he was a suspect.

The man fled to Greece and couldn’t be arrested because local laws meant charges must be laid within seven years of the offence.

Police have waited those 15 years for him to leave Greece so he could be arrested. They will now seek to extradite him to Melbourne to face the charges.

A police spokesperson confirmed a 65-year-old dual citizen of Australia and Greece was arrested at an airport in Rome in the early hours on Friday.


For you russian bots , long unsolved double murder in Melbourne

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Haven't they already said that the knife he had allegedly found at Vic Park station had same blood type on it as 1 of the victims ? Consider this - did both victims have the same blood type ? If not , why wasn't there 2 blood types found on the knife ? Just throwing it out there ....
Or....how about this scenario - he was having sexual relations with his teacher and the boyfriend enters the room and finds them in bed having fun, the boyfriend goes nuts, and the 17 year old flees ?
There are many possibilities....

The knife had been cleaned, I imagine it was just a tiny speck that had been missed. It was also bent in a way that was consistent with it hitting something hard, like bone.

 

[tandino]

and divorced.

I don't know if that would have made much difference either from reports.

 

[Visions]

Investigation has been totally botched up by all concerned. There is no jury in the country that could convict on grounds of beyond reasonable doubt.

How does his lawyer argue against the DNA matching the senen found when raping Armstrong?

Thats the biggest piece of evidence that will convict him.

 

[Worm4]

How does his lawyer argue against the DNA matching the senen found when raping Armstrong?

Thats the biggest piece of evidence that will convict him.

They haven't matched his DNA , yet. It's an extraordinary case, that's for sure

 

[Visions]

' and his horror when he understood why the police were so interested in the knife in his car meant his version was suitably convincing.

This should have raised a red flag immediately.

High profile murder in the neighbourhood where two women are stabbed repeatedly with a knife, and a guy “finds” a knife with blood on it shortly after and is supposedly horrified at the significance of it when police find it on him.

Seriously cmon. How naive are these cops!

 

[FromOldFitzroy]

“They haven't matched his DNA , yet. It's an extraordinary case, that's for sure.”

Well not his, personally, but that of a close relative

 

[Kurve]

They haven't matched his DNA , yet. It's an extraordinary case, that's for sure

Oh .... I reckon they would have matched his DNA actually. They would have (covertly) got it from him in Greece before now IMO even if nobody will admit it at this point. He'll also be swabbed in Italy.

 

[Visions]

They haven't matched his DNA , yet. It's an extraordinary case, that's for sure

No they haven’t. But unless its another family member like his brother Tony, when they get Perry’s DNA and it matches, his lawyer will have to be of another Perry, that of Mason fame to get him off.

The CSK killer was primarily convicted on DNA evidence even though his lawyer did his best to muddy the waters on that one when most of it was circumstantial.

 

[GrayRanga]

They haven't matched his DNA , yet. It's an extraordinary case, that's for sure

How do you know?

The media releases to date don't even know how or whose DNA was used to identify him as a suspect.

There could have been enough material left in his last known Melbourne residence to get a match

A friendly Greek cop, Doctor, Dentist, waiter or his own rubbish bin could supply enough DNA to match, enough to get an extradition warrant

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

This should have raised a red flag immediately.

High profile murder in the neighbourhood where two women are stabbed repeatedly with a knife, and a guy “finds” a knife with blood on it shortly after and is supposedly horrified at the significance of it when police find it on him.

Seriously cmon. How naive are these cops!

That will certainly be an interesting part of the investigation to revisit the case after this is all said and done: how rock solid he and his associates must have been under (apparently) intense questioning to clear him.

 

[Visions]

Or....how about this scenario - he was having sexual relations with his teacher and the boyfriend enters the room and finds them in bed having fun, the boyfriend goes nuts, and the 17 year old flees ?
There are many possibilities....

1. The 17yo had sex with the teachers friend after she was dead. So he wouldn’t have fled in this scenario.
2. The 17yo neglected to mention he was at the scene at any time coming up with some other alibi. You would think if he fled and it was the boyfriend, to save his own ass in case his name popped up at any time, he wold be dobbing the boyfriend in as its not like he had any allegiance to him.

 

[Worm4]

How do you know?

The media releases to date don't even know how or whose DNA was used to identify him as a suspect.

There could have been enough material left in his last known Melbourne residence to get a match

A friendly Greek cop, Doctor, Dentist, waiter or his own rubbish bin could supply enough DNA to match, enough to get an extradition warrant

He was called in to do DNA in 2017, then skipped over to Greece . Assuming they were merely waiting for him to leave those borders to obtain an arrest , and now as he is being held in Rome, no doubt DNA will be required .
I don't think they could go through a bin to obtain as that could be anyone's if evident. They're would be legal procedures to obtain DNA.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Even if climbing through inner city windows was more common back in the 70s still think it would be limited to partners and close friends. Not someone you have met once or twice who isn't even sure if they have your phone number correct.

Men chasing women will do strange things.

I believe the story. What I have a really hard time believing is him not seeing a body in the hallway.

 

[Kurve]

There's a long way to go but if he pleads not guilty and it goes to trial, it's going to be wild.

 

[GrayRanga]

He was called in to do DNA in 2017, then skipped over to Greece . Assuming they were merely waiting for him to leave those borders to obtain an arrest , and now as he is being held in Rome, no doubt DNA will be required .
I don't think they could go through a bin to obtain as that could be anyone's if evident. They're would be legal procedures to obtain DNA.

Not disputing that at all

By the time the matter gets before the Victorian Courts, a Victorian Court will probably order that a DNA sample be obtained so that the sampling, testing and results can be tested under cross examination.

The Italian Court may actually order a comparison DNA test be conducted before they agree to the extradition.

The Victorian Police case will present a prima facia case that the suspects DNA was found in crime scene where two women were murdered and outline the reasons why the believe that they are his.

The Italian Court will determine whether whether extradition should be granted so the matter can be determined within the Victorian Jurisdition

All I'm suggesting that VicPol have conducted certain actions in the past to ensure that they weren't going on a wild goose chase

 

[Worm4]

Not disputing that at all

By the time the matter gets before the Victorian Courts, a Victorian Court will probably order that a DNA sample be obtained so that the sampling, testing and results can be tested under cross examination.

The Italian Court may actually order a comparison DNA test be conducted before they agree to the extradition.

The Victorian Police case will present a prima facia case that the suspects DNA was found in crime scene where two women were murdered and outline the reasons why the believe that they are his.

The Italian Court will determine whether whether extradition should be granted so the matter can be determined within the Victorian Jurisdition

All I'm suggesting that VicPol have conducted certain actions in the past to ensure that they weren't going on a wild goose chase

The entire case to me is intriguing. The fact that 2 people entered the premises ( assuming after the murders took place) to which none of those persons saw a dead person in the hallway, is truly bizarre. Surely dead bodies start to smell after a day or so, particularly after 87 total stab wounds with blood everywhere through the hallway, on top of one of them stepping into blood on the floor as well without noticing anything. Cmon....

 

[Visions]

There's a long way to go but if he pleads not guilty and it goes to trial, it's going to be wild.

Doubt he will plead guilty as that will mean life for him in prison as surely (though we are talking about Victorian judges here) they would not show leniency his way.

He will take his chances with the court just like the CSK and hope he is successful as thats the only way he will see freedom again.

What will be interesting is his juvenile record. You would think there would be criminal activity aplenty. Not sure if in the 70’s they had to keep that kind of information under wraps due to being under age like they do now.

 

[GrayRanga]

Doubt he will plead guilty as that will mean life for him in prison as surely (though we are talking about Victorian judges here) they would not show leniency his way.

He will take his chances with the court just like the CSK and hope he is successful as thats the only way he will see freedom again.

What will be interesting is his juvenile record. You would think there would be criminal activity aplenty. Not sure if in the 70’s they had to keep that kind of information under wraps due to being under age like they do now.

If he is extradited back to Victoria, there will be no mention of his past criminal history and the press will be very quiet about it

Unbiased jury and all that legal stuff

If he is charged with two murders he will be presented on those and the jury will consider the evidence in relation to those charges only.

If he goes down on those charges, his prior criminal history may be taken into consideration by the Judge when imposing sentence, which may include presentence reports prepared by a CCO, psychologists and psychologists and only then will the general public know

The podcasts and true crime writers will be warming up their laptops in anticipation

 

[GreyCrow]

Not if he claims he had sex with them and left them alive and well

Thats fair because the scenario presented say the DNA was found on the carpet under the body

But if the DNA was found on the body it becomes harder to explain ie why didnt the semen fall off while the attack was going on etc

It would be pertinent to find out what is what

* noting the argument about his alibi would be used against him

 

[Bunk Moreland]

A bit more info in the chat with Kohn Sylvester



In 2017 the police decided they’d DNA test everybody in the file, 130 people (40 had passed away, so they needed family).

Suspect initially agreed to be tested then immediately fled to Greece, where he is a dual national.

Extradition only applies if the suspect can be charged in the country they are located in (Greece), not the country where the crime was committed (Australia).

Greece has a statute of limitations of 15 years, or 20 years in the case of murder. So he couldn’t be extradited from Greece.

So they had nothing except putting an Interpol alert on him and hoping he would one day leave Greece for a country where he could be arrested.

Sylvester became aware of this in 2017 but was asked by police not to publish it, as it would notify the suspect and he would never leave Greece.

Last week the suspect travelled to Italy and was arrested at an airport in Rome.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Doubt he will plead guilty as that will mean life for him in prison as surely (though we are talking about Victorian judges here) they would not show leniency his way.

He will take his chances with the court just like the CSK and hope he is successful as thats the only way he will see freedom again.

What will be interesting is his juvenile record. You would think there would be criminal activity aplenty. Not sure if in the 70’s they had to keep that kind of information under wraps due to being under age like they do now.

You’d think if he was in burglary gangs and committed the Easey St killings he would have continued committing crimes into adulthood. He was only a few months shy of 18 at the time.

Might just be a few burglaries or assaults or something but I’d be stunned if there was absolutely nothing.

It’s likely it’ll be years before we find out though. Based on his brother’s comments it sounds a bit like he was the black sheep of the family but he didn’t say much.

 

[BomberManU]

Men chasing women will do strange things.

I believe the story. What I have a really hard time believing is him not seeing a body in the hallway.

Is this guy still alive?

 

[Kurve]

You’d think if he was in burglary gangs and committed the Easey St killings he would have continued committing crimes into adulthood. He was only a few months shy of 18 at the time.

Might just be a few burglaries or assaults or something but I’d be stunned if there was absolutely nothing.

It’s likely it’ll be years before we find out though. Based on his brother’s comments it sounds a bit like he was the black sheep of the family but he didn’t say much.

The injuries he inflicted at Easey Street far exceeded what was necessary to kill them and many not fatal. It was classic overkill, the victims are women and there was a sexual element. Those impulses don't simply vanish.

He looks like a budding serial killer. Shock at what he'd done and/or nearly getting caught might have pulled him up but we can see an image in the press of someone the cops wanted for armed burglaries the following year in 1978, that looks a perfect match for Perry.

I don't think he stopped doing break and enters in the least, choosing soft targets but anybody he encountered through those is probably really lucky to be alive. Possibly absolutely dead if they recognised him as Bartlett may have and given him an excuse.

In this article, it states the offender used violence in four break-ins over two months. The police will need to revisit these crimes imo, see if any evidence was collected that might be of forensic value.

 

[Jatz]

The injuries he inflicted at Easey Street far exceeded what was necessary to kill them and many not fatal. It was classic overkill, the victims are women and there was a sexual element. Those impulses don't simply vanish.

He looks like a budding serial killer. Shock at what he'd done and/or nearly getting caught might have pulled him up but we can see an image in the press of someone the cops wanted for armed burglaries the following year in 1978, that looks a perfect match for Perry.

I don't think he stopped doing break and enters in the least, choosing soft targets but anybody he encountered through those is probably really lucky to be alive. Possibly absolutely dead if they recognised him as Bartlett may have and given him an excuse.

In this article, it states the offender used violence in four break-ins over two months. The police will need to revisit these crimes imo, see if any evidence was collected that might be of forensic value.

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It would be very unusual for him to have committed double murder and then only going back to just doing armed robberies.

The vast majority keep escalating, I don't even recall hearing of one that escalated and then kept going with a lesser crime.

 

[Kurve]

It would be very unusual for him to have committed double murder and then only going back to just doing armed robberies.

The vast majority keep escalating, I don't even recall hearing of one that escalated and then kept going with a lesser crime.

There was a study done which if I find again will post. It claims that those who aren't caught the first time and go on to serial killing, often start in their teens then they tend to take a break and pick it back up again around 26 or 27yo.

The pressure's too much in their teens and they've usually killed close to home. By the time they're 26 or 27yo, they're independent, more sophisticated, travel further and the fear of getting caught for the first one, has diminished. They think they got away with it, do it better next time and keep going.