Updated Easey St Murders Collingwood * ARREST MADE

[Hojuman]

Recent article in Age posted here said a then Constable Ron Iddles pulled him up in his car and knife was in the boot with bloodstains. Iddles passed on to detectives but never heard back and assume never followed up.

Wonder if Iddles ever followed up when he was the state's top homicide detective ? Was pretty thorough in that job. Left no stone unturned.

 

[thumbs_up]

Wonder if Iddles ever followed up when he was the state's top homicide detective ? Was pretty thorough in that job. Left no stone unturned.

No one is perfect - sounds like he left this stone unturned

 

[Hojuman]

No one is perfect - sounds like he left this stone unturned

Maybe Perry was always on the radar, just taken this long sadly.

 

[Anja_Nees]

My knowledge is Victorian specific and a couple of decades old, but the breach rate for all parolees was about a third (give or take a few percentage points). This includes reoffending, doing a runner or both,

I did see a report in the papers that the recidivism rate for released convicted prisoners under the the new stricter parole guidelines remains about the same or higher for those not released on parole.

The breaching rate for parolees released following a conviction of Murder, including reoffending, doing a runner or both was less than 10%.

Over a century, to the best of my my memory, a grand total of four persons released from custody following a conviction for murder have been convicted of a further charge of murder. As I said, my specific knowledge is not current, but i do keep a track of names I recognise.

I find it a bit weird that the default response of posters is to go the worst case scenario and start promoting serial killer allegations without any proof at all.

Not saying he didn't commit other murders, serial killers are only a miniscule percentage of all murderers.

I suppose that the serial murderer stirs the imaginations with visceral thrills

I get that it seems counterintuitive to do something as perverse as a frenzied knife attack/rape as a one off, but people do horrendous things in a given instance and then not again. Plenty of war criminals live civilised post-war lives etc.

Unfortunately (assuming it’s the right person) I don’t think he’ll be falling over himself to confess so we probably won’t find out the details.

It’s possible there were a few culprits, or that he flew into a rage over a rejection or that he was horrified by his own conduct in the aftermath or scared straight by nearly getting caught.

The other thing is that committing an act like this one isn’t really a logical act, and there might not be much of a logical explanation.

 

[Anja_Nees]

No one is perfect - sounds like he left this stone unturned

Being fair to him, if there were 130 odd persons of interest I’m sure there would have been a number of them who looked quite appealing for some reason or another.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

EXTRADITION PROCESS BEGINS FOR MAN ACCUSED OF EASEY ST MURDERS

EXTRADITION PROCESS BEGINS FOR MAN ACCUSED OF EASEY ST MURDERS

todayspaper.theaustralian.com.au

 

[Bunk Moreland]

No one is perfect - sounds like he left this stone unturned

If I’m reading right he was a 20yo constable at the time. Apparently did the traffic stop, found the knife in the car and passed it on to the detectives on the case.

Probably not much more he could/should have done

 

[GreyCrow]

If I’m reading right he was a 20yo constable at the time. Apparently did the traffic stop, found the knife in the car and passed it on to the detectives on the case.

Probably not much more he could/should have done

And it would have been one of many traffic stops with knives present

 

[Kurve]

There's more information in this segment, Perry lived in a warehouse in Dandenong which I think he owned. Was said to have sold up his properties when he moved to Greece.

Another image in there, I can't tell how tall he is but he looks to be slight framed.

Suspect arrested in Easey Street murders

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[Hojuman]

How do you go about " living " in a factory ? Common ? Council approvement ?

 

[GreyCrow]

How do you go about " living " in a factory ? Common ? Council approvement ?

I looked into it - most have office space you can convert into a bedroom - showers and toilet facilities and with a bit of handyman work another office as a lounge/kitchen with a microwave or you eat out a lot

Then imagine the entertaining area !

Definitely a single male lifestyle choice imo

 

[Pamcake1]

How do you go about " living " in a factory ? Common ? Council approvement ?

Pretty easily if you are there for secruity, as that is one of the permitted reasons that you can live in factories and warehouses here in Vic.

 

[Pamcake1]

Ok this is interesting as to the suspects character.
I had a convo with my 93 yo Dad who said he remembers at the time when he was the site Architect in charge of the refurbishment of the exhibition Buildings in the 70-80's that two of the workers on site, had gone to school with the suspect and were Greek and lived nearby and knew him.
They were talking on site and discussing about whether they should go to the cops about him as they thought at the time that he was involved. They didn't like his character at all.
Dad doesn't know whether they did say something or not but it's interesting that two of a peer group thought it was him or that he was somewhere involved.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (could well be)

Brock: A 'person of interest' because he'd been to the house and was an acquaintance, may have been on a couple of dates with one of the victims. His role and standing on
the 'likely suspects' massively exaggerated by the media because of his name and used to get some more clicks. Never seriously suspected.

Stopping PK for questioning: the inference is that he was stopped because Iddles knew him and he was known as a burglar. He was formally questioned on unrelated matters by police around the time of the murders. Iddles took the knife and left it with the forensics team who were able to determine that blood on the knife was human and match it to one of the victim's blood types, but no trace of the other victim's blood type. Both had common blood types and the knife had been cleaned, so not much to conclude from that alone.

Still given that PK was apparently pulled over purely because he was a troublemaker and there was a chance (however slight) that it was the murder weapon, in hindsight it would appear that he would/should have been much higher on the persons of interest list.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Being fair to him, if there were 130 odd persons of interest I’m sure there would have been a number of them who looked quite appealing for some reason or another.

Yeah but not many i'm sure didn't live nearby and were found with a knife with blood on it ...and wasn't known at the time that he had burglary charges pending?

 

[sohohoho]

Feels like they should have found the school link if he was known to police?

Maybe they knew about that but the murders were so brutal he was just dismissed as never being capable of doing it plus the alibi he seems to have had which was rock solid.

 

[GrayRanga]

No one is perfect - sounds like he left this stone unturned

OK, what prima facie case can you build to link two murders with a knife found in the boot of a car where there is no other evidence available?

Remember, a jury has to convinced beyond reasonable doubt that the accused commited the offence.

If he was presented for trial (if it even got past commital) on the basis of the only evidence being a knife he said he found near the crime scene it could create a reasonable doubt and the jury would therefore acquit.

If acquited, he could never face trial on that charge ever again

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (could well be)

Brock: A 'person of interest' because he'd been to the house and was an acquaintance, may have been on a couple of dates with one of the victims. His role and standing on
the 'likely suspects' massively exaggerated by the media because of his name and used to get some more clicks. Never seriously suspected.

Stopping PK for questioning: the inference is that he was stopped because Iddles knew him and he was known as a burglar. He was formally questioned on unrelated matters by police around the time of the murders. Iddles took the knife and left it with the forensics team who were able to determine that blood on the knife was human and match it to the knife one of the victim's types, but no trace of the other victim's blood type. Both had common blood types and the knife had been cleaned, so not much to conclude from that alone.

Still given that PK was apparently pulled over purely because he was a troublemaker and there was a chance (however slight) that it was the murder weapon, in hindsight it would appear that he would/should have been much higher on the persons of interest list.

Apparently the homicide squad was formed back in 1943 so they absolutely had a specialist squad by the 70s. I wonder how big or well resourced it was.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Yeah but not many i'm sure didn't live nearby and were found with a knife with blood on it ...and wasn't known at the time that he had burglary charges pending?

The explanation they’ve given is that he had an alibi which appeared solid and his reaction to the gravity of the situation was believable.

With the knife, they’ve said it was pretty common for youths to be carrying knives in the area at the time, and I don’t think it was soaked in blood.

So while it looks bad when a DNA result comes out years later, I can understand how it might have looked like white noise at the time. Of the 130 persons of interest I’m sure there were all sorts of candidates including known criminals, ex lovers etc.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Tom Prior in his book has got a section or paragraphs on Perry , Perry this Perry that , and re the knife and then the homicide detectives gave him an exhausting interview other several hours , grilled him , but he had a water tight alibi

Also read yesterday , he had a cousin , exactly the same name Perry , and he said the Perry ( the bad one ) was a troubled youth , he had some instrument/device to put on doors to break in and steal , and had been charged with stealing as a youngster in Greece

Perry ( the good one ) said his father was a policeman and tried speaking to the other Perry but it was to no avail

It would be interesting who gave him the alibi , because that got him off the hook

 

[jimmytigs]

so they lied about that knife to make him feel safe to travel out of greece,it worked so kudos on that,because everything ive read mentioned the knife was found at the station,but never said by whom,leaving the assumption the cops just found it & adding that it was likely nothing to do with the crime

 

[RichmondVFA]

Maybe there isn't a link from Collingwood High. Can't imagine Perry would have been a keen student if he was getting around with knives doing burglaries at 17. I thought I remembered from reading the book that Susan Bartlett had only been at Collingwood High for a short time.

 

[jimmytigs]

Maybe there isn't a link from Collingwood High. Can't imagine Perry would have been a keen student if he was getting around with knives doing burglaries at 17. I thought I remembered from reading the book that Susan Bartlett had only been at Collingwood High for a short time.

that is correct,i think they were only at the address 2-3 months,maximum 6,my thinking is he had a crack at armstrong,failed & got angry,at some point whether armstrong was dead or alive bartlett entered the scene from her bedroom,he knew that she knew him so he made certain she was dead,accounting for the 55 stab wounds

 

[Choo Sik Too]

I find the account of the 93 year old man fascinating. It suggests that the Greeks were a tight knit community and knew of others' goings on. Hopefully the police can speak with that man. Suppose that PK was with another Greek mate doing burglaries that night. His mate driving the getaway car. Neighbours heard a car speeding off. PK enters and to his horror realises that the residents teach at his school and could identify him. Panics, kills them, assaults one of them then eventually leaves and says "killed the teachers" to his accomplice suggesting that his accomplice also went to the same school and knew what this meant or that it would be significant to him.

 

[takethepowerback]

I find the account of the 93 year old man fascinating. It suggests that the Greeks were a tight knit community and knew of others' goings on. Hopefully the police can speak with that man. Suppose that PK was with another Greek mate doing burglaries that night. His mate driving the getaway car. Neighbours heard a car speeding off. PK enters and to his horror realises that the residents teach at his school and could identify him. Panics, kills them, assaults one of them then eventually leaves and says "killed the teachers" to his accomplice suggesting that his accomplice also went to the same school and knew what this meant or that it would be significant to him.

He lives 300m away right? Surely he ain't trying an armed robbery down the road without a balaclava...at which point he could of bailed.

Not sold on the robbery gone wrong turning to a brutal murder and SA.