Official Team Thread East Side Hawks :: Season 31 :: Festival of the Biggie! Headliner: por_please_ya!

[Tarkyn_24]

I don't know if this re-brand will. I couldn't say, but I have explained why I believe it/others could.

Letting this new guard that are very engaged take the reins somewhat will allow some (can't speak for all) to feel like they have more ownership, for lack of a better term, of their teams. The same way the old guard built teams up over however many years and are now, in my opinion, rubbed the wrong way because their ownership is being threatened.

Again, I'm not saying the league legends need to lie down and let their work crumble around them, but perhaps the ones that have taken more of a backseat should be more accepting of the fact that the newer posters want the opportunity to forge their own histories just as they did and maybe even nurture that impulse. It'll make for longer lasting relationships with the league if posters feel they have the opportunity to shape it. I could very well be wrong though.

I’m sure Chip could’ve put together a tenable expansion bid to do just that.

 

[Chat Pile]

I’m sure Chip could’ve put together a tenable expansion bid to do just that.

Could have done, yeah.

Reckon it would have been accepted?

 

[manangatang]

Could have done, yeah.

Reckon it would have been accepted?

Reckon it would have, yes. If he’d done it properly.

Letting this new guard that are very engaged take the reins somewhat will allow some (can't speak for all) to feel like they have more ownership, for lack of a better term, of their teams. The same way the old guard built teams up over however many years and are now, in my opinion, rubbed the wrong way because their ownership is being threatened.

I took over as captain at MBD wanting to make my mark on the team, and I’ve comfortably done that without any rebranding.

In fact, a lot of the work I’ve done is to build the catalogue of history of the club so it’s recorded for future people to enjoy.

I guess I’m just saying that rebranding isn’t really necessary to help people feel like they’re having a say/making their mark.

the newer posters want the opportunity to forge their own histories just as they did and maybe even nurture that impulse

I mean, yeah. Most captains of existing clubs can claim that they’ve forged their own history - good or bad.

Again, I recognise that what you’re saying could be argued - I just think it’s a weak argument for why a name change is necessary.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Could have done, yeah.

Reckon it would have been accepted?

If it stood up, definitely.

The Demons are quite likely to have surplus posters to QOOTY positions this season which indicates that there's a degree of health in the league that would support expansion. I can't think of any opposition I walked away from last year where I'd have said quantitatively they weren't up to scratch.

Qualitative is all down to posting styles, and potentially a different story, but I'm not here to play god on what constitutes good or bad posting. If the posting was truly awful, the team would suffer its own self-fulfilling outcome - I'm sure it would get rather boring screaming into the void.

Ultimately, clubs can rebadge how they feel, and its their own prerogative. I'm disappointed as a former club captain with the decision because it does impact the legacy and fabric of the club, but as Broken has plainly said, it isn't going to affect anyone's day to day life or ultimate enjoyment. Biggie and Hate will do what pleases them, as does everyone else that posts here. It's a shame to see the Hawks lose two of the better posters to have played for the club, but its no certainty either or both would have remained either way.

 

[Marlowe]

I think there should be a fantasy competition within the Sweet FA so we can work out our desires for new team names/identities without making real change.

This is why I propose the Marlowe Super League. A league for the Koalas. For the Vampires. For the Serpents. For the Vipers. For the Tangerines and the Tittybong Thunder. For that team TiF has, the Shitgibbons? A league for the Phoenix (or I guess the Hawks now).

 

[sausageroll]

I don't know if this re-brand will. I couldn't say, but I have explained why I believe it/others could.

Letting this new guard that are very engaged take the reins somewhat will allow some (can't speak for all) to feel like they have more ownership, for lack of a better term, of their teams. The same way the old guard built teams up over however many years and are now, in my opinion, rubbed the wrong way because their ownership is being threatened.

Again, I'm not saying the league legends need to lie down and let their work crumble around them, but perhaps the ones that have taken more of a backseat should be more accepting of the fact that the newer posters want the opportunity to forge their own histories just as they did and maybe even nurture that impulse. It'll make for longer lasting relationships with the league if posters feel they have the opportunity to shape it. I could very well be wrong though.

Do you realise that very few SFA players forged their own histories through rebranding the clubs thay played for?

Eth is a club legend at the Demons. He didn't rebrand the club. But he and a handfull of others took a Demons side that was struggling and turned it into the club it is now. That's how you forge your own history and become a legend. What makes you think an iconic club needs to be rebranded for someone to forge their own history?

 

[Broken]

I think there should be a fantasy competition within the Sweet FA so we can work out our desires for new team names/identities without making real change.

This is why I propose the Marlowe Super League. A league for the Koalas. For the Vampires. For the Serpents. For the Vipers. For the Tangerines and the Tittybong Thunder. For that team TiF has, the Shitgibbons? A league for the Phoenix (or I guess the Hawks now).

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[Chat Pile]

I guess I’m just saying that rebranding isn’t really necessary to help people feel like they’re having a say/making their mark.

No a re-brand isn't necessary for that to happen, but we can't ignore the myriad of different personalities and points of view that exist and the fact that there was clearly an appetite for it among the more engaged Hawks and it's their right if they're steering the ship. Good or bad, right or wrong.

Again, I recognise that what you’re saying could be argued - I just think it’s a weak argument for why a name change is necessary.

Apologies, you're probably well aware I'm not great at explaining myself. I don't think the name change was necessary, there are 4 or 5 teams I think could use a re-brand before the Hawks, my team included (I wouldn't push for any of them though, because I know all 'this' would happen). I don't even like the name. I do enjoy the logo over the old one though. I just feel like this sort of reaction is why some newer posters might hang back a little. I know that's been the case for me, not wanting to offend or step on toes and I know of a couple others that feel similar. I'm painfully aware it's a minority.

My point was more about change in general. Risks being taken. An unwillingness to let go sometimes, which again, I can 100% understand but don't necessarily feel personally.

This isn't a hill I will die on though, despite the length of these posts. Just something I think we should consider.

 

[Chat Pile]

If it stood up, definitely.

The Demons are quite likely to have surplus posters to QOOTY positions this season which indicates that there's a degree of health in the league that would support expansion. I can't think of any opposition I walked away from last year where I'd have said quantitatively they weren't up to scratch.

Qualitative is all down to posting styles, and potentially a different story, but I'm not here to play god on what constitutes good or bad posting. If the posting was truly awful, the team would suffer its own self-fulfilling outcome - I'm sure it would get rather boring screaming into the void.

Ultimately, clubs can rebadge how they feel, and its their own prerogative. I'm disappointed as a former club captain with the decision because it does impact the legacy and fabric of the club, but as Broken has plainly said, it isn't going to affect anyone's day to day life or ultimate enjoyment. Biggie and Hate will do what pleases them, as does everyone else that posts here. It's a shame to see the Hawks lose two of the better posters to have played for the club, but its no certainty either or both would have remained either way.

That's pretty well said tarks.

"It's a shame to see the Hawks lose two of the better posters to have played for the club,"

I do agree with that completely.

 

[sausageroll]

If it stood up, definitely.

The Demons are quite likely to have surplus posters to QOOTY positions this season which indicates that there's a degree of health in the league that would support expansion. I can't think of any opposition I walked away from last year where I'd have said quantitatively they weren't up to scratch.

Qualitative is all down to posting styles, and potentially a different story, but I'm not here to play god on what constitutes good or bad posting. If the posting was truly awful, the team would suffer its own self-fulfilling outcome - I'm sure it would get rather boring screaming into the void.

Ultimately, clubs can rebadge how they feel, and its their own prerogative. I'm disappointed as a former club captain with the decision because it does impact the legacy and fabric of the club, but as Broken has plainly said, it isn't going to affect anyone's day to day life or ultimate enjoyment. Biggie and Hate will do what pleases them, as does everyone else that posts here. It's a shame to see the Hawks lose two of the better posters to have played for the club, but its no certainty either or both would have remained either way.

Wait a minute; Hate's gone as well?

 

[Broken]

Stand firm Hawks Phoenix. In two seasons time when some other team rebrands to something cool but, ultimately not well received, nobody will give a shit what you've done this week.

 

[Chat Pile]

Do you realise that very few SFA players forged their own histories through rebranding the clubs thay played for?

Eth is a club legend at the Demons. He didn't rebrand the club. But he and a handfull of others took a Demons side that was struggling and turned it into the club it is now. That's how you forge your own history and become a legend. What makes you think an iconic club needs to be rebranded for someone to forge their own history?

If you can do it that way then absolutely brilliant.

But that's not what everyone wants.

Some people want to do it their way, and if they are the ones leading the team and the most engaged then I respect their right.

 

[Chat Pile]

. I just feel like this sort of reaction is why some newer posters might hang back a little. I know that's been the case for me, not wanting to offend or step on toes and I know of a couple others that feel similar.

Just to clarify manangatang, I'm not saying the league legends are a bunch of soft *****. More that I do respect the work they've done, even if this place is pointless, as it set the foundations for me to come and have some fun, so I dont generally like coming in, stomping all over the legends opinions and stating my serious thoughts like I have tonight. Because I haven't been around as long, and in my mind, have less of a say (which also in my mind, is bullshit. Everyone should get a say if they are engaged).

Conflicting thoughts sorry.

 

[sausageroll]

If you can do it that way then absolutely brilliant.

But that's not what everyone wants.

Some people want to do it their way, and if they are the ones leading the team and the most engaged then I respect their right.

I didn't say they don't have the right to change it. I just said it's a sad day for me to see the end of the Hawks, which are an iconic club to me and to see the retirement of one of my all-time favourite posters immediately after the announcement of the rebranding.

Anyway, I'd better let you go. You have a future to forge. I wouldn't want to hold you back with my backward thinking

 

[GWS Goose]

If this were a real sports team/organisation then I would understand the reaction. But it's the internet and it's a fantasy game. If the name of the team was the only thing keeping you around then I feel like perhaps you weren't that bothered about the actual point of this place. That said, it's not my place to tell people what the point of this place is. I get that and I do understand their point of view.

There's constantly new posters coming in, and a portion of them drop off every season. Perhaps if more clubs were willing to let their newer, more engaged posters have a say on the clubs future and look then maybe we might see more rookies stick around for longer.

If we want new posters to feel like this is a place for them we have to be flexible enough to allow these changes to happen without much resistance and complaining (from outside the clubs four walls)

Could this have been handled better? Most probably, but I believe this is the way forward for expanding the league. Not clinging to fabricated pasts.

That said, I do reckon there are a couple of teams I wouldn't agree with a re-branding of. 'History' is important, but we're not going to move forward if we can't let go of anything.

I'm not saying the old guard don't get any say either, they absolutely should. But I get a strong vibe of unwillingness to change in the league. There needs to be a middle ground between drastic overhauls and stuck in stasis.

The history still exists. A name change doesn't erase that. What's more important, the name of a fantasy team or the friends you made along the way?

I can see where you are coming from, but it's just a name in fantasy comp is true. But if things like mean nothing than it all means nothing.
The attachment to a team and all the bollocks of it is part of fun.
Changing things make it mean less.

 

[Chat Pile]

I didn't say they don't have the right to change it. I just said it's a sad day for me to see the end of the Hawks, which are an iconic club to me and to see the retirement of one of my all-time favourite posters immediately after the announcement of the rebranding.

Anyway, I'd better let you go. You have a future to forge. I wouldn't want to hold you back with my backward thinking

Mate, I'm not forging anything was talking about the future sausagerolls of the joint.

 

[Chat Pile]

But if things like mean nothing than it all means nothing.

Have you been reading my diary?

Valid points though Goose.

 

[Chat Pile]

Valid points though Goose.

Valid points that I don't necessarily hold myself.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Do I like the name? No, but my opinion means jack shit because I'm not in this team, I wasn't planning to join this team, and the change hasn't altered that.

I do remember when we rebranded the Furies the bulk of the people who criticised the rebrand had left the furies in previous seasons, and had no plans to come back. Some people seem to think it's up to others to preserve a history they like for clubs they no longer have a connection with.

If you want them to be the Hawks, join the team and change the back. Otherwise who gives a ****

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Just to clarify manangatang, I'm not saying the league legends are a bunch of soft *****. More that I do respect the work they've done, even if this place is pointless, as it set the foundations for me to come and have some fun, so I dont generally like coming in, stomping all over the legends opinions and stating my serious thoughts like I have tonight. Because I haven't been around as long, and in my mind, have less of a say (which also in my mind, is bullshit. Everyone should get a say if they are engaged).

Conflicting thoughts sorry.

I don't think you'd be accused of that. It's a conflicting topic.

I have no issue with a club rebranding as their leaders see fit. I do think that this particular circumstance is much less to do with branding and much more to do with egotism. I also think cultivating the links to the past are a worthwhile practice in a fantasy competition predicated on people's investment of their own time. I, like many, have a fond appreciation of the Hawks as both a player and opponent. The rebranding feels hollow and ill-fitting with what I identify this club with, and I'm sure I'm not alone - but at the end of the day I'm merely an interested onlooker and the people currently making the decisions can feather their own nests.

I'm more than happy to share my distaste for the manner in which its developed, the motives for which I feel it has developed and the impact it is likely to have on my connection with the club though.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Do I like the name? No, but my opinion means jack sh*t because I'm not in this team, I wasn't planning to join this team, and the change hasn't altered that.

I do remember when we rebranded the Furies the bulk of the people who criticised the rebrand had left the furies in previous seasons, and had no plans to come back. Some people seem to think it's up to others to preserve a history they like for clubs they no longer have a connection with.

If you want them to be the Hawks, join the team and change the back. Otherwise who gives a fu**

I received a PM to join the Hawks in S32 funnily enough. A cunningly nefarious plan by Agent93 to leave me without a team this season, I now see in hindsight.

 

[GWS Goose]

Do I like the name? No, but my opinion means jack sh*t because I'm not in this team, I wasn't planning to join this team, and the change hasn't altered that.

I do remember when we rebranded the Furies the bulk of the people who criticised the rebrand had left the furies in previous seasons, and had no plans to come back. Some people seem to think it's up to others to preserve a history they like for clubs they no longer have a connection with.

If you want them to be the Hawks, join the team and change the back. Otherwise who gives a fu**

Im the reverse.
The actual name is fine, the logo is pretty good.
My issue is that the change as alienated current club legends and former players.
You got to wonder to what end.

 

[Chat Pile]

I don't think you'd be accused of that. It's a conflicting topic.

I have no issue with a club rebranding as their leaders see fit. I do think that this is much less to do with branding and much more to do with egotism. I also think cultivating the links to the past are a worthwhile practice in a fantasy competition predicated on people's investment of their own time. I, like many, have a fond appreciation of the Hawks as both a player and opponent. The rebranding feels hollow and ill-fitting with what I identify this club with, and I'm sure I'm not alone - but at the end of the day I'm merely an interested onlooker and the people currently making the decisions can feather their own nests.

I'm more than happy to share my distaste for the manner in which its developed, the motives for which I feel it has developed and the impact it is likely to have on my connection with the club though.

Can't argue any of that. The optics of it clearly weren't great.

You're pretty persuasive

Out of my head daemon!

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Im the reverse.
The actual name is fine, the logo is pretty good.
My issue is that the change as alienated current club legends and former players.
You got to wonder to what end.

I don't get the angst of former players

We had guys complaining, saying we had destroyed the furies and everything they loved about the club (it's Richmond identity). But almost all of them left the furies because they liked being in a side made up of a variety of supporters.

It's like some vets expect their former club to be shoved in a museum after they leave

 

[Tarkyn_24]

I don't get the angst of former players

We had guys complaining, saying we had destroyed the furies and everything they loved about the club (it's Richmond identity). But almost all of them left the furies because they liked being in a side made up of a variety of supporters.

It's like some vets expect their former club to be shoved in a museum after they leave

Shoving the Furies in a museum would've been far kinder than what actually eventuated tbf.