Eddie McGuire makes on-air gaffe about Adam Goodes and King Kong

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Is it any wonder we are generations away from racial tolerance.
I have an 8 year old at school and I'm telling you these kids have no concept of the racism some are hypervetilating about on these forums and in the media.
Her class has reps from just about every minority in the country.
They all discussed the newspaper stories regarding Goodes.
They all had to have both the "offense" and the "outrage" explained to them....which is a good thing.


My 22 year old has great friends who are every color, sexual preference and every ethnic background.

It is the older generation who lag behind on racial matters and who are perpetuating discrimination, but they will all be dead soon enough.
 
However, she is spot on in this instance.


If she's right, she's right like a broken clock. She is certainly not "spot on" as she obviously doesn't have a ****ing clue what she's talking about.
Reading that article was about as edifying as overhearing someone tell a friend about the whole thing over the phone on a train after just having read about it in Mx themselves.

Also; "Bleak City"? What a ****ing w***er.
 
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The boys' club. It's an old network of sticky and entrenched favours, debts and friendships. From within they can't imagine what it looks like from the outside anymore.

It's a form of inbreeding, that chokes free thought and opinion unless aligned with those in the Club.

To justify the behaviour they spew PR using words like the brand, integrity, disrepute and so on.

For the sport to thrive, the old boys need to move on. Move the crusted on thinkers, the arrogant and shameless. Move them on before they contaminate another generation of coaches,administrators and players.

Diversity is the antidote.

Bring in women, non-footballers, moral leaders and those who will fearlessly support AFL rules and laws in the face of bullies.

For those tired, crusted-on hanger-ons, from within the creaking halls of the boy's club here are some basic rules:

- treat every coach and administrator just like you would treat James Hird
- treat every player (including the young Canberra player) as though he or she were an AFL Commissioner's son or daughter.
 

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Bullshit. I understand how rank racism is. I'm ******* angry at it. And I'm angry at the lazy quasi-solution all of you ever-so-well-meaning people have opted to respond to it with.
If you understood how rank racism was, you wouldn't be dismissing acts of racism. The 'lazy quasi-solution' that all the PC-mad leftie luvvies (as they seem to be regarded as) is really quite simple. An admission that racist comments are wrong...no ifs, not buts, no attempts to excuse the racism. If the person doesn't understand why it's racist, then a simple explanation of why it is wrong will educate them not to do it again.

The ridiculous thing is, the girl that started this seems to understand this. She accepted that she hurt Goodes and apologised for it. Yet there are still a number of people here trying to excuse racism for any number of reasons.
 
Lucky we don't live in Afghanistan. The Afghanistan Football League (AFL) and the Afghanistan Press Council (APC) would have had that girl and Eddie buried to their waist and stoned to death and most of you here would have purchased stones ready for the stoning, 5 Afghan afghani a bucket, its a big bucket too. Plenty of stones left over for the next poor soul that says something you don't like. If its racism you are after go to Poland. They say things to you with sticks, boots, beer bottles, guns etc.

Your right to an opinion is hereby terminated.
 
Lucky we don't live in Afghanistan. The Afghanistan Football League (AFL) and the Afghanistan Press Council (APC) would have had that girl and Eddie buried to their waist and stoned to death and most of you here would have purchased stones ready for the stoning, 5 Afghan afghani a bucket, its a big bucket too. Plenty of stones left over for the next poor soul that says something you don't like. If its racism you are after go to Poland. They say things to you with sticks, boots, beer bottles, guns etc.

Your right to an opinion is hereby terminated.

If Eddie is accountable, everyone from within the game needs to be.
 
If you understood how rank racism was, you wouldn't be dismissing acts of racism.
FFS. In no way have I done that. I have asserted that an act of racism can be perceived without actually existing, and that it's patronizing to go through the motions of redressing racism with no discussion of whether it was legitimately present or not.

The 'lazy quasi-solution' that all the PC-mad leftie luvvies (as they seem to be regarded as) is really quite simple. An admission that racist comments are wrong...no ifs, not buts, no attempts to excuse the racism.

Overly simple, to the detriment of what I would assume your goals to be. Ending racism and lessening it's impact in society as quickly as possible.
Of course racism is wrong. Morally, and as a concept. I would never advocate excusing racism. But you are advocating throwing in anything that resembles racism and shares some effects of racism into the box of racism. Lazy and self-serving.

If the person doesn't understand why it's racist, then a simple explanation of why it is wrong will educate them not to do it again.
This (apegate) is not an example of someone being racist and not understanding they were being racist. This is a case of someone being mistaken as a racist.
"Big Hairy Ape" as in you're a huge, hairy, dumb man is not a racist insult.
"Big Hairy Ape" as in you're a huge, hairy, aboriginal man is a racist insult.
I personally believe it to be far more likely the girl intended the former rather than the latter. It matters which. If it's the former, "apegate" is an example of someone being ignorant of racist ideas and responsible adults filling her in on them to assure themselves she'll never use them "again".
But everyone (Adam Goodes included) should be required to confront the very real possibility that she wasn't using a racist idea in the first place. "Ape" as an insult has not been synonymous with "aboriginal" for a very long time. This is a good thing.
This is natural social progress that many people have unwittingly undermined in a dumb scramble to get on the safe side of an emotive issue.

The ridiculous thing is, the girl that started this seems to understand this. She accepted that she hurt Goodes and apologised for it.

It's good that she apologised for accidentally hurting someone. It's bad that you've chosen to take this apology as an admission of guilt. It's also bad that everyone had decided what happened and comprehensively responded to it before examining it in any meaningful way.
The examining is the most helpful part, whatever the outcome.
 
This (apegate) is not an example of someone being racist and not understanding they were being racist. This is a case of someone being mistaken as a racist.

Will have to agree to disagree...I note that she didn't call any other big guys ape, only Adam Goodes. And if anyone says it's because he looks like an ape, I swear my bloody head will explode. She may not have known the history and context of the word, but she knew enough to throw it at a black man and no one else. She might be an accidental or ignorant racist, but racist it was.
 
Will have to agree to disagree...I note that she didn't call any other big guys ape, only Adam Goodes.
How could you have possibly noted that? Were you sitting next to her? For how long? All game? All season?

And if anyone says it's because he looks like an ape, I swear my bloody head will explode.
...tempting...
Naaah.
She may not have known the history and context of the word, but she knew enough to throw it at a black man and no one else. She might be an accidental or ignorant racist, but racist it was.

This is an assumption that you have made with no legitimate basis. Why make it? My suspicion is; to feel comfortable.
 
Will have to agree to disagree...I note that she didn't call any other big guys ape, only Adam Goodes. And if anyone says it's because he looks like an ape, I swear my bloody head will explode. She may not have known the history and context of the word, but she knew enough to throw it at a black man and no one else. She might be an accidental or ignorant racist, but racist it was.


Hey Jack, just want to know how you know that she hasn't said that to any other player ever, ever, ever in the history of her short lived AFL spectatorship? Have you sat beside this girl every time she has been to the football and taken notes and only noted on this occasion she said that?? NO....I doubt it. Your comment is you having an opinion, which is what every one else here is having. But your opinion has no factual basis since you weren't there.
 
How could you have possibly noted that? Were you sitting next to her? For how long? All game? All season?


...tempting...
Naaah.


This is an assumption that you have made with no legitimate basis. Why make it? My suspicion is; to feel comfortable.


I most humbly agree with you mate.
 

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If she had, you don't think it would have come out in her defence? It's a logical assumption, you can choose not to make it because it supports your cause if you like.


You and others like you have placed this girl on public trial with all of you being the prosecutor, judge and jury. I am sure you have never done anything wrong in your life and for that you will go to heaven, so you can sleep soundly tonight knowing that your spot up there is safe. Well done to you sir. So go and buy your bucket of stones and get this public display of righteousness over and done with and simply stone this girl to death with your ill informed comments
 
If she had, you don't think it would have come out in her defence? It's a logical assumption, you can choose not to make it because it supports your cause if you like.



Logical though it may be, it's still pretty tenuous. They seemed pretty overwhelmed by the situation in the 30 seconds of airtime they had. They didn't seem like they'd ever watched "Ally McBeal" let alone enrolled in Law School. And I'm pretty sure the mother did say (voice shaky and looking like a deer in the headlights)that her daughter had no idea it was a racist word.
And to be truthful, not a lot of media seemed particularly interested in anything they had to say anyway, beyond checking off a soundbite, so if she had trotted a previous use of the word out in her defense I doubt we'd have heard about it.
Wouldn't fit the narrative they've gone with...
 
Logical though it may be, it's still pretty tenuous. They seemed pretty overwhelmed by the situation in the 30 seconds of airtime they had. They didn't seem like they'd ever watched "Ally McBeal" let alone enrolled in Law School. And I'm pretty sure the mother did say (voice shaky and looking like a deer in the headlights)that her daughter had no idea it was a racist word.
And to be truthful, not a lot of media seemed particularly interested in anything they had to say anyway, so if she had trotted a previous use of the word out in her defense I doubt we'd have heard about it.
Wouldn't fit the narrative they've gone with...
Every opinion is tenuous, other than that of the girl in question, since no one is privvy to what she was thinking at the time. Some people believe she is some harmless innocent caught up in adult concepts she has no inkling of, others think she's a racist bogan. I tend to think the answer, as it so often does, lies somewhere in the middle.

The narrative the media went with very quickly (probably at the AFL's urging) was not to turn this girl into a pariah, and rightfully so. That doesn't mean I am going to buy into the whole story when other equally (and in some cases more) likely explanations exist.
 
What?

That happens everywhere.

You for real?

I've yet to meet an Australian or an English-speaker from anywhere besides the States who honestly believes he/she does not have an accent. Whilst many Yanks truly believe theirs is 'neutral' so-to-speak (i.e Me, have an accent? What are you talking about? lol). Anyway it was just an analogy to illustrate a point, no need to get your knickers in a twist over it.

He was born in brazil he's Brazilian that's how nationality works.

Oh you're absolute right that's why Nicole Kidman is within her rights to claim she's an indigenous Hawaiian and American, whatever that means.

I wonder how fluent Mr O'Brien is in speaking in an indigenous Brazlian language or Portuguese and how an average Brazilian from Brazil would perceive him.
 
Every opinion is tenuous,
Well sure, but I was referring to your assumption that she must never have called a white bloke an ape because she didn't expressly say she ever had, as far as you or me have heard.
other than that of the girl in question, since no one is privvy to what she was thinking at the time. Some people believe she is some harmless innocent caught up in adult concepts she has no inkling of, others think she's a racist bogan. I tend to think the answer, as it so often does, lies somewhere in the middle.

The narrative the media went with very quickly (probably at the AFL's urging) was not to turn this girl into a pariah, and rightfully so. That doesn't mean I am going to buy into the whole story when other equally (and in some cases more) likely explanations exist.

Yeah, agreed. They still went a bit too far and did their jobs too little, for mine. It would have been good to actually get a skilled interviewer who was capable of putting the girl at ease to get to the bottom of her motivations. Lets face it, a 13 year old girl should not be able to hide much from a grown and capable journalist, should she? And there should never be a need to identify her. That's counter-productive.

But, alas, the professional shills that the media have opted to become instead of journalists could see how the story was going to pan out from a mile away. They put the wheels in motion an executed with a minimum of fuss(ne, thought). They made a lot of money, everyone had a great time getting their danders up, and no-one really learned a ****ing thing.
 
Will have to agree to disagree...I note that she didn't call any other big guys ape, only Adam Goodes. And if anyone says it's because he looks like an ape, I swear my bloody head will explode. She may not have known the history and context of the word, but she knew enough to throw it at a black man and no one else. She might be an accidental or ignorant racist, but racist it was.

That's a baseless assertion. The girl shouted at the only Swans player that came close enough. She may very well have said the same thing to another player.
 
Well sure, but I was referring to your assumption that she must never have called a white bloke an ape because she didn't expressly say she ever had, as far as you or me have heard.


Yeah, agreed. They still went a bit too far and did their jobs too little, for mine. It would have been good to actually get a skilled interviewer who was capable of putting the girl at ease to get to the bottom of her motivations. Lets face it, a 13 year old girl should not be able to hide much from a grown and capable journalist, should she? And there should never be a need to identify her. That's counter-productive.

But, alas, the professional shills that the media have opted to become instead of journalists could see how the story was going to pan out from a mile away. They put the wheels in motion an executed with a minimum of fuss(ne, thought). They made a lot of money, everyone had a great time getting their danders up, and no-one really learned a ******* thing.
On the flip side, what if the journalist had gotten to the bottom of her motivations and found out she was a racist bogan...there was still nothing to be gained by hanging her out to dry that way. The end result would be the same as it is now. As for identification, that's a non-issue...it happened on live TV, she was identifiable.
 
Too much double standards in racism. Harry sitting there saying how hurtful and disappointing it is to hear Eddies comments , yet he goes and sledges Hawkins and tries to justify he wasnt being homophobic by calling Hawkings a "fat f$!@" instead. Yeah good one Harry , that's logic

Why is one more hurtful than the other in the eye of Harry.

Likewise Goodes effort on Gibson a few weeks back. Then Hird a few years ago. You can hurt someone physically and that's accepted? As its in the game ? Yet you are called words in a game and that's borderline murder?
 
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Every opinion is tenuous, other than that of the girl in question, since no one is privvy to what she was thinking at the time. Some people believe she is some harmless innocent caught up in adult concepts she has no inkling of, others think she's a racist bogan. I tend to think the answer, as it so often does, lies somewhere in the middle.

The narrative the media went with very quickly (probably at the AFL's urging) was not to turn this girl into a pariah, and rightfully so. That doesn't mean I am going to buy into the whole story when other equally (and in some cases more) likely explanations exist.

Its a pity the media did not give this girl the same rights that they are obliged to afford the common murderer or rapist they happily plaster all over the TV, ie, they have to use the word "alledgedly" when describing a crime they know they have committed, they are given the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty and they have to pixel out their face. They have also, like you, used the word "her defence" which means they know very well they have put her on trial. Channel 7 also knew that they had broken the ACMA and the ACTA codes of practice by putting her face on TV. This would explain the "not wanting parading her like a pariah". A consequence of live TV? No it wasn't, its a delayed telecast by several seconds (GP's have 10 in case there is a serious accident), the director had plenty of time to pixel her out but chose not to.

But this girl had no such opportunity. She was guilty as soon as he pointed his finger at her and the whole country sentenced her immediately. Comments were on blogs within 2 minutes of the telecast.

But more and more in this country you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. Trial by media and by blog is now part of the norm, something we have to all live with. I hope nothing happens to any of you oneday and you are subjected to what she has gone through.

As for Eddie, he has no no such explanation (notice I didn't use the word defence) he is just an idiot.
 

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