Eddie McGuire makes on-air gaffe about Adam Goodes and King Kong

[gPhonque]

I'm torn on this issue.

On one hand, this is awesome. I love sinking the boots into Eddie. I can't stand him. He has been saying inappropriate things to guests on his tv shows for years, and it's good to see him finally get called out for it.

But on the other hand, I think this has (as with everything in the football media circus these days) been blown massively out of proportion.

I think it was pretty obvious that Eddie was simply connecting the King Kong thing with the "ape incident" of last Friday night... NOT with Adam Goodes directly.

In fact, Eddie would NEVER have said that, or connected Goodes with King Kong, if the "ape incident" had never happened.

Never. He was simply, and clumsily, referring to the racism incident that had already occurred.

Inappropriate, sure. But not racist.


PS. Harry O'Brien - go **** yourself. ****ing hypocrite.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Apparently there's also a premiership season in full swing

Honestly can't we focus on football? Not having a shot at this thread/board, rather the media.

Can't bake your cake and eat it too brother.Eddie's high media profile gives the Pies a huge advantage when it comes to Sponsorship etc.When things go pear shaped like yesterday you can't expect the media to turn a blind eye.

 

[entourage]

Can't bake your cake and eat it too brother.Eddie's high media profile gives the Pies a huge advantage when it comes to Sponsorship etc.When things go pear shaped like yesterday you can't expect the media to turn a blind eye.

Not suggesting that mate I'm simply saying I find it sad that actual football games seem to always take the back seat when there's a scandal/drama to publicise.
Same goes for the ASADA stuff whenever some minor leak is revealed.
This season just seems to be worse than previous.

 

[Ari]

If we can't question people's choices then we can't question their actions. That is a slippery slope

It sure is. This can't end well.

 

[Great 2008]

Darcy was talking about the new musical. "What a great promo that is, for King Kong," he said.

To which McGuire replied: "Get Adam Goodes down for it, d'you reckon?"


Priceless very funny.......exactly what it was meant to be. He never called him an ape. First we get our knickers in a knot over a name calling by a kid and now this. Give me a break. The thought police need to give it a rest......and before you arrive in force my wife is indigenous and barracks for the Swans!

 

[the distributer]

Absolute madness!!

We're all going mad.

 

[Roby]

But on the other hand, I think this has (as with everything in the football media circus these days) been blown massively out of proportion.

I think it was pretty obvious that Eddie was simply connecting the King Kong thing with the "ape incident" of last Friday night... NOT with Adam Goodes directly.

In fact, Eddie would NEVER have said that, or connected Goodes with King Kong, if the "ape incident" had never happened.

And if all the Aborigines in Tasmania had not been wiped out we may not be having this conversation.

 

[TerryWallet]

http://www.theage.com.au/executive-...getting-real-about-racism-20130529-2nb9h.html

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Maybe in your opinion mate, not mine, Goodes made a fool of himself IMO and the mainstream media made him out to be some sort of hero, and chances are he misunderstood what the girl meant by the comment, he called the girl a racist on prime time national television, are you telling me you're 100% certain the girl meant the comment to be racial?

Seriously just stop repeating the same shit over and over again - it makes you look more stupid and pathetic than you are.

 

[carnthemlions]

EDDIE McGuire is of course a bigger racist than the 13-year-old girl he helped to smear last week. But I blame the AFL's Indigenous Round.
First, let's compare. On Friday, a 13-year-old Collingwood fan at the football with her Nan shouts "ape" at bearded Sydney player Adam Goodes.
She said later she did not mean the word in a racist way and tried to apologise when she was told he was upset. Yet this girl, as old as my year 7 son, was pointed out by Goodes to security staff, who marched her out of the stadium.
She was grilled by police for two hours, initially without her grandmother present, and threatened with charges. Her face was shown on national TV and she was publicly branded a racist.
On Saturday Goodes absurdly declared "racism had a face - and it was a 13-year-old girl".
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...he-game-of-footy/story-fni0ffxg-1226653250191

Guess i'm not the only one who thinks Goodes may have overreacted.

ahahahahahahahahaahahahaha
How surprising that you agree with Andrew Bolt. I also loved the fact that he blames indigenous round. Great stuff

As to what you added- if anything, that weakens your argument. If you agree with Bolt, 99% of the time you're going to be wrong. Of course, Andrew does know a thing or two about overreacting...

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

EDDIE McGuire is of course a bigger racist than the 13-year-old girl he helped to smear last week. But I blame the AFL's Indigenous Round.
First, let's compare. On Friday, a 13-year-old Collingwood fan at the football with her Nan shouts "ape" at bearded Sydney player Adam Goodes.
She said later she did not mean the word in a racist way and tried to apologise when she was told he was upset. Yet this girl, as old as my year 7 son, was pointed out by Goodes to security staff, who marched her out of the stadium.
She was grilled by police for two hours, initially without her grandmother present, and threatened with charges. Her face was shown on national TV and she was publicly branded a racist.
On Saturday Goodes absurdly declared "racism had a face - and it was a 13-year-old girl".
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...he-game-of-footy/story-fni0ffxg-1226653250191

Guess i'm not the only one who thinks Goodes may have overreacted.

with Andrew Bolt you are in fine comapny...

 

[doggies ftw]

I don't think what Eddie was trying to say was racist at all.

I think he was trying to say that in less "enlightened" times, promoters of the show would have used the current media focus on the word ape to promote the King Kong show and that they would have been prepared to exploit Adam Goodes to achieve this aim. I think he was actually being critical of past attitudes on the matter of racism and exploitation.

But then, I don't really like Eddie so I'm happy to see him thrown under a bus and I'll just pray I never jumble my words and end up in a similar position.

Yeah thats exactly what I was thinking, he was just trying to say that the media focus in town about the word 'ape' would be good publicity, he just ****ed it up. Surely he isn't stupid enough to blatantly call Adam Goodes an ape especially so soon after Friday!

Just a massive overreaction IMO, and to stand down as president over this issue is a joke. As people have stated, why don't we try to take action over the drug use in our game rather than this petty little issue.

Not to Adam Goodes it doesn't.

Everybody seems to be looking at it from everyone's view except for Goodes. He is clearly angry about it.

Well maybe Adam Goodes just needs to harden up a tad then, surely you can't take something so minor to heart. Its alright to call players Rapists, Fat ****s, every other offensive name under the sun, etc etc but you better not call Goodes an ape... HATE CRIME! HATE CRIME!

 

[KrakFiend]

Darcy was talking about the new musical. "What a great promo that is, for King Kong," he said.

To which McGuire replied: "Get Adam Goodes down for it, d'you reckon?"


Priceless very funny.......exactly what it was meant to be. He never called him an ape. First we get our knickers in a knot over a name calling by a kid and now this. Give me a break. The thought police need to give it a rest......and before you arrive in force my wife is indigenous and barracks for the Swans!

Exactly. People are trying to suggest Eddie was drawing the link King Kong = monkey = Adam Goodes = racist comment.

What he was clumsily and pretty stupidly doing was trying to link the fact that week's major controversy involved references to an ape with the promotion of a show about an ape, and the fact that people caught up in these sorts of things are targeted by promoters.

I don't think there was any way to make the joke in a way that wouldn't be taken offensively given it is a national pastime to be offended so he his judgement was lacking, but racist he wasn't.

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

I was living in the Kimberley when Rudd made his famous bleeding heart apology. The first I heard/noticed about the apology from any aboriginal was a kid wearing a tshirt that said, "sorry" on the front and "about your face" on the back. Indigenous people aren't all crying into their pillow every night about their circumstances and something mean someone might have once said to them...

Wow. You saw a kid in the Kimberley with a t-shirt that said sorry about your face and now you know everything about every aboriginal in Australia. Congratulations to you.

 

[the distributer]

ahahahahahahahahaahahahaha
How surprising that you agree with Andrew Bolt. I also loved the fact that he blames indigenous round. Great stuff

As to what you added- if anything, that weakens your argument. If you agree with Bolt, 99% of the time you're going to be wrong. Of course, Andrew does know a thing or two about overreacting...

Wrong according to who? you?

TBH i don't even know who Bolt is, i don't know anything about him, but i agree 100% with what he said.

 

[Glacier]

*Post ignorant comment about racism. Complain that it's PC gone mad to cloak your inherent racism.

*Receive Like from DogDays.

*Feel vindicated by fellow moron and continue to display ignorance.

*Explain that white fella can also be big and hairy, over and over while continuing to miss the point entirely.

The best post of the thread

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

EDDIE McGuire is of course a bigger racist than the 13-year-old girl he helped to smear last week. But I blame the AFL's Indigenous Round.
First, let's compare. On Friday, a 13-year-old Collingwood fan at the football with her Nan shouts "ape" at bearded Sydney player Adam Goodes.
She said later she did not mean the word in a racist way and tried to apologise when she was told he was upset. Yet this girl, as old as my year 7 son, was pointed out by Goodes to security staff, who marched her out of the stadium.
She was grilled by police for two hours, initially without her grandmother present, and threatened with charges. Her face was shown on national TV and she was publicly branded a racist.
On Saturday Goodes absurdly declared "racism had a face - and it was a 13-year-old girl".
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...he-game-of-footy/story-fni0ffxg-1226653250191

Guess i'm not the only one who thinks Goodes may have overreacted.

Well if you're quoting Andrew Bolt, the man who was tried and found guilty of inventing his own facts to suit his racist argument, you really are clutching at straws.

As to the rest of it, who's to say things might have been handled differently in a less-charged atmosphere than a football match with tens of thousands present, and hundreds of thousands watching on television.

Have you had much experience of being a high-profile footballer, of playing in front of huge and vocal crowds every week for years on end?

Me neither, so who are we to say there might have been a better way to handle it.

But he responded instantly, and decisively, to something which is simply not acceptable, and to me has only grown in stature.

Finally, I concede that that quote from Goodes is cringeworthy, and I seriously doubt he came up with it. If he did indeed say it (and it doesn't at all sound like the way he speaks; in fact has all the hallmarks of a Herald-Sun headline, don't you think?), I can only imagine it was fed to him by some media advisor who probably should have just left Adam to speak in his usual eloquent fashion.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Not suggesting that mate I'm simply saying I find it sad that actual football games seem to always take the back seat when there's a scandal/drama to publicise.
Same goes for the ASADA stuff whenever some minor leak is revealed.
This season just seems to be worse than previous.

Fair enough.It's shaping up to be a season too forget thats for sure.

 

[nutcase888]

eddie sold out one of his own members, a 13 year old girl, in the name of political correctness so he deserves whatever he gets. its called karma.
having said that he hasnt done anything wrong and shouldnt have to resign.

 

[raffrox]

*Post ignorant comment about racism. Complain that it's PC gone mad to cloak your inherent racism.

*Receive Like from DogDays.

*Feel vindicated by fellow moron and continue to display ignorance.

*Explain that white fella can also be big and hairy, over and over while continuing to miss the point entirely.

Can I like a post more than once? Sums it up nicely.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

*Post ignorant comment about racism. Complain that it's PC gone mad to cloak your inherent racism.

*Receive Like from DogDays.

*Feel vindicated by fellow moron and continue to display ignorance.

*Explain that white fella can also be big and hairy, over and over while continuing to miss the point entirely.

And there, we have it in one. Beautifully encapsulated.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Yes, but you're talking here about a historical fact, and facts do not constitute a historical narrative, or to use your words, 'story'.

That Edward II lived and died tells us nothing; his life must be placed within its proper context, narrative, whatever you want to call it.

And by the way, I don't see how you can believe Edward II existed with such certainty but not Jesus. The source material is different, but it is there.

Untrue, we have Archaerlogical existence as we have his bones, we have multiple contemporary sources by eyewitnesses, and he is mentioned by contemporary third parties.

We have none of that for Jesus.

EDIT: Regardless this is seriously digressing, I wont reply to your rebuttal on here but if you like we can continue the discussion through PM's.

 

[Monkey King]

In my opinion, people who scoff and use the term " political correctness" to deflect their own mistakes or prejudices are ignorant fools who will never be able to walk in another's shoes simply because they dare not to

What about those who scoff and use the term "political correctness" but aren't deflecting their own mistakes or prejudices? Are they also ignorant fools who will never be able to walk in another's shoes?

A second round of questions at this point regarding your shoe-walking abilities ... given you've taken such a stance of superiority and all - Have you ever had involvement with remote Indigenous communities? Have you ever lived abroad longterm in cultures different to your own? Have you ever had a longterm relationship with someone of a different race or culture to yourself? Do you have children who share an ethnicity different to your own? Have you ever sacrificed even half a year in the service of those from another race or culture who are less fortunate than yourself?

 

[SBYM]

My family were dreadfully racist. Ignorant really, rather than hateful. But racist they were. Three generations from what I could see - my siblings, my parents and their parents. I was at odds from them all from a very young age. I couldn't stand the racial comments, the name calling. Thought it was totally disrespectful. I have three older sisters, and their language still often mimics that of my long gone parents.

My father was mortified when I marched in an anti-apartheid rally when I was 14 or when I had friends from different cultures. The arguments we had when Australia's first "boat people" (Vietnamese) started to live in our community in Canberra in the 70s were often and intense.

My sisters will tell you they aren't racist, but in the next breath have no problems describing people from other cultures using disparaging words. Kids learn their attitudes generally from their parents. A simple throw away remark from you while watching a TV show, becomes acceptable and the norm for them.

I don't know why I am different to my family... but I am very grateful.

Good on you for breaking that cycle. Sometimes all it takes is one family member to 'make the stand', and hopefully your influence will positively affect your own children and your nephews/nieces (if any) for the future.

 

[vast]

I cant understand how so many people are saying they cant understand how calling an indigenous person an ape isnt racist. Most then automatically switch to the Dunstall example. Its so embarrassing, I thought the world was getting better with these attitudes but I guess the old saying about people just hiding it better is truer than ever.

To me its a reflection of the bullying in society, particularly in this country. Its common to get mad at a person who got offended by something we said just coz they want to he able to insult people and have them suck it up.