We should use a late draft pick on Tim Watson to help out our new baby bombers again
Recruiting EFC Trade/Draft Talk II with F/A rules in OP - Billings for a fourth rounder the latest rumour
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Ideally:
4- Francis- Intercept/Rebounding defender with a booming kick and contested/intercept marking ability
5- Weideman- Is injury prone, but an explosive CHF with a straight kick and sticky hands
24- Clarke- Run and carry mid who can hurt by foot and runs all day
25- Lovell- Explosive small mid with elite pace and solid build for small guy
57- M Brown or Hartley- Both mature aged VFL players who are key defenders, Brown with more flexibility being able to swing forward
4- Francis- Intercept/Rebounding defender with a booming kick and contested/intercept marking ability
5- Weideman- Is injury prone, but an explosive CHF with a straight kick and sticky hands
24- Clarke- Run and carry mid who can hurt by foot and runs all day
25- Lovell- Explosive small mid with elite pace and solid build for small guy
57- M Brown or Hartley- Both mature aged VFL players who are key defenders, Brown with more flexibility being able to swing forward
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Trouble is he will not be working with Joey until 2018, maybe 2019 if he turns out ok.
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I'd seriously consider Collins with pick 5. He's the second best tall defender after Weitering. And hope that Burton slips to 24.
Most key forwards dont start getting regular game time until a few seasons in. Do you think the other option curnow would be better? Hed make an impact but im not sold on him being a ff/chf yet.
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I think the main argument to have over us taking Weideman at 4/5 is whether it is because he is who we should take (the best player available) or the player we feel we need to take (because he is a key forward). I can't say which he is since he hardly played this year, so I haven't see him. However, if we were to take him at 4/5 -- which it seems we will -- I would trust Dodoro and Keane to be making the decision based on the fact he's the best available.
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If we have to wait 3-4 years for our new KPF to become good enough to be getting regular games then maybe we're better off getting one of the lesser ones in the second round (Burton, Skinner etc) and recruiting Grimely to fill the immediate need. Grimely won't cost us anything and is probably as good if not better than Brown/Hartley.
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Wayne Milera. Well if you type his name into you tube and take a look you instantly say where do i sign but the trouble with you tube is it is a high light
and does not pick out the rest. He is very lightly framed which is the first risk as he can get bowled over easily. Secondly there is a big gap between his best games and some of the other games i have seen. Despite being elusive he is not super quick in a straight line and tends to get out of trouble more with his fancy foot work.
His defensive side is not all that flash either and his tackling is nothing to write home about.
The plus side is he is a good user of the ball, makes good decisions in close, is very quick to fire out a handball and is a reliable shot for goal.
Good mark for a bloke his side and is clean at ground level and is a handy stoppage player. The fact that he has played a fair bit of senior footy in the SANFL is an obvious plus.
He is a player i just struggle to judge. His best is exciting and very good but he just has to get bigger and for the same reason i have gone away from Parish
i have worries about this bloke ever being big enough. He could come in and play like Jake Neade but for how long until his body is beaten up.
He is good but for where we are at i would say no at 4 or 5. Would love him to slide as in a strong year he would be more of a second round type, not sure he will.
and does not pick out the rest. He is very lightly framed which is the first risk as he can get bowled over easily. Secondly there is a big gap between his best games and some of the other games i have seen. Despite being elusive he is not super quick in a straight line and tends to get out of trouble more with his fancy foot work.
His defensive side is not all that flash either and his tackling is nothing to write home about.
The plus side is he is a good user of the ball, makes good decisions in close, is very quick to fire out a handball and is a reliable shot for goal.
Good mark for a bloke his side and is clean at ground level and is a handy stoppage player. The fact that he has played a fair bit of senior footy in the SANFL is an obvious plus.
He is a player i just struggle to judge. His best is exciting and very good but he just has to get bigger and for the same reason i have gone away from Parish
i have worries about this bloke ever being big enough. He could come in and play like Jake Neade but for how long until his body is beaten up.
He is good but for where we are at i would say no at 4 or 5. Would love him to slide as in a strong year he would be more of a second round type, not sure he will.
That's fine. Shortcuts have got us nowhere in recent times. We have 1 KPF on our list and he can't kick for shit and will never be able to kick for shit.
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Curnow may not end up being a KP forward but if he is good enough he will play next year. If he makes it as a forward he will be more of a Darling style forward but i really have liked his early season midfield work as well. He was good in a few games i saw. With the Falcons having a strong midfield he was not used there much after his injury.
Weideman just worries me a little, if you are taking a KP player early (inside top 10) you really want to be taking a super high rated one and i am just not sure
Weideman is as good as few others taken early in the last few years.
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And it is no good over reaching for one in a weaker draft.
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It's Weideman not Weiderman.
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Which is fine, if the club think there are better options than him I don't think they will take him. But if he is taken and requires that time to develop I hope they give it to him - we've had too many projects of late that have been canned at an early stage.
Can't think of to many players making it that don't get a gigg by year 3 that end up being top 30 best players. I know that sounds silly but Even the top kpp's seem to be getting a gig year 1 and in the 22 by year 2.
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I will just say, I still don't think Woosha's immediate decision to put Hooker back was the best decision. It would have been smarter imo to wait until we see what our list is like before saying that.
There seems to be a lot more quality KPDs available this year too.
There seems to be a lot more quality KPDs available this year too.
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We have Leuenberger so we can play McKernan or Bellchambers in the forward half if needed. With Carlisle gone we had to move Hooker back.
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The prospect of Bellchambers as a KPF kind of confirms my point. But yeah, I'd agree with Mckernan. He seems our best bet to make it as a forward to partner Joe after Superfood Hooker.
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ant555 what are the KPP's in 2016 shaping up as? Could we sign a Grimley (for example) and wait till next years supposedly stronger draFt on a KPP?
It seems like Weidemann is/has moved up into that top 5/6 most talked up players it seems whilst Curnow has cooled gently.
One player that intrigues me is Harley Balic. Not a player destined for us (as better are available) but one who I have a hunch could turn into a reasonably good player and may surprise a few come draft night.
It seems like Weidemann is/has moved up into that top 5/6 most talked up players it seems whilst Curnow has cooled gently.
One player that intrigues me is Harley Balic. Not a player destined for us (as better are available) but one who I have a hunch could turn into a reasonably good player and may surprise a few come draft night.
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Luke Partington. I guess when you are reviewing all the midfielders you tend to see why the draft is rated weaker. there just seem to be a lot of good midfielders described as jack of all trades and Partington sits in this box. Another who is only 75kg so there is the risk. From here though it is sort of the same.
Good kick without being close to elite. Pace above average but nothing special. Outside game is stronger and he finds space and the ball and runs to the right spots which is his biggest strength. Inside game good and has shown some solid clearance work but still needs work and is handy in traffic . Generally makes good decisions with ball in hand.
Does not kick a lot of goals but has had a few good forward games..
With Partington i suspect if he puts on 8 to 10kg you will get a good best 22 midfielder but not the star of the side. He would be your 3rd to 4th best mid if he comes on and a player who could be a 25 possession a week player. The area of the draft he is being looked at , 20 plus is about where he should be.
If he where to come to us at 24 or 25 it would seem the right sort of pick.
Good kick without being close to elite. Pace above average but nothing special. Outside game is stronger and he finds space and the ball and runs to the right spots which is his biggest strength. Inside game good and has shown some solid clearance work but still needs work and is handy in traffic . Generally makes good decisions with ball in hand.
Does not kick a lot of goals but has had a few good forward games..
With Partington i suspect if he puts on 8 to 10kg you will get a good best 22 midfielder but not the star of the side. He would be your 3rd to 4th best mid if he comes on and a player who could be a 25 possession a week player. The area of the draft he is being looked at , 20 plus is about where he should be.
If he where to come to us at 24 or 25 it would seem the right sort of pick.
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I like Balic and i should do a profile on him as he does a lot of good things, is a bit bigger than a few of the other mids. His biggest issue is he is not a great kick which is a shame as he is good in traffic and gets into space well. If he could kick he would be top 5.
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Is he an 'outside leaning' midfielder/flanker'? Shame, if he could become an in side player surely he could move into the top percentile with his basketball background?
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This is what Knightmare has to say about Lovell.
25. Kieran Lovell (TAS – MID)
Height: 174cm, Weight: 80kg, DOB: 16/05/1997
Recruited from: Kingston Tigers
Reminds me of: Cory Gregson
Brief bio: Lovell is a high production, extremely athletic small midfielder with rare agility and excellent pace and endurance. Lovell will regularly burst out of traffic and run around guys easily as if they’re stationary and look to take on the game with his pace. Lovell finds high disposal numbers through the midfield and has a nice balance between contested and uncontested ball winning numbers, with his contested ball winning numbers particularly excellent, with his strong body for his age helping with this. Lovell as a ball user is generally clean but has also at times shown that he can shank some balls by foot for some awful turnovers. From a versatility standpoint I am not convinced that Lovell while he could play forward, would necessarily be as effective as he is through the midfield, as he doesn’t quite for me have that front half talent where he could offer heavy scoreboard impact or provide any particularly meaningful offense. Additionally from a tackling and pressuring standpoint while it’s something Lovell can do, it is not something he does as well as other smalls with his quickness.
I have only seen him play once so it is hard for me to get a line on him. He was pretty good that day and i liked his pace. He is small but solid.
25. Kieran Lovell (TAS – MID)
Height: 174cm, Weight: 80kg, DOB: 16/05/1997
Recruited from: Kingston Tigers
Reminds me of: Cory Gregson
Brief bio: Lovell is a high production, extremely athletic small midfielder with rare agility and excellent pace and endurance. Lovell will regularly burst out of traffic and run around guys easily as if they’re stationary and look to take on the game with his pace. Lovell finds high disposal numbers through the midfield and has a nice balance between contested and uncontested ball winning numbers, with his contested ball winning numbers particularly excellent, with his strong body for his age helping with this. Lovell as a ball user is generally clean but has also at times shown that he can shank some balls by foot for some awful turnovers. From a versatility standpoint I am not convinced that Lovell while he could play forward, would necessarily be as effective as he is through the midfield, as he doesn’t quite for me have that front half talent where he could offer heavy scoreboard impact or provide any particularly meaningful offense. Additionally from a tackling and pressuring standpoint while it’s something Lovell can do, it is not something he does as well as other smalls with his quickness.
I have only seen him play once so it is hard for me to get a line on him. He was pretty good that day and i liked his pace. He is small but solid.
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