Essendon/AFL in secret talks [The Age, 21/8]

[TheGreatBarryB]

Well fork me and tell me I'm cooked.

Somebody get on the phone to WADA and tell them they need to add a new clause to the Code whereby if10% of parents say they are satisfied (on who knows what information), then there is no case to answer.

I can't understand how nobody thought of it before!

Think they've only asked 3 so that makes it 100%. Which parent has come out and said their son has been poisoned??!!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yet 3 legitimate parents have come out recently and said they are satisfied with EFC explantion of all the substances involved (Watson,Crameri, Browne).

How did they explain the substances they either deny they took, or had no knowledge of taking? Given their lack of records, lack of knowledge of what Dank was up to, yet denials about taking anything banned, I am not sure their explanations would have been very comprehensive.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Are the other parents illegitimate?

Times are changing and wedlock is not all it is cracked up to be. Don't judge.

 

[2DMB]

Why would I they deliberately cheated, Even your pin up girl Caro has admitted EFC never cheated.

The following statement is more accurate "EFC never set out to cheat"

If they took anything considered to be a PED they cheated, whether intentionally or not.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The following statement is more accurate "EFC never set out to cheat"

If they took anything considered to be a PED they cheated, whether intentionally or not.

About sums it up. They were determined to go as close to the line as they could to get as much advantage over the rest of the competition as they could. They didn't know where the line was, failed to conduct due diligence to find out where the line was, then when it started working no longer cared where the line was, and freaked out and tried to cover their tracks when they looked over their shoulder and saw the line a fair way back.

 

[Hoffy95]

Whether the cheating was deliberate or not is besides the point...

The interview with Stephen Dank is telling. They proceeding with a doping program because they thought they had found a loophole in the WADA code.

Its like someone getting a dodgy accountant to find areas in the tax code to avoid paying their fair share.

It is ethically questionable and don't come crying when the ATO comes down on you like a tonne of bricks

Finding loopholes is not a crime. Any club doing their due dilligence would be doing the same.

No different to an accountant. A "dodgy" one isn't necessarily the one that avoids tax, he/she looks for ways to minimise tax within the ATO provisions. There is a conflict of interest if an accountant is NOT trying to get the best tax result for his/her client. Doesn't mean they have to break any laws.

 

[I Rock]

Finding loopholes is not a crime. Any club doing their due dilligence would be doing the same.

No different to an accountant. A "dodgy" one isn't necessarily the one that avoids tax, he/she looks for ways to minimise tax within the ATO provisions. There is a conflict of interest if an accountant is NOT trying to get the best tax result for his/her client. Doesn't mean they have to break any laws.

It is in this case in direct regards to the intergity of the competition and the code.

About sums it up. They were determined to go as close to the line as they could to get as much advantage over the rest of the competition as they could. They didn't know where the line was, failed to conduct due diligence to find out where they line was, then when it started working no longer cared where the line was, and freaked out and tried to cover their tracks when they looked over their shoulder and saw the line a fair way back.

When it comes to the WADA code the due diligence is to not go anywhere near the line. If you see it back the truck up.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Finding loopholes is not a crime. Any club doing their due dilligence would be doing the same.

No different to an accountant. A "dodgy" one isn't necessarily the one that avoids tax, he/she looks for ways to minimise tax within the ATO provisions. There is a conflict of interest if an accountant is NOT trying to get the best tax result for his/her client. Doesn't mean they have to break any laws.

In this case, the people doing the loophole searching were incompetent, and completely unable to judge if it was a legit loophole or not.

Dank couldn't get the right call on TB-4 right, even though it was a listed banned substance under the WADA code.

 

[mickeyjuice]

It doesn't imply a major offense either. Nor does it imply intent. 0 people died at Essendon FC and 0 were injured due to poor governance.

The stupidity of the "if it hasn't happened yet, it ain't gonna, gene therapy is an immediate thing" argument is beyond belief, along with those who peddle it.

 

[Hoffy95]

It is in this case in direct regards to the intergity of the competition and the code.

It is because it wasn't a loophole. It was incompetance and misinterpretation.

 

[Hoffy95]

In this case, the people doing the loophole searching were incompetent, and completely unable to judge if it was a legit loophole or not.

Dank couldn't get the right call on TB-4 right, even though it was a listed banned substance under the WADA code.

Exactly.

 

[mickeyjuice]

Yet 3 legitimate parents have come out recently and said they are satisfied with EFC explantion of all the substances involved (Watson,Crameri, Browne).

You know, all this proves is that those parents are idiots, given the club can't say what it shot into their kids.

 

[I Rock]

It is because it wasn't a loophole. It was incompetance and misinterpretation.

I don't think so; Essendon still hasn't been formely charge by ASADA & the AFL is still able to go at them (in conjuction with everything else) with going against the integrity of the code by implimenting such a program.

 

[blue harvest]

Yet 3 legitimate parents have come out recently and said they are satisfied with EFC explantion of all the substances involved (Watson,Crameri, Browne). And here you are comparing this to Bhopal! In a way it sums up the froth from many in the anti-EFc camp.

Yeah, they may be satisfied with the explanation, doesn't mean they are happy about it.

 

[Duni]

Think they've only asked 3 so that makes it 100%. Which parent has come out and said their son has been poisoned??!!

But by your logic, 1 out of 1 parents on the phone to MMM were definitely NOT okay with what was going on. That's 100% of parents who are not okay with the situation.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

How did they explain the substances they either deny they took, or had no knowledge of taking? Given their lack of records, lack of knowledge of what Dank was up to, yet denials about taking anything banned, I am not sure their explanations would have been very comprehensive.

Well how do you or anyone else know that they took them?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

But by your logic, 1 out of 1 parents on the phone to MMM were definitely NOT okay with what was going on. That's 100% of parents who are not okay with the situation.

who was the parent? Let's stick with parents that were genuine.

 

[boydsno1]

She was genuine. Hird even said in a presser he knows who she was and would contact her.

 

[Duni]

who was the parent? Let's stick with parents that were genuine.

Interesting that you trust the administration (Hirdy, etc) at Essendon thru thick and thin.. despite mounting evidence that they are all blatantly full of sh1te.

Yet you don't believe that a parent of one of the players could possibly be concerned about her son being injected for months on end with unknown substances.

I think you possibly should have a think about that. Seriously.

 

[Mattrox]

Well how do you or anyone else know that they took them?

who was the parent? Let's stick with parents that were genuine.

Seriously, don't make idiotic posts.

Players signed consent forms and then were not injected..... yeah, right.


Any parent that feels browbeaten by the club, but comes out anonymously is not a genuine parent?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

You know, all this proves is that those parents are idiots, given the club can't say what it shot into their kids.

The club gave a run down of the substances given to their sons. If someone then comes along and says "yes but you have also taken substance A, B and C but we have no concrete evidence that they have done so" , what the heck do you expect the club to say to that?

 

[Boba Fetta]

She was genuine. Hird even said in a presser he knows who she was and would contact her.

Yeh but is he to be trusted

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Well how do you or anyone else know that they took them?

Mate. Its like you taking panadol and then saying you can't be sure if you took it or not 12 months later because you didn't do mass spectrometry on the tablet before you took it. The players consented to particular drugs at particular doses. They then were injected. They are still guilty of not being able to show they didn't take banned substances. As with Lance Armstrong, you don't need positive blood samples to prove things.

 

[Mutt]

Finding loopholes is not a crime. Any club doing their due dilligence would be doing the same.

No different to an accountant. A "dodgy" one isn't necessarily the one that avoids tax, he/she looks for ways to minimise tax within the ATO provisions. There is a conflict of interest if an accountant is NOT trying to get the best tax result for his/her client. Doesn't mean they have to break any laws.

Tax avoidance (which is legal) is not the same thing as tax evasion (which is not legal.) In this case it appears that EFC started out intending to push tax avoidance to its max but ended up committing tax evasion.

You don't advise EFC or Hird do you?

 

[ziad]

Mate. Its like you taking panadol and then saying you can't be sure if you took it or not 12 months later because you didn't do mass spectrometry on the tablet before you took it. The players consented to particular drugs at particular doses. They then were injected. They are still guilty of not being able to show they didn't take banned substances. As with Lance Armstrong, you don't need positive blood samples to prove things.

Cuz never tested positive for party drugs not PED, got 12 months, Club had to show cause.
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