Autopsy Essendon v Hawthorn

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Any loss by one straight kick and/or 2 seconds does not indicate that one team was dominant and the other well beaten.

The only mental issue here is that Essendon were on a mission and played with all the emotion they could gather resulting in a desperation that Hawthorn could not match at this stage of the season. However, I don't really believe that mental attitudes decided this game.

One of our strengths over the last couple of years has been our rucking combination.

The loss of Frawley in the first 15 minutes created a snowballing effect that disrupted three key elements of Hawthorn's structure. The ruck and the defensive set up and Roughead's usual role. Lake and Stratten were given an impossible situation where they had to control all of the tall Essendon forwards. It is a credit to both that they did an admirable job and Lake was probably Hawthorns best player. Stratten, who played well, is not tall enough to play on genuine KPFs. So, the backline was now hopelessly undermanned.

To counter the Essendon talls Clarkson was put in the position of having to play a ruck down back. McEvoy was Clarkson's choice. This broke up what has been a very successful combination which has given Hawthorn ruck domination, around the ground marking power and a tall marking option up forward. McEvoy was literally taken out of the game and Ceglar, who is a very inexperienced ruck, does not, at this stage, have the experience or ability to be the sole dominant ruck.

To give Ceglar support Clarkson was forced to put Roughead into the ruck. Thus Roughead's previous key role of a combination of key forward and a big body ruck/rover was now sacrificed.

The loss of Frawley cannot be over stated as a contribution to the defeat.

The last three minute fade out.

To come from over 30 points down and gain a lead of 16 points requires a huge physical effort. At this stage of the season no club is fit enough to maintain that physical effort. The team making the comeback eventually will hit a wall and that is what happened in this game. They simply ran out of puff. Essendon were able to regain the initiative and the rest is history. Of course I acknowledge that Sydney were able to do this last week. The Essendon players had not really played a game of football for six months and as shown this week Sydney are in red hot form. Before running out of puff Essendon showed what they are capable of. Do not underestimate this Essendon team.

Do not underestimate the inexperience of a vital chunk of our midfield. Keep in mind that Langford is still very inexperienced. So two of our best mid fielders out with one being a late withdrawal and two of our best backs out with one being a late withdrawal and the other going down in the first few minutes. A hell of a lot to cover.

The selected replacements of Mitchell and Gibson are puzzling. What it highlighted is that we still lack depth when it matters. This is not restricted to only us but applies to all clubs. What options did Clarkson have in replacing Gibson? Spangher may have been medically fit to play but his conditioning would be very questionable. Schoey has not been a success down back. Playing Sicily seemed to be an unnecessarily luxury. In hindsight there may have been better choices as Mitchell's replacement.

The game still had one big positive. Our 'oldies' are not over the hill. Lake was probably our best, Burgoyne can still do what he always does and Hodge played well for most of the game. Also, Hawthorn may have the recruit of the year in Rioli.
 
Players choosing recreational drugs on their own time vs the system Jimmy the Knife tried to set up. heck me mate, seriously?



Even the AFL's Kangaroo Court said, words to the effect of "They wanted to import the gear, the chemist thought he was mixing the gear we just can't see proof that it was administered despite knowing injections took place off site away from club medicos." What do you think they were doing:?



It wasn't a great game by us, we played very ordinarily. Whether you think your lot caused it or we did doesn't matter (probably a combo of both), the standard of football by us yesterday was nowhere near what we can do. Hence the comments re a "shit game by us" repeated in here.

disagree respectfully

but lets look forward to a hopeful finals rematch
 

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As I have said, lets have this conversation in September. Credit where credit is due, Essendon were good yesterday and they deserved the win.

But its all about September/Oct for the HFC, not Rd 2.
 
Let's not clutter this thread with endless and fruitless debates about Essendon's problems with ASADA. There are plenty of other forums for that to be aired.

And a reminder to our non-Hawthorn guests to play nice, else face the wrath of the mods. We do welcome the viewpoints of other teams' supporters here in this forum but people need to remember that they are visitors and should post accordingly.
 
I hope essendon supporters appreciate how accomodating we are on the Hawks board. Swap places and the bombers board would have handed out 50 bans by now

Just discussing the game

Are we not welcome?
 
Hey grumble , there are no excuses mate. Also I have been railing against the unsatisfactory investigation by ASADA , over Essendon , with no evidence....
and you sir have just done what I have been worried about .

Creating these nasty surroundings by calling people cheats. by doing this you make us Hawks look stupid too.

No matter what the previous conversation was , its out of order. I put up with being ridiculed for ages over arguing there was no proof about this stuff now it must stop on BF as well.

Someone will get into trouble. Not on Big Footy but elsewhere. Where are the Mods on this?

Getting nasty because you get beaten is stupid.
It was nasty before we were beaten and the result has honestly got nothing to do with it. At all. Completely.

My kids don't want to follow afl anymore. Hope this helps clarify that the result of the match is and was and always will be irrelevant.
 
i really like that new bloke siciliy

looks like he has a good footy head and is a pretty good boot on him.
 
Sam is our serious mer cleaner upper.

We need to think long and hard about who we substitute for him.

Not sure if he is fit, but whitex is one of those type of player, spangher to a lesser extent

Even good young players dont have the experience
 
It was nasty before we were beaten and the result has honestly got nothing to do with it. At all. Completely.

My kids don't want to follow afl anymore. Hope this helps clarify that the result of the match is and was and always will be irrelevant.

Agreed we dont need to lose to them to call them for what they are.
 
Certainly not clunking the marks.
I sense there has been a clear instruction to both rucks to knock the ball 2 metres forward of the pack, unless they are clear and can take the mark. Both Ceglar and McEvoy have done this in the first two weeks.
 

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The arrogance levels here are extraordinary.

Again, your team played well yesterday but Essendon also had some vital players out, Dempsey, Myers and Hocking..

Give the cheating thing a rest, thanks. Even if the cheating issue hypothetically occurred I doubt the players wanted anything to do with it. Let it go, focus on the football, thanks.

Up yours F#$%wit.

Tell that to the Essendon moron sitting behind me yelling out Steven Dank you're a genius.

All the Bomber hysteria celebrating like you just won the last 2 premierships..

Yes lets focus on football. All Essendon have managed in the last 2 years is bring our game into disrepute with the most arrogant coach in the history of anything.
 
The arrogance levels here are fine.

We played like crap yesterday, but still nearly pinched it.

As for the cheating comments, well they're going to continue for a very long time, so if you don't like them I'd suggest that you either learn to live with them(Hawthorn board won't be the only place you read them), or return to the sanctuary of the Essendon board.
Give him a rest!!
 
I sense there has been a clear instruction to both rucks to knock the ball 2 metres forward of the pack, unless they are clear and can take the mark. Both Ceglar and McEvoy have done this in the first two weeks.

As did roughead yesterday when the mark was the better option. That is unless of course he just dropped the mark :D
 
Its round 2 so no need to overact. I'm more interested to see how we respond . I've watched the Dogs the last few weeks and there attack on the ball and the man is currently first rate . Its the exact match we need rather then an 'easy kill'. Teams will be hunting us more then ever early so need to be on our game more the we were today[/QUOTE]

I also watched the Dogs this Sat.
(footy can be a stress free pleasure, when your teams not involved)
The dogs looked great, a bit hawthornish at times.
No surprise given where Coach Beveradge learnt his craft.
How solid was Bob Murphy! Jack Mcray looks like a good thing.
 
I don't like your signature. What's that all about?

Whats with all the Essendon are cheats signatures in here? Im not commenting on them or starting a ruckus.

Just wanted to discuss the game.
 
Hey grumble , there are no excuses mate. Also I have been railing against the unsatisfactory investigation by ASADA , over Essendon , with no evidence....
and you sir have just done what I have been worried about .

Creating these nasty surroundings by calling people cheats. by doing this you make us Hawks look stupid too.

No matter what the previous conversation was , its out of order. I put up with being ridiculed for ages over arguing there was no proof about this stuff now it must stop on BF as well.

Someone will get into trouble. Not on Big Footy but elsewhere. Where are the Mods on this?

Getting nasty because you get beaten is stupid.
Lets be frank.

Your understanding of the investigation was poor. Everytime you posted about it you were pulled apart for the little knowledge that you had.

That you still think there was no evidence highlights this fact.

Make no mistake, the outcome that "we will never know what the players were given" is the only stupid part of this investigation, and yet you've swallowed it whole.
 
Just pointing out that when we "discuss the game" or pretty much discuss anything on your board we get carded.

I cant help what the Bombers mods do. I have been made welcome to discuss the game.

Doesnt seem that way.
 

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