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Essendon's list vs Melbourne's list
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Personally i think essendon have the in and under ball winners already. Watson is already one of the games best clearence players, then we have mcveigh and welsh as good in and under midfeilders who can play outside as well. then in terms of young in and under players we have lonergan and hocking who have shown already they have what it takes. i still think we are missing an elite kick in our midfeild , prismall will hopefully go a long way to filling that spot however there are still doubts.
in relation to gumby, peopele seem to exagerate his injuries, this is only his 3rd year, in his first year he played 5 games at afl level and played another 5 or 6 at vfl level, thats not too bad. yes his second year was a right off and he has had another injury this year however the clubs hopeful of getting him back for the final few games.. the important thing to note is that is main strengths- leap, marking and endurance are still there, he ran a beep test not far off judds during the pre season and you can see from his NAB cup games he still has the ability to jump and mark. he is a very big talent, one that i think will definately come good.
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Fair call
I just wouldn't be pinning my hopes on a guy who has played 10-12 games of either VFL or AFL football in his first 3 seasons through injury.
I think hes a talent but you have to admit there would be serious concerns on this guys durability.
The thing is though, the problem with his back was the cause of his hamstring injuries ect. They found the source now and are in the process of fixing it. I don't have my hopes on Gumbleton but I do believe Daniher or even Hurley (he kicked bags of 6 on a few occasions in the wooden spoon TAC team) can go forward to help out Neagle.
yeah im definately not pinning my hopes on him, we have other options
down back at the moment we have hooker daniher pears and hurley as future KPD. we obviously wouldnt have 4 talls in defence each game, so we have the option of using someone like hurley as a CHF where he showed significant talent at junior level. we also have a few ruckmen who have shown signs. hille is obviously our best ruck but we also have bellchambers (who has shown he has what it takes at afl level imo) and laycock (even though he is a whipping boy at times he obviously has talent and i still have faith), if bellchambers/laycock or even someone like bock could come on and be useful in the ruck then we have the option of using ryder as a CHF. we do have other options other then gumbelton. but hopefully we dont need them and gumbelton shows what he is capable of
4 and 3 having beaten the reigning premiers with Essendon's youngest team in 50 years. Yep, terrible list!
Wankbat, have a look at WCE's list, that is absolutely shithouse!!! You beat Melbourne at home by what was it, 8 points??? Shithouse!!!
I rate the potential of Melbourne's defence, can't say that about the rest of the areas of their game with an exception here and there.
I know I shouldn't... But given the pain i dare to dream.
Melbs is all but assured to have at least P2, and will probably end up with P1&2:
"my team" assuming best case we finish 15th with +4 wins and only P2 (John Butcher).
B: Bennell, Martin, Cheney
HB: Frawley, Garland, Rivers
C: Morton, Grimes, Davey
HF: Woneaemiri, Watts, Bate
F: Miller, Butcher*, Maric
R: Spencer, Jones, Blease
I: Moloney, McLean, Strauss, Petterd
Depth: Sylvia, Warnock, Dunn, Jetta, McNamara, Valenti, Buckley, Jurrah.
Scully* - Richmond
Juice Newton - servicable KPF for the Scorps 2nds
The big problam the Dee's have is what is plan B if Spencer isn't a ruckman a$$hole. the Stef Martin experiance needs to be down back.
Melbs is all but assured to have at least P2, and will probably end up with P1&2:
"my team" assuming best case we finish 15th with +4 wins and only P2 (John Butcher).
B: Bennell, Martin, Cheney
HB: Frawley, Garland, Rivers
C: Morton, Grimes, Davey
HF: Woneaemiri, Watts, Bate
F: Miller, Butcher*, Maric
R: Spencer, Jones, Blease
I: Moloney, McLean, Strauss, Petterd
Depth: Sylvia, Warnock, Dunn, Jetta, McNamara, Valenti, Buckley, Jurrah.
Scully* - Richmond
Juice Newton - servicable KPF for the Scorps 2nds
The big problam the Dee's have is what is plan B if Spencer isn't a ruckman a$$hole. the Stef Martin experiance needs to be down back.
RPetterd15
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Andy I'd put Meeson in ruck hes a much better ruckman.
Warnock, Jetta, Valenti, Buckley and I'd be hoping these players would be in team of 22. I would want our backline to look something like thisl:
FB:-Bennell-Warnock-Garland
HB:-Rivers-Frawley/Martin-Cheney
INT:-Frawley/Martin
that's OK, that's not offensive
it might be because 17-18 of the last 20 top5 picks all look bloody awesome. As for top 2, well
Murphy
Thomas
Gibbs
Gumbleton
Kruezer
Cotchin
Watts
Naitanui
If there is a bad player there I don't see him
I'd put it to you that Murphy, Gibbs and at a stretch Thomas are the only 3 that are performing at AFL level and standard and deserved of a position in the team in their own right. The others either haven't played a game or would not in normal circumstances get a game because there is no pressure on their position or because the club want to blood games into them. They are talented, yes, proven, no.
So you wouldn't be excited to get 2 top 2 picks?
A Deledio + Roughead?
Murphy + Thomas?
Gibbs + Gumbleton?
Kruezer + Cotchin?
Watts + Naitanui?
Any team would take any of those players listed in a heart beat. They are all/ will be very good players. Scully and Butcher is like the 2006 combo IMO.
Smyth94
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Yeah but the thing is all these guys still have a long way to go to be considered "stars"
Look at Gumbleton from our club - He's got all the tools to become a star - 6'6'', runs a 15 beep test, good set shot, great pair of hands.
It doesn't mean anything when you can't get on to the park. That's more my point - anything can happen to these fellas, I'm sure most Essendon supporters would've never dreamed of Gumby spending so much time injured.
Well they picked up Cale Morton with pick 4 (I think???) a couple of years ago, and that is turning out to be a very astute selection, he is going to be an absolute superstar in this league.
Anyhow I am now certain both Essendon and Melbourne have much bigger upsides to their list then Richmond, who are simply awful ..
everyone is saying "picks 1 and 2 for Demons" is it just me or are those picks going to the Gold Coast?? That's why i had a heated argument with my mate (passionate demons supporter). He thought the draft would reap the golden picks of the kids coming through but he neglects the epic impact the GC17 are going to have.
But that wasn't my main point. My main point is comparing the actual clubs. Essendon have a proper development program, facilities, coaches (Alan Richardson -- i think it is -- we stole from collingwood ... renoun as being one of the greatest youth development coaches around). What do Melbourne have??? Chris Judd was infamously quoted as laughing at the demon's facilities and internal club structures when choosing between ess, coll, carl and melb for his return home. Now, he might just be one guy, maybe misperceived what good melbourne actually have, but he would've had a pretty good darn look at what was there before making his decision.
The Demons have been in the doldrums for a while now, longer than essendon if i can recall correctly, but people (in this thread) are saying essendon are ahead of them in development?? By 2 years someone said???
It's a reflection of how well you can develop the players you've got, not just assuming they come to you as ready made players. It's the reason why i think a lot of players who have gone as a high draft pick have failed to develop into their potential because they weren't given the correct direction and coaching.
To be honest, i think essendon's promising results this year (including the individual performances we've extracted from youngsters) is a strong reflection of our coaching expertise.
i predicted to a mate 2 weeks ago that THIS will be the weekend when all hell breaks loose at tiger land. wallace being sacked will only just be the beginning ... may even be a board coup by an outside ticket.
But that wasn't my main point. My main point is comparing the actual clubs. Essendon have a proper development program, facilities, coaches (Alan Richardson -- i think it is -- we stole from collingwood ... renoun as being one of the greatest youth development coaches around). What do Melbourne have??? Chris Judd was infamously quoted as laughing at the demon's facilities and internal club structures when choosing between ess, coll, carl and melb for his return home. Now, he might just be one guy, maybe misperceived what good melbourne actually have, but he would've had a pretty good darn look at what was there before making his decision.
The Demons have been in the doldrums for a while now, longer than essendon if i can recall correctly, but people (in this thread) are saying essendon are ahead of them in development?? By 2 years someone said???
It's a reflection of how well you can develop the players you've got, not just assuming they come to you as ready made players. It's the reason why i think a lot of players who have gone as a high draft pick have failed to develop into their potential because they weren't given the correct direction and coaching.
To be honest, i think essendon's promising results this year (including the individual performances we've extracted from youngsters) is a strong reflection of our coaching expertise.
i doubt it ... not after one year and not after the performances we've seen so far from melbourne.
maybe a top 8 team ... not a top 4, let alone top 2 team.
yeah richmond are going backwards and they have no idea at all how to stop it.
i predicted to a mate 2 weeks ago that THIS will be the weekend when all hell breaks loose at tiger land. wallace being sacked will only just be the beginning ... may even be a board coup by an outside ticket.
Absolutely shithouse post Godzke, you couldnt be further from the truth.
Firstly, you're completely wrong about the Gold Coast argument. They don't get any picks this year.
Your Melbourne supporting mate is spot on (about everything).
Firstly, you're completely wrong about the Gold Coast argument. They don't get any picks this year.
Your Melbourne supporting mate is spot on (about everything).
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It's not even worth arguing with ignorant people like that. I actually laughed at that post, I might save it for cheap lulz.
I just about would too. Just two excellent young KPDs
No point comparing now really. Both lists have loads of 'potential'.
Give it a few years when we can judge the results of the two teams.
I definitely wouldn't trade our list for Essendons and I don't think any Essendon fan would trade their list for Melbourne.
Give it a few years when we can judge the results of the two teams.
I definitely wouldn't trade our list for Essendons and I don't think any Essendon fan would trade their list for Melbourne.
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Both have great young players and lists but in my opinion essendon has the advantage. i think were a year or two ahead of them in a development sense and before a melbourne fan posts that they havnt unleashed ther top three picks from this draft we have hardly unleashed hurley and gumbleton who are probley our two most promising key position players. cant wait until we verse them should be a great match and we should see two great teams on the rise going at it.
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I am staggered that Essendon are winning this poll.
Wow.
Wow.
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