Vintage Bay Ex Carlton forwards will kick more goals than Carlton's entire team (As seen on AFL 360) *TOTY 2015*

[bontshow]

Kreuger and McAdam were never Carlton listed.

They were traded out of the club, like a plethora of others, many of which have become better after leaving and been some of the AFL's leading goalkickers (Kennedy, Betts, Waite)

 

[JustaBattler]

They were traded out of the club, like a plethora of others, many of which have become better after leaving and been some of the AFL's leading goalkickers (Kennedy, Betts, Waite)

I'd say Kroger aand McAdam were picks which were traded - however I can understand that the Exers are getting desperate and have to manufacture new rules that suit all the time...clearly the exers are an AFL franchise team and will get special AFL franchise treatment

 

[bontshow]

I'd say Kroger aand McAdam were picks which were traded - however I can understand that the Exers are getting desperate and have to manufacture new rules that suit all the time...clearly the exers are an AFL franchise team and will get special AFL franchise treatment

The AFL site is showing names not pick numbers

 

[JustaBattler]

The AFL site is showing names not pick numbers

you've got excellent cut and paste skills!!!

and the AFL can GOGF

 

[MAXIMUM GRUNDAGE]

If Andrew McLeod, Jeff Farmer (originally) and Scott Lucas are considered Fremantle exers, then I think we can count these two.

 

[JustaBattler]

If Andrew McLeod, Jeff Farmer (originally) and Scott Lucas are considered Fremantle exers, then I think we can count these two.

Love you Maxy



now STFU.

 

[Andrew Birch]

They were traded out of the club, like a plethora of others, many of which have become better after leaving and been some of the AFL's leading goalkickers (Kennedy, Betts, Waite)

They are ex Carlton players as much as Brad Crouch, Jaeger O'Meara, Jesse Hogan & Jack Martin are ex-GWS players.

 

[Thrawn]

They were traded out of the club, like a plethora of others, many of which have become better after leaving and been some of the AFL's leading goalkickers (Kennedy, Betts, Waite)

Betts and Waite were always as good as that level though, they didn't suddenly become "better". If they had stayed at Carlton their output would've have been just as good. Kennedy is another story though, he was very raw when we traded him.

 

[JustaBattler]

They weren't given numbers, they weren't on the list long enough

You were still able to trade them though, and could well have continued your trade table mistakes in moving goalkickers on - which is the point of the thread

Fortunately and despite best endeavours to help - both EssenDONE and Collingwood still cant get past Carlton's 16 flags - and there is a sneaky chance if other Clubs do the right thing for a couple more years - Carlton gets to #17 and has the last larf - which will be the ultimate troll.

So Carlton wishes all the best to Melbourne/Tuggers/WC and whoever else is in their 'window' Carlton has 16 teams playing against the enemies - you are all our besties and we even hand over exxers for the cause.

Suck it up.

 

[MAXIMUM GRUNDAGE]

I've already given them Exer nicknames: Mac Attack (I'm sure someone can come up with something better though) and Freddy.

 

[Andrew Birch]

I've already given them Exer nicknames: Mac Attack (I'm sure someone can come up with something better though) and Freddy.

ShaneOMac

 

[bontshow]

you've got excellent cut and paste skills!!!

and the AFL can GOGF

You know what, if you guys are so resistant to count them as Exers, that tells me you're worried they're going to make you look bad

 

[bontshow]

They are ex Carlton players as much as Brad Crouch, Jaeger O'Meara, Jesse Hogan & Jack Martin are ex-GWS players.

This is getting worse than the ****ing abortion debate

 

[bontshow]

Betts and Waite were always as good as that level though, they didn't suddenly become "better". If they had stayed at Carlton their output would've have been just as good. Kennedy is another story though, he was very raw when we traded him.

Betts at Carlton: 290 goals from 184 games, 1.58 goals per game
Betts at Adelaide: 273 goals from 111 games, 2.46 goals per game

Waite at Carlton: 252 goals from 184 games, 1.37 goals per game
Waite at North: 125 goals from 60 games, 2.08 goals per game

 

[Thrawn]

Betts at Carlton: 290 goals from 184 games, 1.58 goals per game
Betts at Adelaide: 273 goals from 111 games, 2.46 goals per game

Waite at Carlton: 252 goals from 184 games, 1.37 goals per game
Waite at North: 125 goals from 60 games, 2.08 goals per game

You're counting their first few years though when they weren't really established players, which is going to lower their average considerably.

Take Betts for example - in the prior 4 years before joining Adelaide he kicked 42, 50, 48 and 27 - still decent numbers for a small forward and he wasn't even at his peak. Look at Waite's last 4 years with Carlton compared to his 4 at North, and his numbers are close. To say that they would've stagnated/not reached the level that they did with their other clubs is just... as Kramer would say... kooky-talk.

And Waite's 2010 season on average was better than any of his years at North - 36.14 in 16 games compared to 42.24 in 23. And it was still the same Waite at North, really, missing a lot of games due to injury.

 

[bontshow]

You're counting their first few years though when they weren't really established players, which is going to lower their average considerably.

Take Betts for example - in the prior 4 years before joining Adelaide he kicked 42, 50, 48 and 27 - still decent numbers for a small forward and he wasn't even at his peak. Look at Waite's last 4 years with Carlton compared to his 4 at North, and his numbers are close. To say that they would've stagnated/not reached the level that they did with their other clubs is just... as Kramer would say... kooky-talk.

And Waite's 2010 season on average was better than any of his years at North - 36.14 in 16 games compared to 42.24 in 23. And it was still the same Waite at North, really, missing a lot of games due to injury.

Waite 2011-2014 (Carlton, age 28-31): 99 goals in 53 games, 1.87 goals per game
Waite 2015-2018 (North, age 32-35): 125 goals from 60 games, 2.08 goals per game

Betts 2009-2013 (Carlton, age 22-26): 205 goals from 109 games, 1.88 goals per game
Betts 2014-2018 (Adelaide, age 27-31): 273 goals from 111 games, 2.46 goals per game

Both better at their new clubs despite being passed their best age wise

 

[Thrawn]

Waite 2011-2014 (Carlton, age 28-31): 99 goals in 53 games, 1.87 goals per game
Waite 2015-2018 (North, age 32-35): 125 goals from 60 games, 2.08 goals per game

Betts 2009-2013 (Carlton, age 22-26): 205 goals from 109 games, 1.88 goals per game
Betts 2014-2018 (Adelaide, age 27-31): 273 goals from 111 games, 2.46 goals per game

Both better at their new clubs despite being passed their best age wise

Well no, Bett's average is higher so you're going with that time period you can't really say he was better. And saying "being past their best age wise" isn't even true. Most footballers peak around their late 20s.

 

[bontshow]

Well no, Bett's average is higher so you're going with that time period you can't really say he was better. And saying "being past their best age wise" isn't even true. Most footballers peak around their late 20s.

I just went with the entire time they were/have been at their new clubs, then the same number of years back from that when they were still at Carlton

Don't know where you got that peak from? The average age of brownlow winners from 1980 to 2018 is 24.34

https://www.draftguru.com.au/awards/brownlow-medal

 

[leobarryustar]

Well no, Bett's average is higher so you're going with that time period you can't really say he was better. And saying "being past their best age wise" isn't even true. Most footballers peak around their late 20s.

Waite will probably peak in the next year or two

 

[vjknight]

Most footballers peak around their late 20s.

LOL peak essendon argument/logic here.

 

[vjknight]

You're counting their first few years though when they weren't really established players, which is going to lower their average considerably.

Take Betts for example - in the prior 4 years before joining Adelaide he kicked 42, 50, 48 and 27 - still decent numbers for a small forward and he wasn't even at his peak. Look at Waite's last 4 years with Carlton compared to his 4 at North, and his numbers are close. To say that they would've stagnated/not reached the level that they did with their other clubs is just... as Kramer would say... kooky-talk.

And Waite's 2010 season on average was better than any of his years at North - 36.14 in 16 games compared to 42.24 in 23. And it was still the same Waite at North, really, missing a lot of games due to injury.

And yet Carlton sacked them both.

carlolton

 

[Andrew Birch]

And yet Carlton sacked them both.

carlolton

Betts & Waite: So yeh, um we're exercising our Free Agency rights...
Carlton: GAGF yerrr firrreeeedddd!!!!

 

[Thrawn]

I just went with the entire time they were/have been at their new clubs, then the same number of years back from that when they were still at Carlton

Don't know where you got that peak from? The average age of brownlow winners from 1980 to 2018 is 24.34

https://www.draftguru.com.au/awards/brownlow-medal

Most footballers don't win Brownlow medals, so I don't know why you're using that as some kind of yardstick? And it only highlights one year. Look to see how Ablett Snr/Jnr, Carey, Mitchell, Hodge, Brown, Tredrea, Riewoldt, etc went at their mid to late 20s. The reason 25-29 is generally accepted as the peak for most people is because of physical and mental maturity, and plenty of experience and conditioning that comes with that. Players peaking a lot younger (like Judd) are the exception rather than the rule.

 

[Thrawn]

LOL peak essendon argument/logic here.

How old is Sidebottom? He was your best finals player was he not?

 

[bontshow]

Most footballers don't win Brownlow medals, so I don't know why you're using that as some kind of yardstick? And it only highlights one year. Look to see how Ablett Snr/Jnr, Carey, Mitchell, Hodge, Brown, Tredrea, Riewoldt, etc went at their mid to late 20s. The reason 25-29 is generally accepted as the peak for most people is because of physical and mental maturity, and plenty of experience and conditioning that comes with that. Players peaking a lot younger (like Judd) are the exception rather than the rule.

I'll give you 25-29 but Waite was past that and got better. TBH North did better than Carlton and WB with Higgins and Waite. Don't know why you're arguing against the Brownlow as a measure of peaking either