RussellEbertHandball
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I've been having a conversation with GremioPower about how we lost a lot of people straight after we won the flag and over the next few weeks and this impacted on us and our ability to defend our title. The Hawks stole plenty off us and a bit more again a few years later.
I get the feeling there will be a big exodus in the next few weeks, but for a different reason, this time 12 years of not achieving another flag.
If I have missed any names, especially from 2004, let me know.
I seem to recall that we had 8 major departures from the club within 2 or 3 weeks of winning the flag. I have 8 - Bucky, Stewart Clarko, Russell, Pittman, Hardwick, Carr and Schofield. But it might have been 8 off field staff. Pelchen's departure was about 10 weeks after we won the flag.
I will update the 2004 list of departures, from any info from fellow posters, along with the 2024 list of departures as they are announced.
2004
Administration
1 Brian Cunningham - went for the AFL GM Football Operations job along with Brian Cook in August 2003, didn't get it as bloke leaving the job Andrew Demitriou, whom took over as CEO from Wayne Jackson a few days later, wanted a lackie to be his 2IC and appointed a lawyer Adrian Anderson, so Bucky said he would stick around 12 months, hoping to win a flag. To his credit Bucky didn't fully check out, but he didn't commit to some people to longer term contracts eg Fitness boss Andrew Russell.
2 Allan Stewart - Head recruiter and list builder. List Manager wasn't a title 20 years ago. See Josh Carr below for crap picks he gifted us on departure.
3 Chris Pelchen - chief Victorian recruiter, highly regarded and ran our Melbourne office for years. We hardly made a profit after winning a flag and shut down the Melbourne office in mid December 2004 and gave Chris the boot. You guessed it, Clarko and the Hawks snapped him up in early 2005 and he adds to their great recruiting team and results. ( He wasn't at the Hawks when they got Roughie at 2, Buddy at 5 and Lewis at 7 in the 2004 draft).
Coaches
1 Alistar Clarkson Forwards coach - was officially appointed after we won the 2004 QF, the day of the SF round. He wasn't sure what to do re our finals campaign and Bucky told him to go straight away as he will struggle with the time to plan for his job at Hawks. He spent the 2 weeks he could have been planning Port's GF assault, planning who to pinch staff from Port.
2 Andrew Russell Fitness Head - didn't want to go, but publicly revealed for the first time a couple of months ago, we penny pinched him, Clarko said come with me we will pay you properly, then Port upped their offer but too little too late. For years Port pushed the line money wasn't the issue. He revealed recently that was BS.
3 David Pittman - dual premiership player for crows, was a part time ruck coach and resigned to concentrate on his stock broking business.
Players
1 Damian Hardwick - Retired. Was going to stay in SA, finish his commerce degree, maybe become a development/ assistant coach for the club. Clarko pinched him within a week of retiring.
2 Josh Carr - asked for a trade to Freo to play with his brother Matthew, no other reason. We get Freo's 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks ( 11,27,45) and Allan Stewart pissed them up against the wall with drafting Adam Thompson with 11 and trading 27 and 45 for Aaron Shattock and pick 34 which gets us Alan Ezard. Came back at the end of 2009 when his brother had retired, and made sure we got him for nothing in the Pre Season Draft.
3 Jarrad Schofield - traded to Freo. Recently admitted he shouldn't have listened to his wife who wanted to get back to WA.
4 Cain Ackland - Delisted
5 Wade Champion - Delisted
6 Chris Hall - Delisted
** Robert Foster-Knight - Delisted then re-rookied
2024
Administration
Coaches
1 Luke Kelly - midfield development coach
Players
1 Charlie Dixon - retired
2 Trent McKenzie - retired
3 Tom McCullam - delisted
I get the feeling there will be a big exodus in the next few weeks, but for a different reason, this time 12 years of not achieving another flag.
If I have missed any names, especially from 2004, let me know.
I seem to recall that we had 8 major departures from the club within 2 or 3 weeks of winning the flag. I have 8 - Bucky, Stewart Clarko, Russell, Pittman, Hardwick, Carr and Schofield. But it might have been 8 off field staff. Pelchen's departure was about 10 weeks after we won the flag.
I will update the 2004 list of departures, from any info from fellow posters, along with the 2024 list of departures as they are announced.
2004
Administration
1 Brian Cunningham - went for the AFL GM Football Operations job along with Brian Cook in August 2003, didn't get it as bloke leaving the job Andrew Demitriou, whom took over as CEO from Wayne Jackson a few days later, wanted a lackie to be his 2IC and appointed a lawyer Adrian Anderson, so Bucky said he would stick around 12 months, hoping to win a flag. To his credit Bucky didn't fully check out, but he didn't commit to some people to longer term contracts eg Fitness boss Andrew Russell.
2 Allan Stewart - Head recruiter and list builder. List Manager wasn't a title 20 years ago. See Josh Carr below for crap picks he gifted us on departure.
3 Chris Pelchen - chief Victorian recruiter, highly regarded and ran our Melbourne office for years. We hardly made a profit after winning a flag and shut down the Melbourne office in mid December 2004 and gave Chris the boot. You guessed it, Clarko and the Hawks snapped him up in early 2005 and he adds to their great recruiting team and results. ( He wasn't at the Hawks when they got Roughie at 2, Buddy at 5 and Lewis at 7 in the 2004 draft).
Coaches
1 Alistar Clarkson Forwards coach - was officially appointed after we won the 2004 QF, the day of the SF round. He wasn't sure what to do re our finals campaign and Bucky told him to go straight away as he will struggle with the time to plan for his job at Hawks. He spent the 2 weeks he could have been planning Port's GF assault, planning who to pinch staff from Port.
2 Andrew Russell Fitness Head - didn't want to go, but publicly revealed for the first time a couple of months ago, we penny pinched him, Clarko said come with me we will pay you properly, then Port upped their offer but too little too late. For years Port pushed the line money wasn't the issue. He revealed recently that was BS.
3 David Pittman - dual premiership player for crows, was a part time ruck coach and resigned to concentrate on his stock broking business.
Players
1 Damian Hardwick - Retired. Was going to stay in SA, finish his commerce degree, maybe become a development/ assistant coach for the club. Clarko pinched him within a week of retiring.
2 Josh Carr - asked for a trade to Freo to play with his brother Matthew, no other reason. We get Freo's 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks ( 11,27,45) and Allan Stewart pissed them up against the wall with drafting Adam Thompson with 11 and trading 27 and 45 for Aaron Shattock and pick 34 which gets us Alan Ezard. Came back at the end of 2009 when his brother had retired, and made sure we got him for nothing in the Pre Season Draft.
3 Jarrad Schofield - traded to Freo. Recently admitted he shouldn't have listened to his wife who wanted to get back to WA.
4 Cain Ackland - Delisted
5 Wade Champion - Delisted
6 Chris Hall - Delisted
** Robert Foster-Knight - Delisted then re-rookied
2024
Administration
Coaches
1 Luke Kelly - midfield development coach
Players
1 Charlie Dixon - retired
2 Trent McKenzie - retired
3 Tom McCullam - delisted
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