Coach Fages and the coaching group

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Sanchez365 said:
I was hoping someone would back me up and prove that other sports allow what I'm talking about. I don't follow NFL so didn't know what they offered.

The lack of competition across channels is definitely part of the problem. The NBA for example has multiple analysis shows so if one channel seems garbage you can flip over to the next for a different opinion. For us we can watch different shows on the same channel, but all controlled by the same production company. No other people have the means (to collect their own stats) or the access (to the teams) that fox footy has for its shows (as part of the broadcast deal with the AFL).

Afl is unfortunately controlled very heavily by the old boys mantra of the Murdoch media empire, both in its presentation and desire for monopoly.

The above is IMO and I don't want to derail this constructive conversation down the politics pathway lel.
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I watch a couple of EPL analysis shows and yes the standard and professionalism is a lot better than what is on offer in the AFL, albeit the EPL is a multi Billion dollar organisation and probably the most popular regular sporting league on the planet.
 
BuntonRules said:
Silly me, I thought this was a thread about our coaching panel.
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OK.

Go for the coaching panel then.

I just followed the conversation.

Any pearls of wisdom on the coaching panel would be greatly appreciated I'm sure.

Start off by letting me know who is our coaching panel.

I know there's Fages and Adcock. Someone called Stone I think.

Is Ben Hudson still around ? And the guy from Footscray who played a blinder in their premiership year. What does he do ?

They've probably coached all right this year so far. Apart from that I'm pretty much all ears on whatever else anyone wants to share.
 
martinson said:
OK.

Go for the coaching panel then.

I just followed the conversation.

Any pearls of wisdom on the coaching panel would be greatly appreciated I'm sure.

Start off by letting me know who is our coaching panel.

I know there's Fages and Adcock. Someone called Stone I think.

Is Ben Hudson still around ? And the guy from Footscray who played a blinder in their premiership year. What does he do ?

They've probably coached all right this year so far. Apart from that I'm pretty much all ears on whatever else anyone wants to share.
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Over react, or what? Do what you want. I just thought a gentle reminder that we were getting a - boringly to me - bit off topic.
 

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BuntonRules said:
Over react, or what? Do what you want. I just thought a gentle reminder that we were getting a - boringly to me - bit off topic.
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But it wasn't actually tongue in cheek about the coaching panel.

I don't know jack about most of them as far as their coaching capacity goes. Nor in fact who all of them are. I think I read Hodgey had a role there at some point.
 
martinson said:
That's a simple explanation but the reality is usually more complex.

My perspective is that the deal has delivered a pot of gold to the competition and the AFL could do more to provide public access to all the information out there and it's up to them to convince Fox that it could be in their interests too.

It's just my feeling about it all that neither of them think there's sufficient demand out there rather than any monopolistic strategies.

Enhancing the coverage and providing public access to detailed game data and creating a bit of controversy having conflicting views and competition between the analytical opinions is a dream for any broadcaster. They've probably looked at the numbers and just can't be bothered with what that would entail.
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One of the biggest hurdles is the complete gatekeeping of statistics from Champion Data. Unless you can fork out 150k for a subscription you can’t even begin to do some better and deeper statistical analysis into the game. I know there’s people inside Champion Data who like to use the database to do their own thing and that kind of stuff is gatekept from a wider community who would be interested in it.
 
buttermuffs said:
One of the biggest hurdles is the complete gatekeeping of statistics from Champion Data. Unless you can fork out 150k for a subscription you can’t even begin to do some better and deeper statistical analysis into the game. I know there’s people inside Champion Data who like to use the database to do their own thing and that kind of stuff is gatekept from a wider community who would be interested in it.
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I'm still disappointed at the discontinuation of Champion Data's AFL Prospectus which produced some very interesting analysis, beyond the pure stats side of things. But why bother paying people to work on that when you can just continue to fleece the AFL industry for simple access to the stats?
 
Crimso said:
“We” don’t have to worry about analysing any of the footy data, we have Kingy to investigate, analyse and keep us informed!
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This finals series will be so competitive this year to the point I expect four teams will win and four teams will lose. Can't get more even than that! 👑
 
I imagine that this thread will be an entertaining place to be if we make the GF with the current team makeup and they bring in Gunston, Rich etc and get creamed largely on the basis of their ability to run off the returned oldies and their lack of match fitness...
 
Nunez said:
This finals series will be so competitive this year to the point I expect four teams will win and four teams will lose. Can't get more even than that! 👑
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Agree 100% ... All the Champion Data statistics they have cant tell you a more accurate summary...often statistics give the wrong or decieving impression of a team or player.
 

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Nunez said:
This finals series will be so competitive this year to the point I expect four teams will win and four teams will lose. Can't get more even than that! 👑
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I am not sure how it happens but there will be 9 winners and 9 losers throughout this Finals Series.
But only 1 ultimate winner.
 
Dalions said:
I am not sure how it happens but there will be 9 winners and 9 losers throughout this Finals Series.
But only 1 ultimate winner.
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And if you make the grand final, it's guaranteed one team will lose. :eek:
 
Might want to grab a coffee before reading, it’s quite long, but worth a read nonetheless.


Chris Fagan opens up: Brisbane coach speaks for first time on the impact of the Hawthorn racism scandal

For the first time, an emotional Chris Fagan reveals the impact the bombshell Hawthorn racism report had on him, his family and the Brisbane Lions.

Chris Fagan would wait until dark to go for his walk.
It was the hurt. The uncertainty. The shock of it all tied into a knot in his stomach.

Three days after the Brisbane Lions were bounced out of the 2022 preliminary final by Geelong, the club’s senior coach was left stunned by allegations made about his and Alastair Clarkson’s time at Hawthorn.

The Hawks’ premiership heroes rang him, one after the other. His wife and daughters wanted to talk. Fagan’s 85-year-old mother in Tasmania was confused.

While Fagan has categorically denied any wrongdoing as part of a year-long fight to clear his name, those first few weeks in October last year were so upsetting Fagan barely left his Brisbane home.

The Lions’ senior coach had taken a leave of absence from the club, and watched his players celebrate the year at the best-and-fairest night in his tracksuit pants from his house.

And when he needed to go for his usual daily stroll to deal with some of the considerable stress, Fagan, 62, would wait until nightfall, unsure how others may react to the allegations and headlines.

I went through a period where I was just at home and I wouldn’t really venture out in daylight hours,” Fagan told this masthead.

“I love my exercise and my walks, but, yeah, I would wait until it got dark every night to go for a walk then instead.

“People don’t know the truth, and people can take sides and I thought if I put myself out here what’s it going to be like? Are people going to come up and abuse me?

“After a couple of weeks I realised I couldn’t keep living like that.

“So I got back to normal and discovered that I didn’t think I had a person say a bad word about me.”

The allegations were serious. First Nations players and their families said they were deeply hurt by the treatment they received at Hawthorn during 2008-16.

Fagan, Clarkson and the club’s former welfare officer Jason Burt were all named in a bombshell ABC website report.

All have strenuously denied the allegations and were cleared by an AFL investigation which was wound up in May this year.

But the spectre of a Human Rights Commission hearing remains.

Nine months on, Fagan fought back tears as he talked for the first time about the impact on him and his family in an interview in the foyer of the Pullman Hotel across from the MCG, on the Lions’ trip to beat Collingwood in round 23.

In one of the season’s most compelling storylines, the Lions have brushed off the disruption and uncertainty of the Hawthorn report – which was run by former player Phil Egan – to enter September as second favourite for the flag.

It has been immensely challenging.

Fagan opened up about the meetings he called with Brisbane’s Indigenous players in the immediate aftermath of the allegations that were leaked in grand final week last year, knowing full well the impact it could have on them.

But Fagan’s Lions remained united.

How has the senior coach felt over the past year?

“Hurt, frustrated, bewildered,” he said.

“I also feel sad for everyone involved to be honest. All sides. No winners.

“And I tried to remember back to those times and it was just shock. I was stunned.

“My wife (Ursula) was the same. It was really upsetting for her. We have been married for a long time – 37 years.

“Married in 1985. We went to university together. She knows me. She (read it) and I remember, she looked at me and said, ‘Nah, nah. That’s not you’.

“But the biggest thing which has helped me is I have got a clear conscience.

“So that enables you to get up every day and keep going to work with the people you love and doing what you do.

“I can sleep. I don’t lie awake at night. Probably other than the first few days when I couldn’t get over it.”

Fagan thought of the ripple effect. On his family and his players. His wife’s blood pressure became an issue, and required treatment, while Fagan’s first thoughts went to his Indigenous players.

Ursula said they relied on each other in that time after the report dropped, but said Fagan never thought about giving coaching away.

“You were just so confused, and numb,” Ursula Fagan said.

“It does stop you in your tracks, so you have 24-48 hours to just digest and try to understand something that is so confusing.”

Ursula said she had “more respect than ever” for the way her husband had handled the past year.

“Chris has an ongoing belief in people and goodness, and he’s enormously trusting,“ Ursula said. “He is very, very giving in his general spirit and his character.

“I get so inspired by that. I think that is what life is all about – getting out there and giving it a go.”

Fagan has been on a journey with the Lions since he joined them on the back of a disastrous 2016 season, lifting them from basket case in 2017 to genuine premiership contender over seven years.

But the report was out of the blue.

Immediately, Fagan spoke with the Lions’ Indigenous liaison officer Anthony Corrie about the importance of opening up to his Indigenous players.

What did they think? How could it impact them?

He told them as much as he knew from the time in question.

“I did have that moment. It was right at the end of the season so we lost the preliminary final and then they (players) all disappeared on their (post-season) breaks,” he said.

“So I spoke to the group – our Indigenous players – when it happened.

“And then I had a couple of zoom meetings over the break with them because I wanted to keep them in the picture.

“It was a really high priority.

“They were confused at the start, for sure. Everyone was. Very confused.

“They talked to me about how they felt about it all. I get that. We have full trust.

“And Anthony Corrie, our Indigenous liaison officer at the club, has been absolutely magnificent as well.

“I don’t feel like my relationship with any of those boys has suffered at all this year and in fact it feels like it has been stronger than ever.”

Brisbane figures said Fagan shared a special relationship, in particular, with speedy goal kicker Charlie Cameron, who has blossomed to become one of the top small forwards in the game.

Fagan said Cameron was often the life of the group, providing a special energy and buzz for the rest of his teammates, either at training or on the team bus.

Fagan always sits up the front, Cameron often down the back.

“Yesterday my phone rings on the bus and it is Charlie and he says, ‘Fages, it is cold back here, mate, can you ask the driver to turn the air conditioner, down?’” Fagan said.

“He’s always joking around. He’s a fast talker. He’s a beauty, Charlie, and he wants to have fun and enjoy life.

“It is great he can feel like he can be himself around me and I think that is a really important part of coaching.

“The players can be who they are. I don’t try to turn them from what they are. I don’t think you can fundamentally.

“You work with the personalities there and help them become the best versions of themselves. You don’t want a bunch of robots.

“That is the beauty of coaching. Having different personalities and harnessing it all together to become a team.”

Through it all, Fagan has deeply appreciated the love and support of his family and football club.

Even when the pressure rose, the Lions backed him. That’s chief executive Greg Swann, football manager Danny Daly, and director Leigh Matthews, to name a few.

Fagan worried about the impact on his family, including his wife and mum in Tasmania. His daughters saw all the headlines.

“My wife, Ursula, has been unbelievable. I have been worried about her,” he said.

“I don’t know whether this is coincidence or not, but she got a lot of flus and things in the three or four months after it all started, and suddenly she’s on blood pressure tablets.

“I don’t know if that is coincidence or just us getting older.

“Mum is in Tassie and the only connection mum has got with the world about what is going on other than when I talk to her is the media, and she’s ringing me worried as anything about things.”

At the club, Fagan said he didn’t want the stories to become an elephant in the room. It is why the air had to be cleared, so the team could press on with its premiership aspirations.

On Saturday night, the Lions will take on Port Adelaide at the Gabba for a preliminary final berth. It is the fifth season in a row his team has posted at least 14 wins.

And the support was there from the get-go late last year when Fagan had to take his leave of absence in September-October.

That five-week period was when Fagan did some of his most important work helping set up the season, tinkering with the side, the game plan, the structure of things in the football department.

“The club has been magnificent. I told everybody I don’t want this to rule the world this year,” he said.

“I knew there would be a lot of ongoing publicity around it, but I said the best thing you guys can do for me is just get on with things and if I need to talk to you about stuff I will, but otherwise leave it with me.

“And everyone has respected that. Early days, everyone was checking in on me and it was a beautiful thing.

“But I said, ‘You can’t keep doing this. I tell you what, I’ll keep you informed and if I’m going no good, I’ll seek help’.

“The critical things are I have got a clear conscience and I have had great support around me which is something I am really grateful for.”
 
Squizz89 said:
Might want to grab a coffee before reading, it’s quite long, but worth a read nonetheless.


Chris Fagan opens up: Brisbane coach speaks for first time on the impact of the Hawthorn racism scandal

For the first time, an emotional Chris Fagan reveals the impact the bombshell Hawthorn racism report had on him, his family and the Brisbane Lions.

Chris Fagan would wait until dark to go for his walk.
It was the hurt. The uncertainty. The shock of it all tied into a knot in his stomach.

Three days after the Brisbane Lions were bounced out of the 2022 preliminary final by Geelong, the club’s senior coach was left stunned by allegations made about his and Alastair Clarkson’s time at Hawthorn.

The Hawks’ premiership heroes rang him, one after the other. His wife and daughters wanted to talk. Fagan’s 85-year-old mother in Tasmania was confused.

While Fagan has categorically denied any wrongdoing as part of a year-long fight to clear his name, those first few weeks in October last year were so upsetting Fagan barely left his Brisbane home.

The Lions’ senior coach had taken a leave of absence from the club, and watched his players celebrate the year at the best-and-fairest night in his tracksuit pants from his house.

And when he needed to go for his usual daily stroll to deal with some of the considerable stress, Fagan, 62, would wait until nightfall, unsure how others may react to the allegations and headlines.

I went through a period where I was just at home and I wouldn’t really venture out in daylight hours,” Fagan told this masthead.

“I love my exercise and my walks, but, yeah, I would wait until it got dark every night to go for a walk then instead.

“People don’t know the truth, and people can take sides and I thought if I put myself out here what’s it going to be like? Are people going to come up and abuse me?

“After a couple of weeks I realised I couldn’t keep living like that.

“So I got back to normal and discovered that I didn’t think I had a person say a bad word about me.”

The allegations were serious. First Nations players and their families said they were deeply hurt by the treatment they received at Hawthorn during 2008-16.

Fagan, Clarkson and the club’s former welfare officer Jason Burt were all named in a bombshell ABC website report.

All have strenuously denied the allegations and were cleared by an AFL investigation which was wound up in May this year.

But the spectre of a Human Rights Commission hearing remains.

Nine months on, Fagan fought back tears as he talked for the first time about the impact on him and his family in an interview in the foyer of the Pullman Hotel across from the MCG, on the Lions’ trip to beat Collingwood in round 23.

In one of the season’s most compelling storylines, the Lions have brushed off the disruption and uncertainty of the Hawthorn report – which was run by former player Phil Egan – to enter September as second favourite for the flag.

It has been immensely challenging.

Fagan opened up about the meetings he called with Brisbane’s Indigenous players in the immediate aftermath of the allegations that were leaked in grand final week last year, knowing full well the impact it could have on them.

But Fagan’s Lions remained united.

How has the senior coach felt over the past year?

“Hurt, frustrated, bewildered,” he said.

“I also feel sad for everyone involved to be honest. All sides. No winners.

“And I tried to remember back to those times and it was just shock. I was stunned.

“My wife (Ursula) was the same. It was really upsetting for her. We have been married for a long time – 37 years.

“Married in 1985. We went to university together. She knows me. She (read it) and I remember, she looked at me and said, ‘Nah, nah. That’s not you’.

“But the biggest thing which has helped me is I have got a clear conscience.

“So that enables you to get up every day and keep going to work with the people you love and doing what you do.

“I can sleep. I don’t lie awake at night. Probably other than the first few days when I couldn’t get over it.”

Fagan thought of the ripple effect. On his family and his players. His wife’s blood pressure became an issue, and required treatment, while Fagan’s first thoughts went to his Indigenous players.

Ursula said they relied on each other in that time after the report dropped, but said Fagan never thought about giving coaching away.

“You were just so confused, and numb,” Ursula Fagan said.

“It does stop you in your tracks, so you have 24-48 hours to just digest and try to understand something that is so confusing.”

Ursula said she had “more respect than ever” for the way her husband had handled the past year.

“Chris has an ongoing belief in people and goodness, and he’s enormously trusting,“ Ursula said. “He is very, very giving in his general spirit and his character.

“I get so inspired by that. I think that is what life is all about – getting out there and giving it a go.”

Fagan has been on a journey with the Lions since he joined them on the back of a disastrous 2016 season, lifting them from basket case in 2017 to genuine premiership contender over seven years.

But the report was out of the blue.

Immediately, Fagan spoke with the Lions’ Indigenous liaison officer Anthony Corrie about the importance of opening up to his Indigenous players.

What did they think? How could it impact them?

He told them as much as he knew from the time in question.

“I did have that moment. It was right at the end of the season so we lost the preliminary final and then they (players) all disappeared on their (post-season) breaks,” he said.

“So I spoke to the group – our Indigenous players – when it happened.

“And then I had a couple of zoom meetings over the break with them because I wanted to keep them in the picture.

“It was a really high priority.

“They were confused at the start, for sure. Everyone was. Very confused.

“They talked to me about how they felt about it all. I get that. We have full trust.

“And Anthony Corrie, our Indigenous liaison officer at the club, has been absolutely magnificent as well.

“I don’t feel like my relationship with any of those boys has suffered at all this year and in fact it feels like it has been stronger than ever.”

Brisbane figures said Fagan shared a special relationship, in particular, with speedy goal kicker Charlie Cameron, who has blossomed to become one of the top small forwards in the game.

Fagan said Cameron was often the life of the group, providing a special energy and buzz for the rest of his teammates, either at training or on the team bus.

Fagan always sits up the front, Cameron often down the back.

“Yesterday my phone rings on the bus and it is Charlie and he says, ‘Fages, it is cold back here, mate, can you ask the driver to turn the air conditioner, down?’” Fagan said.

“He’s always joking around. He’s a fast talker. He’s a beauty, Charlie, and he wants to have fun and enjoy life.

“It is great he can feel like he can be himself around me and I think that is a really important part of coaching.

“The players can be who they are. I don’t try to turn them from what they are. I don’t think you can fundamentally.

“You work with the personalities there and help them become the best versions of themselves. You don’t want a bunch of robots.

“That is the beauty of coaching. Having different personalities and harnessing it all together to become a team.”

Through it all, Fagan has deeply appreciated the love and support of his family and football club.

Even when the pressure rose, the Lions backed him. That’s chief executive Greg Swann, football manager Danny Daly, and director Leigh Matthews, to name a few.

Fagan worried about the impact on his family, including his wife and mum in Tasmania. His daughters saw all the headlines.

“My wife, Ursula, has been unbelievable. I have been worried about her,” he said.

“I don’t know whether this is coincidence or not, but she got a lot of flus and things in the three or four months after it all started, and suddenly she’s on blood pressure tablets.

“I don’t know if that is coincidence or just us getting older.

“Mum is in Tassie and the only connection mum has got with the world about what is going on other than when I talk to her is the media, and she’s ringing me worried as anything about things.”

At the club, Fagan said he didn’t want the stories to become an elephant in the room. It is why the air had to be cleared, so the team could press on with its premiership aspirations.

On Saturday night, the Lions will take on Port Adelaide at the Gabba for a preliminary final berth. It is the fifth season in a row his team has posted at least 14 wins.

And the support was there from the get-go late last year when Fagan had to take his leave of absence in September-October.

That five-week period was when Fagan did some of his most important work helping set up the season, tinkering with the side, the game plan, the structure of things in the football department.

“The club has been magnificent. I told everybody I don’t want this to rule the world this year,” he said.

“I knew there would be a lot of ongoing publicity around it, but I said the best thing you guys can do for me is just get on with things and if I need to talk to you about stuff I will, but otherwise leave it with me.

“And everyone has respected that. Early days, everyone was checking in on me and it was a beautiful thing.

“But I said, ‘You can’t keep doing this. I tell you what, I’ll keep you informed and if I’m going no good, I’ll seek help’.

“The critical things are I have got a clear conscience and I have had great support around me which is something I am really grateful for.”
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Great man and great family. To go through what he has for almost 12 months now with a dark cloud still hovvering over his reputation and essence of a decent human is inspirational. We are so lucky to have him as head coach of our football club.
 
Mighty Lions said:
Great man and great family. To go through what he has for almost 12 months now with a dark cloud still hovvering over his reputation and essence of a decent human is inspirational. We are so lucky to have him as head coach of our football club.
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Coach of the year.
 
Mighty Lions said:
Agree 100% ... All the Champion Data statistics they have cant tell you a more accurate summary...often statistics give the wrong or decieving impression of a team or player.
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agree.

I will use Payne as he is often taking the #1KPF. If Payne gets very little marks, rebound 50's etc etc, but marks his opponent (1 v1) that closely that he does not become a key forward target, then no stats are going to indicate what an effective role the defender did. I recall Starc against Swans got very few touches, four disposals (20 AFL Fantasy points) but was named as one of our best, mostly because he kept Papley reasonably quiet

I am all for a forward this week sacrificing their individual game to try and prevent Aliir from intercepting, if Cam could do that then likely he would be named one of the better players or at the very least performed his role for the benefit of the team.
 
On the quiet said:
agree.

I will use Payne as he is often taking the #1KPF. If Payne gets very little marks, rebound 50's etc etc, but marks his opponent (1 v1) that closely that he does not become a key forward target, then no stats are going to indicate what an effective role the defender did. I recall Starc against Swans got very few touches, four disposals (20 AFL Fantasy points) but was named as one of our best, mostly because he kept Papley reasonably quiet

I am all for a forward this week sacrificing their individual game to try and prevent Aliir from intercepting, if Cam could do that then likely he would be named one of the better players or at the very least performed his role for the benefit of the team.
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Very few are named in the best for playing their role no matter how important that role might be for the team. That said, internally they make a lot of noise about it which is more important.
 
Mighty Lions said:
Very few are named in the best for playing their role no matter how important that role might be for the team. That said, internally they make a lot of noise about it which is more important.
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Ah Chee did that for the best part of 3 years and all I used to read about was people wanting him to be dropped.

Role players who can play a role effectively can actually develop into better players who can do more over time with some experience and confidence.

Like many jobs you start off crawling ,then you walk and once you get the real hang of it you run.
 
When I watch Ted Lasso, I get Chris Fagan vibes. Obviously Fages knows a lot more about footy than Ted did about soccer but the guy who's players all loved him, built an excellent culture in the locker room/club and turned that into some good results etc. I just feel like Fages is our version of Ted.
Not sure that we have a Roy Kent though, unfortunately.
 
p4p1 said:
When I watch Ted Lasso, I get Chris Fagan vibes. Obviously Fages knows a lot more about footy than Ted did about soccer but the guy who's players all loved him, built an excellent culture in the locker room/club and turned that into some good results etc. I just feel like Fages is our version of Ted.
Not sure that we have a Roy Kent though, unfortunately.
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Never watched Ted Lasso, is it worth a watch?
 

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