Fall and Fall of Big Bash

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Saints4ever said:
That’s the problem with the one day series being played behind a pay wall not everybody gets to see it.

I’ve got Foxtel so never miss a game but I really hate where Australia’s going with sport and tv rights.

Can’t even imagine the AFL season for people without kayo/fox and not being able to watch a game on a Saturday.
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When Sky got all English cricket rights in 2005 it killed the sport in the country. No coincidence people talk about "peak BBL" in the mid 2010's when all games were on Channel 10.
 

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As posted early the Comp is so even and anyone can win on any given day.
The Stars have dropped back to last tonight after the Strikers had a big win boosting there run rate.
A win tomorrow and the Stars jump from 8th to 4th.
The comp is well and truly alive.
The Scorchers are on a losing streak and sit 3 and 5 and yet if they make the 4 they would probably win the comp.
Enjoyable season.
 
Saints4ever said:
As posted early the Comp is so even and anyone can win on any given day.
The Stars have dropped back to last tonight after the Strikers had a big win boosting there run rate.
A win tomorrow and the Stars jump from 8th to 4th.
The comp is well and truly alive.
The Scorchers are on a losing streak and sit 3 and 5 and yet if they make the 4 they would probably win the comp.
Enjoyable season.
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Feel like it’s only “good” because most lists are dog water and it’s super even, especially as we head towards finals with a large number about to drop out.

It’s actually terrible to watch most nights because the big names aren’t playing and we might as well be tuning into club cricket. Zero consistency in the teams and we’re just watching random blokes get lucky every other night with the exception of a few genuine guns.
 
Saints4ever said:
As posted early the Comp is so even and anyone can win on any given day.
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yeah - can't question the eveness of the competition.

internationals come and go, cricket australia don't allow some to play and play restrictions on how many games they can play etc. - it's hard to take it serious.

in saying that, all teams, know what they are getting, when they sign these internationals etc.

only takes one player to have a good night, to swing the game as the game is so short.
 
Cleavy said:
they didn't really load up on star power for night 1, they overloaded for night 2.
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I don't think the Sunday start time for the Open is particular normalised yet either, they really need to promote the shit out of that much better, put one of their big music acts on day 1, and load up 2 of their biggest singles matches for Rod Laver to start with a banger.

It couldn't have started with much more of a whimper yesterday, especially with the rain.
 
nobbyiscool said:
I don't think the Sunday start time for the Open is particular normalised yet either, they really need to promote the shit out of that much better, put one of their big music acts on day 1, and load up 2 of their biggest singles matches for Rod Laver to start with a banger.

It couldn't have started with much more of a whimper yesterday, especially with the rain.
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But the big names may not want to play night 1 due to the longer break to 2nd game
 

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Drunkcat said:
It's a Mickey Mouse comp, should have stayed state vs state, at least then you have some loyalty to a side.
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Before the ECB introduced The Hundred, they did research which found that the younger you were, the less attachment you had to a county.

Young people identified with being from or living in Manchester, for instance, but couldn't care less about Lancashire for instance. This was particularly the case for migrants.

They also believed that it gave opportunity for people who move around the country to support their new local side rather than the one from the place they were born in.

I suspect it would be similar here.

The other factor is that having eight teams in the BBL, and having separate contracts, gives much more opportunities for players to either play at that level, or to earn more money.

Plus having city-based teams instead of states allows for derbies, which are traditionally the biggest attended matches in almost any sport - including the biggest attendance at a domestic cricket match in Australia.

It's never going back to state T20 teams, and I'm staggered that people still go on about it.
 
It’s not state based anymore but I’m pretty confident Tasmania’s would support the Hurricanes, Queenslanders would support the heat, South Aussies would support the Strikers, West Aussies would support the Scorchers, Vics would split Stars-Reneagades and New South Wales would split Sixers-Thunder.
So their really isn’t t much difference except for the VIC/NSW split.
 
Any reason why NZ can't enter a team or teams? The super smash had zero big names and all the test player sat out the comp.
 
madjoe said:
Any reason why NZ can't enter a team or teams? The super smash had zero big names and all the test player sat out the comp.
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Australians barely turn up to watch the NZ national side play against Australia. What interest would they have in watching the Wellington Firebirds?
 
big_e said:
The other factor is that having eight teams in the BBL, and having separate contracts, gives much more opportunities for players to either play at that level, or to earn more money.
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It also significantly reduces the quality of the competition. Players like Harris, Wakim and Doran last night should be nowhere near a T20 franchise.

I'm fine with a franchise system rather than state system for T20. I think that was needed to be able to split the contracts at state level. The players mentioned above are decent to good red ball players and if a state team had to contract for all three formats, potentially red ball cricketers get shafted in favour of a big bash slogger.

With other T20 comps taking overseas players away, there is never going to be enough talent for 8 teams, wind it back to 6 and the likes of Harris, Wakim and Doran are pushed out and we can see better quality cricket.
 
big_e said:
Before the ECB introduced The Hundred, they did research which found that the younger you were, the less attachment you had to a county.

Young people identified with being from or living in Manchester, for instance, but couldn't care less about Lancashire for instance. This was particularly the case for migrants.

They also believed that it gave opportunity for people who move around the country to support their new local side rather than the one from the place they were born in.

I suspect it would be similar here.

The other factor is that having eight teams in the BBL, and having separate contracts, gives much more opportunities for players to either play at that level, or to earn more money.

Plus having city-based teams instead of states allows for derbies, which are traditionally the biggest attended matches in almost any sport - including the biggest attendance at a domestic cricket match in Australia.

It's never going back to state T20 teams, and I'm staggered that people still go on about it.
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I think Australia is a lot different to English county’s. State V State already had a strong and passionate history not only through cricket but mainly from the football codes through state of origin. If I remember correctly the Bushrangers were getting pretty big crowds in the old state v state T20 competition toward the end just when T20 was getting popular. They had the big V on the shirt which was a nice selling point and the whole state was behind and could relate to the team.
The move to a franchisee base competition I feel would have isolated a lot of the country fans too. yeah derbies are fun but so was interstate rivalries.
 
Hamingja said:
About as much interest as the Sydney Thunder? What difference does the away team really make in a franchise system.
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I agree, in a franchise competition, it matters little if you're playing the Renegades or a NZ team. I do think the competition would benefit from combining the two Melbourne and Sydney teams and bringing in two NZ teams (south island and north island) to remain an eight team competition.
 
giggler99 said:
I think Australia is a lot different to English county’s. State V State already had a strong and passionate history not only through cricket but mainly from the football codes through state of origin. If I remember correctly the Bushrangers were getting pretty big crowds in the old state v state T20 competition toward the end just when T20 was getting popular. They had the big V on the shirt which was a nice selling point and the whole state was behind and could relate to the team.
The move to a franchisee base competition I feel would have isolated a lot of the country fans too. yeah derbies are fun but so was interstate rivalries.
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There is no clear delineation between who is a Stars fan and who is a Renegades fan.

The mythical line up the middle doesn’t / hasn’t worked. Allegedly the West of the State is Renegades and the East Stars, but it’s never been pushed.

Playing games at Marvel is a waste -the pitches are usually ordinary and that impacts on the quality of the game
 

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