Fanplanner 2010

[West123]

I am a little bit confused by your reply mate. I was saying that the opposing ruckmen would be better of playing against a team with 1 ruckman than a team with 2 (Obviously dependant on the quality of ruckman/men). A team with 1 ruckman is good for fantasy purposes (because like you said that ruckman carries a heavy workload) but i believe that teams with only 1 ruckman tend to allow more points than a team with 2 ruckman.

Well then we are arguing different points. I think you are kind of right but not necessarily. Some dual ruckmen work well as a combo (Bulldogs/Port) Some just suck (Hawks/Dees). I don't really care for an argument, my theory is to spend the absolute minimum on rucks (this year had Jacobs/Pyke) and spend the savings on gettting good rucks (this year Cox/Jolly).

Here is some random math. Lets say you pick 3 rucks who average 75. By your selection method you average 85 for your two ruck positions. Over 22 rounds you score 3,740. You could also take Cox and another elite ruck who average 100/90. That's 4,180. You can factor in 4 donuts without a back up and still come out ahead. That's just me.

In my five years playing DT i have never started a rookie, and try to avoid picking them for my bench as well. That's simply because i don't profess to know anything about them and i don't pretend like 'i know it all' either. I will only pick a rookie in my best 22 if i have seen them play conistantly in the flesh. I just stick to what i know basically, and therefore i stick to picking the players that i have seen play at AFL level.

To be brutally honest, and controversial, i think filling your team with rookies (and guns) is a pretty weak way to play dream team. To mine eye, it is basically saying, "I concede that i am incapable of picking a starting 22 that is potentially good enough to be my finishing 22." I'd definitely prefer to try and get a sensational starting 22 and not have to worry about trading except for injuries, then to start with a team expecting to trade 25% of your players.

So in the last 2 years you've never benefited from Palmer, Dalzeill (for his breif close to 2008), Rich or Anthony? That's odd. Ever read a report on u/18 championships? Ever watch a game on fox? Did you hear that Rich was dual WAFL preimership player? There are some simple facts that point to good DT rookies. Ignore them if you want.

 

[West123]

And for a positional change - Sam Butler played out the year in the backline. He didn't even have stints in the midfield. I think he's a very good chance to be dual listed.

I'd hope you wouldn't pick him. His DT days are behind him... if they were ever in front that is.

 

[Frozenwaste]

My team, based primarily on the prices and positions of Fanplanner,

BACK
Sam Fisher
Luke Hodge
Jarrod Harbrow
Grant Birchall
Josh Hunt
Beau Waters
Daniel Talia
Phil Davis*
Hayden Kiel*

MID
Joel Selwood
Justin Sherman
Tom Swift
Clinton Young
Rhys Palmer
Trent Cotchin
Tom Scully
Luke Shuey

RUCK
Dean Brogan
Matthew Kreuzer
Matt Lobbe
Daniel Currie

FORWARD
Nick Riewoldt
Brett Deledio
Lance Franklin
Robert Murphy
Jack Riewoldt
Patrick Veszpremi
Jack Trengrove
Scott Gumbleton*
Taylor Gilchrist*

* Just rookies around their price


Got $80,000 left over, Projected total 1919

Please feel free to nitpick, I need all the help I can get.
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[chadleverington]

Got $80,000 left over, Projected total 1919

hmm, mine is 1798. Not really a guide though I think Medhurst can score more than 48.

 

[Frozenwaste]

hmm, mine is 1798. Not really a guide though I think Medhurst can score more than 48.

Yeah, its not a great guide. Odds are Sam Fisher won't get 132

 

[chadleverington]

What i would like to see monty is

Projected Total By Guru: 1798
Projected Total by 09 Avg: 1730
Projected Total by 08 Avg: 1858

(and use guru score for rookies that didn't have a 08 or 09 average)

 

[West123]

@ Frozenwaste --> I'd go for a safer backline. Hunt & Waters (injury concern) Talia & Davis (selection concern), maybe use your 80k on upgrading that position. I'd also go a more gun rookie approach in mid's, bring Scully onfield, bring in a rookie for the bench & upgrade Young or Swift to a proven gun. The FWD balance is fine but I wouldn't touch Vezpremi or J. Riewoldt.

 

[chadleverington]

Why not J Riewoldt? think he is capable of stepping up this year

 

[West123]

Why not J Riewoldt? think he is capable of stepping up this year

He will be a better player but perhaps not a better DT'er. Given the overhaul that will go down a Richmond he will suffer in the games the get pumped, too many games where he won't get a chance to make an impact. I see him as yoyo'ing between 90's & 60's.

Players cheaper than him -->
Matthew Stokes
Roughie
Robbie Gray
Osbourne
Medhurst
Jurrah
Mark Williams
Andrew Walker

These players are cheaper and have equal or more potential. If there are signs that Reiwoldt will work up the ground then perhaps but I see him playing close to goal and missing out in games where Richmond aren't competitive.

 

[chadleverington]

He will be a better player but perhaps not a better DT'er. Given the overhaul that will go down a Richmond he will suffer in the games the get pumped, too many games where he won't get a chance to make an impact. I see him as yoyo'ing between 90's & 60's.

Players cheaper than him -->
Matthew Stokes
Roughie
Robbie Gray
Osbourne
Medhurst
Jurrah
Mark Williams
Andrew Walker

These players are cheaper and have equal or more potential. If there are signs that Reiwoldt will work up the ground then perhaps but I see him playing close to goal and missing out in games where Richmond aren't competitive.

Stokes is at risk of being dropped, Roughead has same concerns as Jack, Robbie Gray and Andrew Walker injury concerns and medhurst would need a full preseason.

 

[m0nty]

What i would like to see monty is

Projected Total By Guru: 1798
Projected Total by 09 Avg: 1730
Projected Total by 08 Avg: 1858

(and use guru score for rookies that didn't have a 08 or 09 average)

Geez chad, let's not make it too complicated mate.

 

[chadleverington]

Geez chad, let's not make it too complicated mate.

All you need to do is add the value as you iterate through each row not too hard. I think it would be handy to show but it is your site, if you dont want to i will get by

 

[Schulzenfest]

massive problem with the rucks not keen on palmer? (cheaper than masten)

Massive problem, maybe, but with a bit of luck it's also massive value. Like I said, if I'm not pretty well guaranteed that Lobbe or Currie will provide week in week out back up I'll probably shuffle it around a bit though. And I don't think Palmer will be discounted in the real thing, plus Masten's not coming off of a knee reco and had a good finish to '09, so that's why I went Masten.

 

[Pozzato]

Massive problem, maybe, but with a bit of luck it's also massive value. Like I said, if I'm not pretty well guaranteed that Lobbe or Currie will provide week in week out back up I'll probably shuffle it around a bit though. And I don't think Palmer will be discounted in the real thing, plus Masten's not coming off of a knee reco and had a good finish to '09, so that's why I went Masten.

Knee problems aren't that bad as you think just look at what HMAC did this year

 

[chadleverington]

Knee problems aren't that bad as you think just look at what HMAC did this year

That wasn't the ACL though. Haselby was good this year, and Palmer is more of a DT **** than Haselby.

 

[Stubz]

Exactly HMac did his PCL.

I've heard from some people thought that PCLs are harder to recover long-term then from ACLs.

 

[bombers own]

First crack

B; Hodge, Carazzo, Mackie, Symes, Myers, Ladson, Waters(O'keefe, Blight)

C; Swan, Bartel, Vince, Young, Scully, Morabito(Blease, Shuey)

R; Sandilands, Kreuzer (Currie, Lobb)

F; Riewoldt, Deledio, Franklin, Rioli, Dangerfield, Trengove, Watts (Johnston, Gumby)

I reckon at least half of those will still be there come round 1, barring injury.

 

[Ball Hog]

Well then we are arguing different points. I think you are kind of right but not necessarily. Some dual ruckmen work well as a combo (Bulldogs/Port) Some just suck (Hawks/Dees). I don't really care for an argument, my theory is to spend the absolute minimum on rucks (this year had Jacobs/Pyke) and spend the savings on gettting good rucks (this year Cox/Jolly).

Here is some random math. Lets say you pick 3 rucks who average 75. By your selection method you average 85 for your two ruck positions. Over 22 rounds you score 3,740. You could also take Cox and another elite ruck who average 100/90. That's 4,180. You can factor in 4 donuts without a back up and still come out ahead. That's just me.

Yeah fair enough, i just think there are plenty of valuable options there and i don't see too many options in the high price range with Petrie gone (last year my rucks were Petrie and Sandilands) and Sandilands/Cox a bit iffy with durability.

So in the last 2 years you've never benefited from Palmer, Dalzeill (for his breif close to 2008), Rich or Anthony? That's odd. Ever read a report on u/18 championships? Ever watch a game on fox? Did you hear that Rich was dual WAFL preimership player? There are some simple facts that point to good DT rookies. Ignore them if you want.

Please tell me your kidding me right? I have never started a rookie on the field, while i probably haven't gotten the best points value out of some of those players, i can assure you that i benefited from most on the bench. Broughton - who was on the ground most of the time - & Rich this year and Palmer last year.

Also, is watching a game on fox really like being there are the ground to see someone play live? I don't think so.

Is reading a report the same as being at the ground watching someone play live? I don't think so.

Yes, i know there are some rookie prodigies that seem 'destined' to become champion AFL players from the age of 15 but there are plenty that flop as well. Anyway, i was more talking about the 'iffy' rookies, i'd much rather choose someone who i have seen play on the field, whose shown 'glimpses' of brilliance and have the 'sure thing' Rich type prodigies on the bench. I just think it is a much better way to play the game....

 

[Chris25]

Jack Grimes
Nathan Bock
Jarrad Waite
Luke Hodge
Michael Johnson
Andrew Walker
Marcus Drum

Jesse Smith
Phil Davis

Scott Pendlebury
Shaun Burgoyne
David Armitage
Rhys Palmer
Tom Scully
Dustin Martin

Luke Tapscott
Sam Blease

Mitch Clark
David Hille

Robbie Warnock
Daniel Currie

Matthew Pavlich
Daniel Giansiracusa
Lance Franklin
Jack Ziebell
Patrick Dangerfield
Chris Mayne
Pat Veszpremi

Jack Trengove
Lewis Johnston

That's my first, and very quick, attempt.

The blue names are the players I would consider keepers (barring injury of course). And the red ones are the guys who could go either way.

 

[Knight Ryders]

Yeah fair enough, i just think there are plenty of valuable options there and i don't see too many options in the high price range with Petrie gone (last year my rucks were Petrie and Sandilands) and Sandilands/Cox a bit iffy with durability.



Please tell me your kidding me right? I have never started a rookie on the field, while i probably haven't gotten the best points value out of some of those players, i can assure you that i benefited from most on the bench. Broughton - who was on the ground most of the time - & Rich this year and Palmer last year.

Also, is watching a game on fox really like being there are the ground to see someone play live? I don't think so.

Is reading a report the same as being at the ground watching someone play live? I don't think so.

Yes, i know there are some rookie prodigies that seem 'destined' to become champion AFL players from the age of 15 but there are plenty that flop as well. Anyway, i was more talking about the 'iffy' rookies, i'd much rather choose someone who i have seen play on the field, whose shown 'glimpses' of brilliance and have the 'sure thing' Rich type prodigies on the bench. I just think it is a much better way to play the game....

DWD is that you or your twin brother?

 

[dylan123]

DWD is that you or your twin brother?

What ever happened to DWD anyways?

 

[AjsGuns]

Corey Enright (premium)
Luke Hodge (premium)
Sam Fisher (premium)
Andrew Mackie (premium)
Xavier Ellis (keeper)
Rick Ladson (upgrade)
Beau Waters (upgrade)

Trent Croad
Ash Smith



Jimmy Bartel (premium)
Rhys Palmer (keeper)
Mark Mcveigh (keeper/upgrade)
Callan Ward (keeper/upgrade)
Clinton Young (upgrade)
Tom Scully (upgrade)

Anthony Morabito
Koby Stevens



Jarred Brennan (premium)
David Hille (keeper)

Robert Warnock
Daniel Currie



Brett Deledio (premium)
Matthew Pavlich (premium)
Lance Franklin (premium)
Robert Murphy (premium)
Mark Lecras (keeper)
Jack Trengrove (upgrade)
Kane Lucas (upgrade)

Gary Rohan
Jack Watts

7 Upgrades assuming 1 of Mcveigh/Ward are keepers. Im pretty sure Ward will average 85+. Of course my team will change before round 1, although at least 50% i would assume will stay.

 

[West123]

plus Masten's not coming off of a knee reco and had a good finish to '09, so that's why I went Masten.

Not a WCE fan I take it? He missed the last couple of weeks after some sort of CL injury. He won't get a full pre season.

 

[West123]

Also, is watching a game on fox really like being there are the ground to see someone play live? I don't think so.

Well, I haven't seen the majority of players live and yes I think you can get a good idea of who is AFL quality from watching on TV.

Is reading a report the same as being at the ground watching someone play live? I don't think so.

You're right, but I actually think some writers know what they are talking about, not so arrogant to assume I know better than them, if someone tells me that so and so is a good ball winner I won't tell them they are wrong.

 

[chadleverington]

I have a very weak midfield at the moment. swift, cotchin, palmer, young, scolly, morabito. Can't find many guns/premiums that are underpriced.