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Wrenny said:
Strongly disagree with this. The draft is fine, in itself. But the points system & academy’s/bids/FA compo etc needs perfecting.
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Yeah fair enough Wrenny.
 
Wrenny said:
Strongly disagree with this. The draft is fine, in itself. But the points system & academy’s/bids/FA compo etc needs perfecting.
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Needs it absolutely but the AFL won’t except for half measures especially if it impacts the expansion clubs in the “growth areas” like NSW and QLD

The afl needs GWS and Gold Coast to be competitive or winning flags so it will pull every lever they can to make it possible even if it means that the Lions and Sydney can ride on the coattails of those benefits when they probably shouldn’t have them

Tassie won’t get half the benefits the northern expansion clubs get
 
Muddiemoose said:
Needs it absolutely but the AFL won’t except for half measures especially if it impacts the expansion clubs in the “growth areas” like NSW and QLD

The afl needs GWS and Gold Coast to be competitive or winning flags so it will pull every lever they can to make it possible even if it means that the Lions and Sydney can ride on the coattails of those benefits when they probably shouldn’t have them

Tassie won’t get half the benefits the northern expansion clubs get
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So they shouldn't with a brand new bespoke footy stadium built for them...
 

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Muddiemoose said:
Needs it absolutely but the AFL won’t except for half measures especially if it impacts the expansion clubs in the “growth areas” like NSW and QLD

The afl needs GWS and Gold Coast to be competitive or winning flags so it will pull every lever they can to make it possible even if it means that the Lions and Sydney can ride on the coattails of those benefits when they probably shouldn’t have them

Tassie won’t get half the benefits the northern expansion clubs get
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After it totally obvious that NSW and QLD are 'developed' as far as young AFL talent goes they will change the way it all works. Only real issue I see is that the northern academies are obviously well run and they really get outsized results. If they take away the clubs ability to pick players I reckon the clubs will disinvest and the talent from QLD NSW will drop off.

We really need to learn from the northern academies to improve ours. But then until they changed the rules it wasn't worth putting effort in as you couldn't pick up talented players from vic academies. Stupid rule - "develop academies ... but you can't pick the good players that you develop"
 
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Dr Tigris said:
After it totally obvious that NSW and QLD are 'developed' as far as young AFL talent goes they will change the way it all works. Only real issue I see is that the northern academies are obviously well run and they really get outsized results. If they take away the clubs ability to pick players I reckon the clubs will disinvest and the talent from QLD NSQ will drop off.

We really need to learn from the northern academies to improve ours. But then until they changed the rules it wasn't worth putting effort in as you couldn't pick up talented players from vic academies. Stupid rule - "develop academies ... but you can't pick the good players that you develop"
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We don't have anything to learn from them at all as the comparison isn't even apples and oranges it's bloody apples and Aardvarks. The Northern teams have access to any and every kid in their state. We have access to "indigenous" kids and exotically backgrounded ones that no one can define. Dion Prestias parents are Italian... would he qualify?

The Brisbane Academy kid Marshall plays for Sandringham Deagons..... htf does that mean he's affiliated with Brisbane? Last I checked that's a 20 hour drive.
Our Chernobyl wasteland zone Shepparton is 3 hours away. The next Isaac Heeney or Zeke Uwland can get shown extra love and attention, I'm sure the Northern clubs would have them at training every chance which is easy when they probably live 10 mins from their club. What efforts can we really do with kids 3 hours away? And why bother anyway? If a farmer toiled in a field for 8 years and his only harvest was 1 decent game out of eggmessy, he'd move on. But Victorian clubs are stupid they hold on to hope that it'll pay off when reality is 50% of teams NGA hasn't yielded 5 decent games, many none. My brother barracks for the Blues he said they've yielded less than eggs smith.

So how can the Tigers possibly improve ours? Send 5-10 employees and build a state of the art facility in Shepparton? We can't even build Punt Rd! The Northern teams have all their existing infrastructure and just have to invite their kids to be welcome. Give them an hour talk with the dietician and send them away with an info pack to show their mum their ideal dietary requirements. A kid does a hammy or rolls his ankle.. tell him to call in after school give him a massage and show his mum how to tape it up. While he's there give him some free merch and game tickets. The NGA is a farce to fool clubs and supporters that they have an academy too.
 
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richoplzbreed said:
We don't have anything to learn from them at all as the comparison isn't even apples and oranges it's bloody apples and Aardvarks. The Northern teams have access to any and every kid in their state. We have access to "indigenous" kids and exotically backgrounded ones that no one can define. Dion Prestias parents are Italian... would he qualify?

The Brisbane Academy kid plays for Sandringham Deagons..... htf does that mean he's affiliated with Brisbane? Last I checked that's a 20 hour drive.
Our Chernobyl wasteland zone Shepparton is 3 hours away. The next Isaac Heeney or Zeke Uwland can get shown extra love and attention, I'm sure the Northern clubs would have them at training every chance which is easy when they probably like 10 mins from their club. What efforts can we really do with kids 3 hours away? And why bother anyway? If a farmer toiled in a field for 8 years and his only harvest was 1 decent game out of eggmessy, he'd move on. But Victorian clubs are stupid they hold on to hope that it'll pay off when reality is 50% of teams NGA hasn't yielded 5 decent games, many none. My brother barracks for the Blues he said they've yielded less than eggs smith.

So how can the Tigers possibly improve ours? Send 5-10 employees and build a state of the art facility in Shepparton? We can't even build Punt Rd! The Northern teams have all their existing infrastructure and just have to invite their kids to be welcome. Give them an hour talk with the dietician and send them away with an info pack to show their mum their ideal dietary requirements. A kid does a hammy or rolls his ankle.. tell him to call in after school give him a massage and show his mum how to tape it up. While he's there give him some free merch and game tickets. The NGA is a farce to fool clubs and supporters that they have an academy too.
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If the afl had any integrity which shamefully they don’t , competitive balance would mean when some cnt gets nominated r1 , that’s what it costs , no more or less
That means to balance their lists for the freebies they need to trade out
That does mean comp balance , but oh no , let the northern states get A grade talent in for. R3 pic
 
richoplzbreed said:
We don't have anything to learn from them at all as the comparison isn't even apples and oranges it's bloody apples and Aardvarks. The Northern teams have access to any and every kid in their state. We have access to "indigenous" kids and exotically backgrounded ones that no one can define. Dion Prestias parents are Italian... would he qualify?

The Brisbane Academy kid plays for Sandringham Deagons..... htf does that mean he's affiliated with Brisbane? Last I checked that's a 20 hour drive.
Our Chernobyl wasteland zone Shepparton is 3 hours away. The next Isaac Heeney or Zeke Uwland can get shown extra love and attention, I'm sure the Northern clubs would have them at training every chance which is easy when they probably like 10 mins from their club. What efforts can we really do with kids 3 hours away? And why bother anyway? If a farmer toiled in a field for 8 years and his only harvest was 1 decent game out of eggmessy, he'd move on. But Victorian clubs are stupid they hold on to hope that it'll pay off when reality is 50% of teams NGA hasn't yielded 5 decent games, many none. My brother barracks for the Blues he said they've yielded less than eggs smith.

So how can the Tigers possibly improve ours? Send 5-10 employees and build a state of the art facility in Shepparton? We can't even build Punt Rd! The Northern teams have all their existing infrastructure and just have to invite their kids to be welcome. Give them an hour talk with the dietician and send them away with an info pack to show their mum their ideal dietary requirements. A kid does a hammy or rolls his ankle.. tell him to call in after school give him a massage and show his mum how to tape it up. While he's there give him some free merch and game tickets. The NGA is a farce to fool clubs and supporters that they have an academy too.
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All I meant was that the way the non QLD/NSW academies were structured there was no point in doing anything serious about it. Now you can get the good kids there may be a point. Some serious professional help for indigenous and whatever non-traditional background means kids will help. But then why invest if you don't trust the AFL to just change the rules again?

apples and Aardvarks.
You have a turn of phrase.

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richoplzbreed said:
We don't have anything to learn from them at all as the comparison isn't even apples and oranges it's bloody apples and Aardvarks. The Northern teams have access to any and every kid in their state. We have access to "indigenous" kids and exotically backgrounded ones that no one can define. Dion Prestias parents are Italian... would he qualify?

The Brisbane Academy kid Marshall plays for Sandringham Deagons..... htf does that mean he's affiliated with Brisbane? Last I checked that's a 20 hour drive.
Our Chernobyl wasteland zone Shepparton is 3 hours away. The next Isaac Heeney or Zeke Uwland can get shown extra love and attention, I'm sure the Northern clubs would have them at training every chance which is easy when they probably live 10 mins from their club. What efforts can we really do with kids 3 hours away? And why bother anyway? If a farmer toiled in a field for 8 years and his only harvest was 1 decent game out of eggmessy, he'd move on. But Victorian clubs are stupid they hold on to hope that it'll pay off when reality is 50% of teams NGA hasn't yielded 5 decent games, many none. My brother barracks for the Blues he said they've yielded less than eggs smith.

So how can the Tigers possibly improve ours? Send 5-10 employees and build a state of the art facility in Shepparton? We can't even build Punt Rd! The Northern teams have all their existing infrastructure and just have to invite their kids to be welcome. Give them an hour talk with the dietician and send them away with an info pack to show their mum their ideal dietary requirements. A kid does a hammy or rolls his ankle.. tell him to call in after school give him a massage and show his mum how to tape it up. While he's there give him some free merch and game tickets. The NGA is a farce to fool clubs and supporters that they have an academy too.
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Not a bad idea...identify them early, move them to Shepparton and reap the rewards.
 
There are 4 Richmond NGA players featuring in Flying Boomerangs and World Team programs
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Game 1

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Lynkoln Richardson 23/01/2010 174 cm
Zaine Atkinson-McGuinness 14/01/2009 192 cm

Game 2
Flying Boomerangs
Levi McClelland 08/11/2009 189 cm

World team
Sioeli Fangaloka 19/03/2009 180 cm

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Young stars to feature in Flying Boomerangs and World Team programs

The most promising Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander and Multicultural boys Australian Rules footballers aged 15-and-under will take part in the Flying Boomerangs and World Team programs this week
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Muddiemoose said:
Needs it absolutely but the AFL won’t except for half measures especially if it impacts the expansion clubs in the “growth areas” like NSW and QLD

The afl needs GWS and Gold Coast to be competitive or winning flags so it will pull every lever they can to make it possible even if it means that the Lions and Sydney can ride on the coattails of those benefits when they probably shouldn’t have them

Tassie won’t get half the benefits the northern expansion clubs get
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Tassie probably gets an academy for tassie too. That's nsw, Queensland and tassie as state of origin. I don't mind that, but then do the rest. Give us Richmond to Shepparton and the tiwi islands. Move kangaroos to tassie to have 2 teams to share that zone to leave enough room for the other melbourne teams. Drafting just for the kids not picked up in their zone. That gives every club incentive to really help their zone, visit schools, train coaches etc. Then it's fair again as your drafting reflects your work in an area and in recruiting young kids who could be lost to other sports.
 
panatha1908 said:
Tassie probably gets an academy for tassie too. That's nsw, Queensland and tassie as state of origin. I don't mind that, but then do the rest. Give us Richmond to Shepparton and the tiwi islands. Move kangaroos to tassie to have 2 teams to share that zone to leave enough room for the other melbourne teams. Drafting just for the kids not picked up in their zone. That gives every club incentive to really help their zone, visit schools, train coaches etc. Then it's fair again as your drafting reflects your work in an area and in recruiting young kids who could be lost to other sports.
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Only shit thing about a Tassie SSO is I bet the afl give them access to Riewoldts son and maybe Nank
 
Dr Tigris said:
After it totally obvious that NSW and QLD are 'developed' as far as young AFL talent goes they will change the way it all works. Only real issue I see is that the northern academies are obviously well run and they really get outsized results. If they take away the clubs ability to pick players I reckon the clubs will disinvest and the talent from QLD NSW will drop off.

We really need to learn from the northern academies to improve ours. But then until they changed the rules it wasn't worth putting effort in as you couldn't pick up talented players from vic academies. Stupid rule - "develop academies ... but you can't pick the good players that you develop"
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You would never take away the ability to pick ,no one says that , it’s competitive balance mean)ng if nominated in r1 that’s the price you pay . There’s the benefit they can still pick them up even if finishing top 4 or winning the flag , still think they won’t invest pigz,,,,it’s still a unique advantage no other bastard gets
 
panatha1908 said:
Tassie probably gets an academy for tassie too. That's nsw, Queensland and tassie as state of origin. I don't mind that, but then do the rest. Give us Richmond to Shepparton and the tiwi islands. Move kangaroos to tassie to have 2 teams to share that zone to leave enough room for the other melbourne teams. Drafting just for the kids not picked up in their zone. That gives every club incentive to really help their zone, visit schools, train coaches etc. Then it's fair again as your drafting reflects your work in an area and in recruiting young kids who could be lost to other sports.
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It’s shithouse , the only freebie we get is access to nga
 
Bojangles17 said:
You would never take away the ability to pick ,no one says that , it’s competitive balance mean)ng if nominated in r1 that’s the price you pay . There’s the benefit they can still pick them up even if finishing top 4 or winning the flag , still think they won’t invest pigz,,,,it’s still a unique advantage no other bastard gets
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Exactly.

It would be comparable to if you had access to front row concert tickets before they went on sale to the public. There is no need to also get these tickets cheaper than the public - the mere fact that you’ve got access to the best seats in the house should be adequate.

Father/son recipient clubs not only receive the best front row tickets before anyone else gets a look in, but they also get to access them a lot cheaper.

This double benefit is totally unnecessary.
 
Bojangles17 said:
You would never take away the ability to pick ,no one says that , it’s competitive balance mean)ng if nominated in r1 that’s the price you pay . There’s the benefit they can still pick them up even if finishing top 4 or winning the flag , still think they won’t invest pigz,,,,it’s still a unique advantage no other bastard gets
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I was talking about the 'old' rules where the non-NSW/QLD clubs had an academy but couldn't pick their good players. Only the ones ast pick 40. It was poorly phrased. But if they did the same thing to he NSW/QLD academies then investment would stop.

I guess I really was talking about how the AFL keep making ad hoc rule changes that impact decisions based on stability over years. Anyway, poorly phrased but basically saying that unless you get access to eh good kids clubs won't invest. The new rules should mean investment. Coz if you get a top 5 pick player you can get them np matter where your picks are.
 
GhostofJimJess said:
Exactly.

It would be comparable to if you had access to front row concert tickets before they went on sale to the public. There is no need to also get these tickets cheaper than the public - the mere fact that you’ve got access to the best seats in the house should be adequate.

Father/son recipient clubs not only receive the best front row tickets before anyone else gets a look in, but they also get to access them a lot cheaper.

This double benefit is totally unnecessary.
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Exactly my point it’s ludicrous , only the afl could come up with that
 

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