Vic The joke that is the Victorian Liberal Party.

[Jascave]

What the Victorian Liberals need right now is an effective opposition leader (ie Tony Abbott) who could strike deep wounds into the government so badly that Labor could start thinking about replacing Jacinta Allen leading into the 2026 Vic state election.

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[Vindicater]

SA libs also in trouble big time. Sliding to the Christian right at an alarming speed.

 

[Saint]

What the Victorian Liberals need right now is an effective opposition leader (ie Tony Abbott) who could strike deep wounds into the government so badly that Labor could start thinking about replacing Jacinta Allen leading into the 2026 Vic state election.

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Oh god no. They need somebody who can propose decent policies and legislation. Rather than criticise, present an alternative Government.

The Tony Abbott schtick only works when most people hate the Govt (as they do in the inherently corrupt states of NSW, Qld and WA). The Federal Libs present as "No Govt is better than this Govt".

But in Victoria (Melbourne), most people believe Government has an important role to play. Saying you'll get in Govt and do nothing but undo and repeal isn't going to win a lot of votes in Melbourne. The city is growing massively and has lots of associated challenges which need to be addressed.

The Vic Libs need an idea of what they stand for. It can't be the reactionary anti-intellectualism of Morrison and Dutton. Somebody like Turnbull is somebody who could win back the inner-eastern and sandbelt seats they've lost. (Maybe less rich and a bit more personable).

 

[Harro59]

SA libs also in trouble big time. Sliding to the Christian right at an alarming speed.

They truly are garbage. The Christian right is only part of there problem. Like the Vic Libs they are simply useless.

 

[peetoo]

Lockdown brought it home to many state govts have a much more direct influence on our lives

 

[Northalives]

They truly are garbage. The Christian right is only part of there problem. Like the Vic Libs they are simply useless.

The Pentecostals are a "blessing" for those of us who have nothing but contempt for the Liberal Party.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

The Pentecostals are a "blessing" for those of us who have nothing but contempt for the Liberal Party.

God help us if they ever get into power though.

 

[Bagger72]

Unfortunately for us Victorians - every single one of them is beyond useless.

 

[Saint]

Having a decent opposition is critical for a functional democracy in the system we have. When we're being let-down by the media as well as the opposition, our democracy is in real trouble.

Thank god for cross-benchers in the upper-house.

 

[peetoo]

Having a decent opposition is critical for a functional democracy in the system we have. When we're being let-down by the media as well as the opposition, our democracy is in real trouble.

Thank god for cross-benchers in the upper-house.

We might get one, but it may not be liberal

 

[Saint]

We might get one, but it may not be liberal

Opposition coalition of the Nationals, Pentecostals and Greens?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Shadow Housing Minister Richard Riordan says "Victorian tenancy laws are so strict that perfectly liveable houses are no longer rentable". Richard, mate, have you seen some of these houses? You basically want people to live in slums. If anything, the minimum standards for housing should be tightened because they've allowed dogbox apartments to be built without a reasonable amount of natural light in the past.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/victorias-shadow-housing-minister-slams-rental-advocate-jordan-van-den-berg-after-promoting-squatting-on-the-project/news-story/a4f14dd1c3923704002ce91d1ec68531

 

[peetoo]

Shadow Housing Minister Richard Riordan says "Victorian tenancy laws are so strict that perfectly liveable houses are no longer rentable". Richard, mate, have you seen some of these houses? You basically want people to live in slums. If anything, the minimum standards for housing should be tightened because they've allowed dogbox apartments to be built without a reasonable amount of natural light in the past.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/victorias-shadow-housing-minister-slams-rental-advocate-jordan-van-den-berg-after-promoting-squatting-on-the-project/news-story/a4f14dd1c3923704002ce91d1ec68531

Matthew guys dog boxes

 

[geoffjennings79]

Pesutto is a clown.

On ABC Melbourne this morning politicising gendered domestic violence.

His prime example was the 'bail, parole and post-sentence' system needs to be 'fixed'.

Said he's met Celeste Manno's parents, and had 'people from the march' (which he chose not to attend) 'in his office'.

I'd like to know how Mr POSutto would explain the deaths of Samantha Murphy and Hannah McGuire, as neither of their perpetrators were involved in the 'bail, parole and post-sentence' system?

Politicising this issue with every response (most of it inferred as he twisted and turned to avoid direct answers to Epstein's questions) is disgusting.

 

[The Punter]

Pesutto is a clown.

On ABC Melbourne this morning politicising gendered domestic violence.

His prime example was the 'bail, parole and post-sentence' system needs to be 'fixed'.

Said he's met Celeste Manno's parents, and had 'people from the march' (which he chose not to attend) 'in his office'.

I'd like to know how Mr POSutto would explain the deaths of Samantha Murphy and Hannah McGuire, as neither of their perpetrators were involved in the 'bail, parole and post-sentence' system?

Politicising this issue with every response (most of it inferred as he twisted and turned to avoid direct answers to Epstein's questions) is disgusting.

The man arrested and facing charges over the death of Hannah McGuire was indeed out on bail.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/hannah-mcguire-took-steps-to-increase-her-safety-two-days-before-alleged-murder/news-story/54d8998253840aeef007394c083dd0f6

 

[geoffjennings79]

The man arrested and facing charges over the death of Hannah McGuire was indeed out on bail.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/hannah-mcguire-took-steps-to-increase-her-safety-two-days-before-alleged-murder/news-story/54d8998253840aeef007394c083dd0f6

Ok, I stand corrected on that one. But my opinion of Pesutto still stands. In fact I'm so p1ssed off with his grubbiness this morning, I've shot his office off an email (including my name, phone number and address, but I doubt I'll get any response), to express my disgust.

 

[tandino]

Ok, I stand corrected on that one. But my opinion of Pesutto still stands. In fact I'm so p1ssed off with his grubbiness this morning, I've shot his office off an email (including my name, phone number and address, but I doubt I'll get any response), to express my disgust.

So given that, are his points on the bail, parole and post-sentence system now relevant?

 

[The Punter]

So given that, are his points on the bail, parole and post-sentence system now relevant?

Certainly more than one of the women killed by men this year in Australia were out on bail. If this is the crisis we all truly believe it is, perhaps the time to speak about possible solutions is right now.

 

[geoffjennings79]

So given that, are his points on the bail, parole and post-sentence system now relevant?

I didn't actually say they were irrelevant, my main point, which still stands, is him trying to politicise what is a national crisis. Happy to be corrected on Hannah McGuire's killer as I've acknowledged. He tried to infer the state govt is more to blame in Vic, even though it's a challenge for every single jurisdiction. Epstein gave him an opportunity at one point to comment on the positive feedback the state govt has received from various groups for some of their work, even though everyone knows more needs to be done. All he did was avoid the question.
It's just more talk, like the committee in Life of Brian. He doesn't have a solution, just wants to use gendered domestic violence for partisan politics.
He's not alone though. Rather than marching, maybe the PM and others should be looking at actions that can be put in place ASAP.
If that's state and national bail/parole tightening, as part of a broader solution, fine. But discuss it as a broader issue and leave partisanship and sniping aside.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Certainly more than one of the women killed by men this year in Australia were out on bail. If this is the crisis we all truly believe it is, perhaps the time to speak about possible solutions is right now.

Too much speaking, too little action though.
I don't want to hear more politicians, of any stripe, talking about the crisis in the media.
Get their heads together and ACT.
Stop marching, trying to score political points, etc and set a rapid time frame to make positive change.
Talk of educating men is fine, but meanwhile another woman has been killed in WA.

 

[The Punter]

Too much speaking, too little action though.
I don't want to hear more politicians, of any stripe, talking about the crisis in the media.
Get their heads together and ACT.
Stop marching, trying to score political points, etc and set a rapid time frame to make positive change.
Talk of educating men is fine, but meanwhile another woman has been killed in WA.

All oppositions can do is talk until governments invite them to work together. The state opposition is about to introduce a bill relating to sexual offences that turns into action a recommendation from the Royal Commission into Child Abuse yet to be enacted. The long term Government needs to be held to account here.

 

[tandino]

I didn't actually say they were irrelevant, my main point, which still stands, is him trying to politicise what is a national crisis. Happy to be corrected on Hannah McGuire's killer as I've acknowledged. He tried to infer the state govt is more to blame in Vic, even though it's a challenge for every single jurisdiction. Epstein gave him an opportunity at one point to comment on the positive feedback the state govt has received from various groups for some of their work, even though everyone knows more needs to be done. All he did was avoid the question.
It's just more talk, like the committee in Life of Brian. He doesn't have a solution, just wants to use gendered domestic violence for partisan politics.
He's not alone though. Rather than marching, maybe the PM and others should be looking at actions that can be put in place ASAP.
If that's state and national bail/parole tightening, as part of a broader solution, fine. But discuss it as a broader issue and leave partisanship and sniping aside.

The state government do not have the luxury for this issue not to be treated as a 'political issue'. It goes to outcomes of policy decisions in areas of justice and health, and compromises and opportunity costs over all facets of public policy. It's inherently an issue that an opposition is entitled to hold feet to the fire of a Government that has been in power for 10 years.

I went back and had a listen to the conversation. Frankly you're getting worked up over nothing.

 

[geoffjennings79]

All oppositions can do is talk until governments invite them to work together. The state opposition is about to introduce a bill relating to sexual offences that turns into action a recommendation from the Royal Commission into Child Abuse yet to be enacted. The long term Government needs to be held to account here.

Ok, and that's good. I thought all RC recommendations had been accepted and passed, but if not, happy to see action on that front.
I'd rather see national action holding all levels of govt to account. Having inconsistent laws on this issue between states helps no one. Federal AG needs to get state AGs in a room and knock some heads together.
(I know it's not that simple, but it's really gone well beyond talk.)

 

[Saint]

Ok, and that's good. I thought all RC recommendations had been accepted and passed, but if not, happy to see action on that front.
I'd rather see national action holding all levels of govt to account. Having inconsistent laws on this issue between states helps no one. Federal AG needs to get state AGs in a room and knock some heads together.
(I know it's not that simple, but it's really gone well beyond talk.)

I'd rather see a battle between the states of who can have the best laws than one of who has the least-bad laws.

Letting the Opposition get a bill up in this space would show that it's truly bipartisan here and hopefully lead to more.

Stick a working group from ALP, Libs, Nats, Greens and a socialist into a committee room and get something decent done. Not just recommendations or next steps, get the legislation together, ready to pass. Take it in turns to put the bills up.

 

[The Punter]

Just for the record, there is no chance the bill will pass.

If it is introduced in the lower house (which I believe it will be as it is Michael O'Brien introducing it), it won't even be debated.

If it is introduced in the upper house, it will be debated and may even pass (the crossbench are unhappy with the government at the moment), but then it will be defeated in the lower house.

If the government thinks the reforms are a good idea, after defeating the Liberal bill, they will introduce their own bill that the opposition will probably support or at least not oppose. That way the reform will happen, there will be actual bipartisanship, but the Liberal Party will get none of the credit for either the reform or the bipartisanship.