For those that covet the #1 pick

[Tiger_4_Life]

We're guaranteed pick 2 aren't we? Unless we stupidly win more than one more

 

[SunshineBoy]

We're guaranteed pick 2 aren't we? Unless we stupidly win more than one more

Even then we will need to make up 7% to lose pick 2

 

[Tygrys]

pick 1 is not worth the shame of a wooden spoon

Wooden spoons were historically shameful, you'd have absolutely nothing to show for them. Now thanks to the champagne socialists running the AFL it's turned into a glittering prize. Come November 20, with the exception of the reigning premiers, we'll be the most envied club in the league.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I just wanna win something this year, even if it's a wooden spoon

We are flag favourites in the mobility scooters, Grand Final(s) tomorrow, the big one, against the filth.

VWFL Grand Final | Tigers to face Pies in finale

Richmond and Collingwood will fight it out in both the Victorian Wheelchair Football League and Community Wheelchair Football League Grand Finals on Sunday.

www.richmondfc.com.au

Richmond never goes home empty handed these days.

 

[Noidnadroj]

Going back to the last 20 x years : here is my assessment of the best player from the top-5 picks:

2004 : Buddy 5
2005: Pendles 5
2006: Boak 5
2007: Cotchin 2
2008: NicNat 2
2009: Martin 3
2010: Gaff 4
2011: Coniglio 2
2012: : Whitfield 1
2013: Bont 4
2014: Trac 2
2015: Oliver 4
2016: McCluggage 3
2017: LDU 4
2018: Rankine 3
2019: Jackson 3
2020: JHU 1
2021: Naicos 4
2022: Scheezel 3
2023: Reid 1

There were a few close calls (Gaff over Swallow, Oliver over Weitering, Rankine over Walsh).

But here it is:

#1 = 3 times best player from top-5
#2 = 4
#3 = 5
#4 = 5
#5 = 3

And most years there has been a standout #1. This year there isn’t, so even more chance of #1 not being the best.

Split the pick I say!


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[sanaya]

i prefer pick 1 because it means that toes will have to nut up and show his worth & talents as a recruiter (alongside our talent scouts) rather than getting sloppy seconds from norf


in saying that, for all you draftanon people who are against having pick 1 because of reasons............ just bid on ashcroft? easy pick 2

 

[beema limapep]

You had me till you mentioned integrity of the competition

Yep. Many of these folks who talk about integrity have been dead silent or also almost never have had an issue with the free kick differential, the way Hardwick left, the northern academies, the stand rule etc etc.

If we were to tank for a quarter it would be the least contraversial thing of all of the above atrocities by a long long shot.

There is the way some people think the competition is, and then there is the cold hard reality. Let's not be naive folks.

 

[Tygrys]

Yep. Many of these folks who talk about integrity have been dead silent or also almost never have had an issue with the free kick differential, the way Hardwick left, the northern academies, the stand rule etc etc.

If we were to tank for a quarter it would be the least contraversial thing of all of the above atrocities by a long long shot.

There is the way some people think the competition is, and then there is the cold hard reality. Let's not be naive folks.

That's why I advocate (assuming his kids are good enough) contracting Pickett for another year and getting him to 100 games even if it means he plays every game as a sub. The system is utterly corrupt and not the least bit a level playing field. If we can ruthlessly and cynically manipulate that system within the 'rules' we should have no hesitation in doing so. Frankly we won't even get a participation ribbon from the AFL if we don't.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Do you realise that the last #1 pick to win a flag with the team that drafted him was Luke Hodge (2001 draft)? And that since then only one #1 draftee has won a flag at all (Tom Boyd)?

It's not worth debasing yourselves, hoping for a loss against a club we should enjoy seeing take the spoon away.

It's not so much the number of the pick but the player you chose.

With pick 1 you have first choice of any player in the draft (except for other clubs academy and f/s player of course). You just need to make sure who you pick is the correct one.

 

[The_Kraken]

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I’d hate to see what you’ve got stashed under your bed.

 

[Frank Grimes]

But here it is:

#1 = 3 times best player from top-5
#2 = 4
#3 = 5
#4 = 5
#5 = 3

And most years there has been a standout #1. This year there isn’t, so even more chance of #1 not being the best.

Split the pick I say!


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Over the last 20 years with the best top 5 player still available at that pick (I.e having the opportunity to pick the best player):

Pick 1: 20
Pick 2: 17
Pick 3: 13
Pick 4: 10
Pick 5: 5

 

[All Aust]

Do you realise

 

[Area51]

Short

 

[Mr Magic]

Did you also know there has been more Brownlow medalists at pick 58 (Neale, Swan) than there has at pick 1? (Cooney)

Not interested in Brownlow bullshit medals, only Norm Smiths

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Our last pick 1 was Deledio in 2004. His departure after a quite decorated career with us got us pick 15 which we split into 2 picks:

pick 20 Coleman-Jones, later traded for one of the two picks used to secure Taranto, and

pick 25 with which we drafted Balta, 2020 Premiership player who if he was to depart as a free agent next year would almost certainly net us a top 5 pick.


Our top 10 picks from 2007 onwards:

pick 2 Cotchin triple flag skipper

pick 8 Vickery, whose departure as a free agent got us the pick we used to get Bolton, double flag player and possibly about to net us 2-3 rd 1 picks in a trade.

pick 3 D Martin GOAT, triple flag superstar

pick 6 Conca - 100+ games but ultimately a dead end for us.

pick 9 Vlastuin - triple flag gun

pick 9 Gibcus - looks a future star but shocking injuries early in his career.

So from when we first appointed Francis Jackson as a full time recruiter, we have had a sensational record with high draft picks, whether directly, or with the picks we have received trading them out.

When you finish bottom you don't just get pick 1, you get the first pick in every round, plus the rookie and pre-season drafts.

Wooden spooners v 2nd bottom since 2000...

2000 WS Saints v 2nd bottom Pies. They drew the 2010 GF, Pies won the replay. Pies & Saints both lost GF's to Geelong either side of that, Saints way more impressively. Pies got the flag but probably line ball as to which tam actually performed better as a result of the draftees from this era.

2001 WS Fremantle v 2nd bottom Saints. Fremantle had a GF team including 1 player drafted this year, but Saints did better overall. 1-0 second bottom.

2002 WS Blues v second bottom Saints. Saints easily did better. 2-0 second bottom.

2003 Bulldogs WS v Blues second bottom. Bulldogs did better easily. 2-1 second bottom leads.

2004 Richmond WS v Hawks second bottom. Hawks did better with 4 flags v 3 and more top 4 finishes. 3-1 second bottom.

2005 Carlton WS v Pies. Pies easily. 4-1 second bottom.

2006 Carlton WS v Bombers. Cripple fight. Too tight to split.

2007 Richmond WS v Blues. Tigers easily. 4-2 second bottom leads.

2008 Melbourne WS v Eagles. Eagles did better here. 5-2 second bottom leads.

2009 Melbourne WS v Richmond. Tigers did better. 6-2 second bottom leads.

2010 Eagles WS v Tigers. Tigers did better. 7-2 second bottom.

2011 Port WS v Suns. No doubt Port have done better. 7-3 second bottom leads.

2012 Giants WS v Suns. Giants have done better. 7-4 second bottom leads.

2013 Giants WS v Demons. Dees have a flag nd they probably have a similar amount of top 4 finishes so Demons. 8-4 second bottom leads.

2014 Saints WS v Demons. Demons easily. 9-4 second bottom.

2015 Blues WS v Lions. Lions have done better. 10-4 second bottom leads.

2016 Bombers WS v Lions. Lions easily. 11-4 second bottom leads.

2017 Lions WS v Suns. Lions easily. 11-5 second bottom leads.

2018 Blues WS v Suns. Blues easily, so far. 11-6 second bottom.

2019 Suns WS v Demons. Demons easily. 12-6 second bottom leads.

2020 Adelaide WS v North. Crows in front so far. 12-7 second bottom leads.

2021 North WS v Pies. Pies easily, so far. 13-7 second bottom leads.

2022 North WS v Eagles. Too early and close to call.

2023 Eagles WS v North. Ditto.


So whether in the long term or short term, teams finishing second bottom seem to have done a lot better more often than teams finishing bottom.

Having looked at all that, it is probably in our interests to beat North and avoid the dreaded wooden spoon.

6 times the wooden spoon has been won by a team who went on to win at least one flag in the period.
10 times the runner-up to the spoon team has won at least one flag since.

has a confirmed 50 % track record from top 10 , rmtwo of those being top 3 picks.
It’s a fail !
Trying to milk what those players when traded netted is clutching .

 

[wegetpumped]

We are flag favourites in the mobility scooters, Grand Final(s) tomorrow, the big one, against the filth.

VWFL Grand Final | Tigers to face Pies in finale

Richmond and Collingwood will fight it out in both the Victorian Wheelchair Football League and Community Wheelchair Football League Grand Finals on Sunday.

www.richmondfc.com.au

Richmond never goes home empty handed these days.

We can send some of AFL team for backup they will fit right in

 

[Cleansweep17]

pick 1 is not worth the shame of a wooden spoon

When people compare club success it’s only about flags. Spoons I guess can be the tie breaker.

Carlton has more spoons than the Pies. But if they win the flag this year everybody will say they are the most successful football club with 17 flags.

Getting pick 1 also means we could draft the next club/AFL Legend.

So I’m very much over it, let’s get pick 1

 

[TJTIGER]

Would you trade pick 1 for pick 2 if we finish bottom?

I’d give serious thought to 2 picks in top 5 for pick 1 if it didn’t impact our picks at the other stages of drafting?

 

[TJTIGER]

When people compare club success it’s only about flags. Spoons I guess can be the tie breaker.

Carlton has more spoons than the Pies. But if they win the flag this year everybody will say they are the most successful football club with 17 flags.

Getting pick 1 also means we could draft the next club/AFL Legend.

So I’m very much over it, let’s get pick 1

If your gonna go preAFL entry wouldn’t it be Port Adelaide? I think they have 36/37 flags all up?

 

[Cleansweep17]

If your gonna go preAFL entry wouldn’t it be Port Adelaide? I think they have 36/37 flags all up?

The AFL is the expanded VFL. They joined our comp as expansion teams and we changed the name (not the comp) to be more inclusive. So their flags don’t count.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Going back to the last 20 x years : here is my assessment of the best player from the top-5 picks:

2004 : Buddy 5
2005: Pendles 5
2006: Boak 5
2007: Cotchin 2
2008: NicNat 2
2009: Martin 3
2010: Gaff 4
2011: Coniglio 2
2012: : Whitfield 1
2013: Bont 4
2014: Trac 2
2015: Oliver 4
2016: McCluggage 3
2017: LDU 4
2018: Rankine 3
2019: Jackson 3
2020: JHU 1
2021: Naicos 4
2022: Scheezel 3
2023: Reid 1

There were a few close calls (Gaff over Swallow, Oliver over Weitering, Rankine over Walsh).

But here it is:

#1 = 3 times best player from top-5
#2 = 4
#3 = 5
#4 = 5
#5 = 3

And most years there has been a standout #1. This year there isn’t, so even more chance of #1 not being the best.

Split the pick I say!


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What were Reid and JHF godfather offers for pick 1?

 

[Groupie_]

pick 1 is not worth the shame of a wooden spoon

well it farrken is now innit

 

[_DBF_]

Main reason I’ve wanted pick one is because there isn’t a standout but we may get an offer to split


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[Stigmata]

Do you realise that the last #1 pick to win a flag with the team that drafted him was Luke Hodge (2001 draft)? And that since then only one #1 draftee has won a flag at all (Tom Boyd)?

It's not worth debasing yourselves, hoping for a loss against a club we should enjoy seeing take the spoon away.

Nick daicos would have been pick 1 if father son wasn't an option

 

[Stigmata]

And

Do you realise that the last #1 pick to win a flag with the team that drafted him was Luke Hodge (2001 draft)? And that since then only one #1 draftee has won a flag at all (Tom Boyd)?

It's not worth debasing yourselves, hoping for a loss against a club we should enjoy seeing take the spoon away.

And when we got the spoon in 2007 we got Trent Cochin