Coaching Staff Former Coach Ben "Truck" Rutten - Sacked for real this time - 21/8

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Only got half the press conference coz Channel 7 likes the sound of their own voices better:
  • Comprehensively beaten, scoreboard flattered us. Contest work, pressure, tackling so much better than ours.
  • The night, ground, opposition demanded a contested high pressure tackling game and we weren't up for it.
  • Swans were up for the fight. Look across our squad/team didn't show the resolve or steely-ness to maintain that we needed to, got off track and didn't get back on it.
  • Near the contest it is easier to tackle because the ball is right there, but when you're further away and you're slow to react, second to the ball, it's harder. Lots of missed/broken tackles (this is his favourite stat I think)
  • sigh
  • Asked about Shiel: Yeah you're right, don't want to single players out. Game requires to run, tackle, win the ball, chase out after it, surging and .... [some other stuff I didn't catch]. Senior players have to get down and do the work and show the way. Tonight was a night that required it, didn't do it.
 

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On-field leadership seems like more of an issue than the coach.
 
BomberManU said:
Is Rutten really going to be given the time to turn over the list? It's the only sane course of action, but will take a long, long time. Footy clubs aren't the most patient organisations.
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Nail. Hammer. Head.

Well said.
 
cobra land said:
Well you have to play with the list you have unfortunately and as I've said previously it seemed to work last season, I thought we may have continued to implement that same style with a few minor tweaks ?
Instead we are back to the style that Worsfold had us playing.
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You do realise that Woosha did what you want Rutten to do right? Made finals in 2017 playing an attacking brand of football. Regressed at the beginning of 2018 trying to teach and implement a defensive element to our game. The players started learning the brand by the end of the year. Completely abandoned defence in 2019 because we started shit. The rest is history.
cobra land said:
Please, we made the eight last season so it worked, just tweak it to suit our list.
They way we are playing at the moment is pathetic and we are losing supporters in droves, just read the comments on here.
I refuse to go and watch that crap they're playing at the moment and I have been a members for over 25 years and I can't remember ever feeling this way.
FWIW I'm not in the sack Rutten camp but he needs to change the way were playing because the club is a laughing stock at the moment.
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What he needs to do is change the list, not revert to an attacking brand of football that won't stand up in finals. The way we're currently playing is not his direction. Last year, we were by far the best tackling team in the competition. The players have decided that they don't want to tackle anymore. I'm 100% certain that Rutten didn't tell them to stop tackling.
We need a coach that sticks to his guns and actually sees his vision through. Otherwise, the whole club will continue to be bereft of leaders.
 
BomberManU said:
Is Rutten really going to be given the time to turn over the list? It's the only sane course of action, but will take a long, long time. Footy clubs aren't the most patient organisations.
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I was at a function last week where Simon Madden (Board Member) spoke. He said it will be “a tough 3-4-5 years” of development / pain

The board think it or know it. The pressure will become immense if the team continues this way. It will be interesting who goes first, the board or the coach.

Personally, I think we have good talent on our list. Why they are playing like fairy floss, I don’t know.
 
JayJ20 said:
You do realise that Woosha did what you want Rutten to do right? Made finals in 2017 playing an attacking brand of football. Regressed at the beginning of 2018 trying to teach and implement a defensive element to our game. The players started learning the brand by the end of the year. Completely abandoned defence in 2019 because we started shit. The rest is history.

What he needs to do is change the list, not revert to an attacking brand of football that won't stand up in finals. The way we're currently playing is not his direction. Last year, we were by far the best tackling team in the competition. The players have decided that they don't want to tackle anymore. I'm 100% certain that Rutten didn't tell them to stop tackling.
We need a coach that sticks to his guns and actually sees his vision through. Otherwise, the whole club will continue to be bereft of leaders.
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Yep keep the excuses coming, we have gone backwards which ever way you dress it.
Good coaches will change the style of play if it's not working but hey nothing to see here, we are flying.
 
bacon buster said:
I was at a function last week where Simon Madden (Board Member) spoke. He said it will be “a tough 3-4-5 years” of development / pain

The board think it or know it. The pressure will become immense if the team continues this way. It will be interesting who goes first, the board or the coach.

Personally, I think we have good talent on our list. Why they are playing like fairy floss, I don’t know.
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I can tell you right now.
 

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Bombermania said:
The problem with Clarko is when he coached Hawthorn there was an ingrained culture that demanded success and if it wasn't delivered guys like Dermie and Jason would not hesitate to poke the finger.
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Hawks had been a bunch of soft ***** for 20 odd years before Clarko even started. Took Mark Johnson rag dolling one of their boys to really set Dermie alight

Similar to us right now really
 
The Bomb said:
Blue collar = Mills 13 tackles
Neeld and Tim Watson level coaching.
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Parish 1, Merrett 1, McGrath 2, Shiel 2...

Not sure you can blame the coach for the effort/ missed tackles but I am keen to know why players are zoning rather than going man on man and why we seem to be allowing players to run into position unchallenged week in, week out. Why does our structure keep falling over and why do we continue to allow opposition teams to dissect our defence so easily? it kind of reminds me of the Matthew Knights era. \

Is it a game plan issue?
 
DERO said:
Parish 1, Merrett 1, McGrath 2, Shiel 2...

Not sure you can blame the coach for the effort/ missed tackles but I am keen to know why players are zoning rather than going man on man and why we seem to be allowing players to run into position unchallenged week in, week out. Why does our structure keep falling over and why do we continue to allow opposition teams to dissect our defence so easily? it kind of reminds me of the Matthew Knights era. \

Is it a game plan issue?
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It's a players having a sook at being told to be accountable and not play bruise free football issue.

Exactly like Knights actually.
 
Would be very happy for him to drop all the senior players that aren’t doing what’s asked/expected of them, even if we don’t have the players to replace them. Players like McBride or Mcdonagh can take Shiel and co’s positions and we can lose every game by 100 points for all I care. Don’t let them play unless they’re prepared to play the way they’re expected to.
 
The Bomb said:
Fans have already lost respect for Rutten as coach, standards need to be set early, Rutten allows players to be soft, look at the Ham selections, Ham hates contact but gets games. Poor selection if you want blue collar.
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Absolutely this.

Had a huge chance to earn that respect back by sustaining the demotion of Shiel but removed any substance when he was semi demoted to medical sub.
 
The Bomb said:
Fans have already lost respect for Rutten as coach, standards need to be set early, Rutten allows players to be soft, look at the Ham selections, Ham hates contact but gets games. Poor selection if you want blue collar.
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The fans that have lost 'respect' for Rutten, are also the ones who are seeking a quick fix followed by equally quick tears when it falls apart.
 
yodellinhank said:
You think we should get Mark Johnson to rag doll one of the players?
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Yes. Yes I do

Btw I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not.
Duckworth said:
The fans that have lost 'respect' for Rutten, are also the ones who are seeking a quick fix followed by equally quick tears when it falls apart.
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maybe the fans want to hear more than “we are working towards playing the way we want to play”

What is the way we want to play? What are the non negotiables?

Everything seems negotiable at the moment
 
The Bomb said:
Fans have already lost respect for Rutten as coach, standards need to be set early, Rutten allows players to be soft, look at the Ham selections, Ham hates contact but gets games. Poor selection if you want blue collar.
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Big ****ing deal.
 
The Bomb said:
Fans have already lost respect for Rutten as coach, standards need to be set early, Rutten allows players to be soft, look at the Ham selections, Ham hates contact but gets games. Poor selection if you want blue collar.
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He gets an out because we couldn’t pick a 22 without selecting some players allergic to contact. This is on the list builders.
 

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