Coaching Staff Former Coach Ben "Truck" Rutten - Sacked for real this time - 21/8

[Call Me Cake]

Knights didn't have an entire year to be mentored. An affordability most new coaches do not get.

An entire year which was supposed to negate the need for us to then, 3 years later, have to embark on a review to supposedly look for more support and more mentoring.

At some point the babying needs to stop. You're either it, or you're not.

 

[Lore]

Knights didn't have an entire year to be mentored. An affordability most new coaches do not get.

An entire year which was supposed to negate the need for us to then, 3 years later, have to embark on a review to supposedly look for more support and more mentoring.

At some point the babying needs to stop. You're either it, or you're not.

I don't think Knights is the example you want to hold up as a success story, lol

 

[Call Me Cake]

I don't think Knights is the example you want to hold up as a success story, lol

You must not have read my post correctly because I wasn't using him as a success story. Citizen-e stated that he'd like to be more patient, and cited Knights having 2.5 years as a prior example of us being impatient - when really it was us cutting our losses while we still could.

However I brought up the fact that Knights didn't have an entire year dedicated to him to settle in and be mentored as an example for why Rutten should be held in a different regard, and for why he shouldn't be going down the same path as Knights, nor should we be facing a circumstance, 3 years later, where more mentoring is to be had.

 

[supportyourteam]

Go Truck. You can do it.

 

[ant555]

Knights didn't have an entire year to be mentored. An affordability most new coaches do not get.

An entire year which was supposed to negate the need for us to then, 3 years later, have to embark on a review to supposedly look for more support and more mentoring.

At some point the babying needs to stop. You're either it, or you're not.

Not sure the mentoring was all that great anyway. How much do you get from a coach who checked out before the start of the previous season an also made a very bad decision to empower a playing group that had very average leadership.

He may not be it. It is his job to sell the plan. I still think his initial message about getting back to blue collar was on the money so some players have to feel the wrath as well. The next guy will be selling the same message. Truck may well be no good but we have to change elements of the list as well. They have been told for 6 years now that they have to defend better if they are going to go anywhere. So far they have given the coaching staff the bird.

 

[bomberlegend2007]

Even with a loss to West Coast, I doubt Rutten will be sacked. Richmond almost lost to our top up players in 2016 if I recall correctly.

The only way Rutten is sacked is if Clarkson/Buckley is available. There is just no one else out there. Plus, I’m sure supporters will be unhappy if we sacked a coach just to appoint another untried coach.

 

[boncer34]

Well based on Sheedy's "look over there" tactic it's clear the club isn't going to bother learning anything from the review and are just going to revert to the normal approach.

Thanks for everything Truck. You were up against it from the start.

 

[jmoo wan]

Well based on Sheedy's "look over there" tactic it's clear the club isn't going to bother learning anything from the review and are just going to revert to the normal approach.

Thanks for everything Truck. You were up against it from the start.

what’s Sheedy gone and done?

 

[TheBrightSide]

what’s Sheedy gone and done?

Bombers legend Kevin Sheedy says ‘AFL should apologise’ for drugs saga as wounds reopened

Bombers legend says ‘AFL should apologise’ for drugs saga as old wounds reopened

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[eth-dog]

I think you get to the end of the year and you evaluate things properly from there.

I think he has the players and that’s really important. I think he has the right attitude towards his own development as well as the list. And I agree he’s the guy to teach them to defend. But I think he also needs the support and the resources to do that.

He’s still quite green as a senior coach, and while the list has been restumped, it still needs a new floor, patch up the roof, and a complete rewiring. Redeveloping the list has to be the priority in terms of personnel, individual development, and team cohesion.

• in the VFL with a proper team of coaches, a list of competent VFL players and appropriate support staff in place. This requires money and an off-season.
• review the assistant coaching panel and maybe put them in the roles where they’ve previously had success. Might be too many cooks in the kitchen.
• bring in a director of coaching that believes in Rutten and the program, works well with Mahoney (and Campbell/the board ) and can mentor him properly to become the senior coach he is determined to be.

Probably some reexamination of fitness and wellbeing needed as well so that when you find the right players and you spend time developing them that they’re actually available to play.

I suspect a couple of those things may happen imminently with regard to the VFL team and maybe the DoC with this broad ranging not-a-review, but the assistants and the reallocation of some of that budget are harder to sort out if we’re not sacking anyone (though they do need to know by the end of August if they have a job next year so that isn’t too far away).

The assistants stuff is a mess, as I pointed out in their dedicated thread.

As far as a DoC goes, Ross Lyon has said he doesn't want to coach again but would be open to that sort of role. Headhunt him for the role. It makes too much sense to not try it out.

As far as the VFL stuff, I'm hoping the review actually forces change there. We were up there with Geelong and Casey as AFL affiliated clubs in the VFL and now we're comfortably the worst. We know what a good VFL structure looks like, let's revert to that.

im preparing for 3-19 (we'll slip against one of the eagles or roos, I just know it)

And happy to take that, back Rutten in and re-load for next year. Accept we're in for pain. Accept that we won't know if Rutten is the coach or not for another 2 years min. And just work with that.


This is why I reckon back him.
He needs another 2 years turning this over, building depth and pressure on spots, finding out who he trusts and who he can't.

2-12 can't be seen as a disaster. Omelettes and eggs. Cop a couple of hard years. Proper hard too. no yo-yoing into 8th every 2nd/3rd year.
tread the path Melbourne, Richmond, Brisbane, Carlton, Freo have and have patience with it.

It can and will be seen as a disaster because it would be. However we need to back him in, I agree.

 

[crackers65]

Even with a loss to West Coast, I doubt Rutten will be sacked. Richmond almost lost to our top up players in 2016 if I recall correctly.

The only way Rutten is sacked is if Clarkson/Buckley is available. There is just no one else out there. Plus, I’m sure supporters will be unhappy if we sacked a coach just to appoint another untried coach.

Buckley???
I’d spew up.

 

[citizen-erased]

The assistants stuff is a mess, as I pointed out in their dedicated thread.

As far as a DoC goes, Ross Lyon has said he doesn't want to coach again but would be open to that sort of role. Headhunt him for the role. It makes too much sense to not try it out.

As far as the VFL stuff, I'm hoping the review actually forces change there. We were up there with Geelong and Casey as AFL affiliated clubs in the VFL and now we're comfortably the worst. We know what a good VFL structure looks like, let's revert to that.

It can and will be seen as a disaster because it would be. However we need to back him in, I agree.

I should say, disaster from a coaching point of view

Use it as a development opportunity for rutten and his team

 

[CBombers17]

What's the talk about the assistant coaches? Has there been something said in tbe media (or leaked from the review) ?

 

[eth-dog]

What's the talk about the assistant coaches? Has there been something said in tbe media (or leaked from the review) ?

Mostly me and Lore speculating about it. There have been bits and pieces which I put in their thread here.

 

[Lore]

What's the talk about the assistant coaches? Has there been something said in tbe media (or leaked from the review) ?

Also Caro on Footy Classified like a week ago.

They're all expensive future senior coaches and likely taking a significant portion of the soft cap. What's a better spend, an expensive coaching panel or [a VFL program, director of coaching, mentoring, PD, resources in player welfare and development, etc etc]?

 

[CBombers17]

Also Caro on Footy Classified like a week ago.

They're all expensive future senior coaches and likely taking a significant portion of the soft cap. What's a better spend, an expensive coaching panel or [a VFL program, director of coaching, mentoring, PD, resources in player welfare and development, etc etc]?

The place sounds like a shit fight TBH.

An Inexperienced coach overseeing all this investment whilst being supported by a football manager overrun with teams who reports to very part-time board member who's back to review his own department.

 

[Lore]

The place sounds like a shit fight TBH.

An Inexperienced coach overseeing all this investment whilst being supported by a football manager overrun with teams who reports to very part-time board member who's back to review his own department.

It could be yeah. I mean that's basically the worst possible interpretation of all the rumours we've heard so far... but they've also done sfa to disprove it. And the sources of the rumours are generally credible.

 

[CBombers17]

It could be yeah. I mean that's basically the worst possible interpretation of all the rumours we've heard so far... but they've also done sfa to disprove it. And the sources of the rumours are generally credible.

And then amidst the review we weren't having and in our big 150th week Sheedy decides its a good time to fire shots at the AFL. I half wondered/hoped if we are angling for a pick back as compo

Interesting times at the club...

 

[TheFrenchCut]

Whether he should be coaching for his career or not, is irrelevant at a club like this.

Everything that happens now, in the eyes of players, staff, and fans, is magnified by the baggage of 18 years of sheer ineptitude and delusion.

I mean, only weeks ago the club said there'd be no review, then abruptly announced a review, then the next day seemingly did damage control trying to play down that they were, in fact, having a review by removing its teeth.

If there are enough losses and enough people complaining, Rutten will be gone. Again, not necessarily because he should be or because someone better is lined up, but because the club panics under the weight of its efforts (or lack thereof) this century.

 

[faible]

Everything that happens now, in the eyes of players, staff, and fans, is magnified by the baggage of 18 years of sheer ineptitude and delusion.

It's the same every year, the current group paying for the failures of the past as though they're somehow relevant.

 

[Highly Evolved]

Really not convinced his job is safe if we get thumped tonight...

 

[Yoda_]

What's the talk about the assistant coaches? Has there been something said in tbe media (or leaked from the review) ?

in a nut shell, they are perhaps being paid as much, if not more than the man in charge.. Speculation of course

 

[Yoda_]

Any chance of Ben showing this defensive master coach he was once touted to be ?



It is fast turning into monotonous care taker coach commentary with Ben. Has he lost the players because it looks like they are lost which isn't great

 

[Nuts4Bolts]

He'll be sacked by 40 years of age (rightly or wrongly). Can he get another crack at a Senior job down the track? It was a massive gamble for him to take the job. Good on him but it was always going to be a long shot.

 

[The Donners]

Totally understand that supporters have lost patience with the club.

We simply don’t have the cattle to be what Truck wants them to be. You can’t polish a turd but he went close to doing just that last year.