Coaching Staff Former Coach Ben "Truck" Rutten - Sacked for real this time - 21/8

[kelvin_sheedy]

Round 1 was the first nail for me.

The shit show of the rest of the year finished it off.

No discernable style. Weak selections.

You can't put out a team that does not compete and turns it's toes up. We did that at least half a dozen times

 

[The Prosecutor]

Knights' first 3 years were better than 2020-2022

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How does that make any sense.

A) Rutten didn't coach in 2020.

B) It was a 17 game season...

C) It was a 16 team comp under Knights

 

[TheGrizz]

How does that make any sense.

A) Rutten didn't coach in 2020.

B) It was a 17 game season...

C) It was a 16 team comp under Knights

Don't bother to try and use logic, they're just grinding an axe.

 

[Call Me Cake]

A) Rutten didn't coach in 2020.

Was a ploy to extend the honeymoon period. All reports was he was in charge of the game-plan and behind the scenes - Woosh was in charge of media and game day. It doesn't make sense to let a man you considered not good enough to continue coaching while you have a successor. Let it go. He was here for 3. Unfortunately for him, the honeymoon ran out.

B) It was a 17 game season...

Wins are wins. But so are losses. Who's to say the loss tally wouldn't have gone up as a result of more games? Could have been even worse (think the laughing at HT against Geelong while being smashed).

C) It was a 16 team comp under Knights

23 Rounds are 23 rounds, wins are wins.

Stop trying to make excuses and divert. This was the whole problem with this entire Rutten saga - it was all stalling, diverting, making excuses. Was sick of it and I'm glad it's over.

Truck's gone, let it go.

 

[The Dustbin]

I was criticised by a lot for being critical of Truck, and bringing up the prospect of him not going into his 4th year at the club (yep, 4th). Was never a fan of the whole succession debacle and was criticised for my foresight then. A coach on training wheels trying to teach a team on training wheels.

But in the end, it came to be as such.

Club had the balls to call it and I couldn't be more proud. Here's to no more acceptance of treading water based on faith.

If a coach wants to take it on, they better be in the frame of mind that they must show signs visible to the eye (win or loss)!

Good luck to Ben as a person, I hope he does well in life, but he was not what we needed.

This.

 

[fishardansin]

Footy season is over and this has done it for me.

I'll watch some of the finals and hope that our draft picks are great. I'm not going to give a crap about the new coach until after we show some consistent on-field performance. Hopefully, that is before my 50th.

 

[fishardansin]

Footy season is over and this has done it for me.

I'll watch some of the finals and hope that our draft picks are great. I'm not going to give a crap about the new coach until after we show some consistent on-field performance. Hopefully, that is before my 50th.

 

[The Dustbin]

Round 1 was the first nail for me.

The s**t show of the rest of the year finished it off.

No discernable style. Weak selections.

You can't put out a team that does not compete and turns it's toes up. We did that at least half a dozen times

Spot on Kel.

 

[Mr Bultitude]

I was criticised by a lot for being critical of Truck, and bringing up the prospect of him not going into his 4th year at the club (yep, 4th). Was never a fan of the whole succession debacle and was criticised for my foresight then. A coach on training wheels trying to teach a team on training wheels.

But in the end, it came to be as such.

Club had the balls to call it and I couldn't be more proud. Here's to no more acceptance of treading water based on faith.

If a coach wants to take it on, they better be in the frame of mind that they must show signs visible to the eye (win or loss)!

Good luck to Ben as a person, I hope he does well in life, but he was not what we needed.

I don't disagree with you, however for mine the ends did not justify the means.

 

[Zach Package]

Struggle to remember a person in footy being treated worse for no apparent reason.

Undermined constantly by Brasher making stupid, irrational statements in the media about his own stupid expectations, a list manager at best not being on the same page as him and at worst actively working against him a ‘mentor’ that contributed nothing positive at all to give him at least a running start. Who knows how long the board were quietly plotting to get Clarko or Hird or whoever the **** else in the chair. Not to mention the playing group just flat out checking out on him.

A high quality person and another club will benefit greatly from picking him up. Hope he sings it from the rooftops to all prospective coaches out there, stay the **** away from Essendon, you are literally throwing your career down the toilet.

 

[Lore]

Players been going over to Truck’s place to get around him

 

[Call Me Cake]

until after we show some consistent on-field performance

This is how it always should have been. You don't have to win to show a structure. I think that's something that eludes a lot of people.

The structure and correctly taught habits is what provides the players the plate - the players being helped by it to eventually execute it (win) is the food.

Our players were being stifled by learning bad habits and feeling helpless due to a lack of proper direction. You can have all the will to build a house - and learn to build a house - but if no one gives you the hammer, the nails, and the wood - you're shit out of luck.

We need a coach that releases the shackles from their hands - not someone who waits for the players to break them.

 

[pazza]

Players been going over to Truck’s place to get around him

That comment there shows he never lost the players as some have mentioned.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Players been going over to Truck’s place to get around him

Everyone's always friends with the manager that lets them do what they want.

 

[Burzum]

That comment there shows he never lost the players as some have mentioned.

Of course he hadn't, so many players re-signed.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Was a ploy to extend the honeymoon period. All reports was he was in charge of the game-plan and behind the scenes - Woosh was in charge of media and game day. It doesn't make sense to let a man you considered not good enough to continue coaching while you have a successor. Let it go. He was here for 3. Unfortunately for him, the honeymoon ran out.



Wins are wins. But so are losses. Who's to say the loss tally wouldn't have gone up as a result of more games? Could have been even worse (think the laughing at HT against Geelong while being smashed).



23 Rounds are 23 rounds, wins are wins.

Stop trying to make excuses and divert. This was the whole problem with this entire Rutten saga - it was all stalling, diverting, making excuses. Was sick of it and I'm glad it's over.

Truck's gone, let it go.

And how does that all translate into Knights being more successful than Rutten?

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Players been going over to Truck’s place to get around him

Is it just me or does Sheedy seem immensely pissed off after that decision?

 

[Old Campaigner]

Knights' first 3 years were better than 2020-2022

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And? Neither of those was really sack-the-coach territory for mine.

Knights probably had an unsustainable gameplan but everything coming out of Truck's mouth about the need to change the way we played rang true and I think he had a considerably worse list to work with than Knights did.

We've got a couple of years in the wilderness regardless but I think if he had another season to bring in the sorts of players capable of meeting the standards demanded by modern gameplans and removing those who didn't Rutten would have been successful. It's kinda moot now though.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Is it just me or does Sheedy seem immensely pissed off after that decision?

He looks happy actually.

And we all should be.

Truck gets 600k, can enjoy a whole year at the Bahamas. Will come out with loads of assistant offers and may one day coach when he actually has a better view on the game + the teachings of coaches elsewhere.

We get the breath of fresh air that we need, and the fire lit up under the playing group (long overdue). We're nicely placed to push for the the sky, and so is he. Win-win. Was meant to be.

 

[Lore]

Is it just me or does Sheedy seem immensely pissed off after that decision?

He’s just been told off for talking to the media and how when he speaks he speaks for the board… so I assumed it was that.

Also Mitch Cleary is a known pest, ambulance chaser type.

 

[Duckworth]

This is how it always should have been. You don't have to win to show a structure. I think that's something that eludes a lot of people.

The structure and correctly taught habits is what provides the players the plate - the players being helped by it to eventually execute it (win) is the food.

Our players were being stifled by learning bad habits and feeling helpless due to a lack of proper direction. You can have all the will to build a house - and learn to build a house - but if no one gives you the hammer, the nails, and the wood - you're s**t out of luck.

We need a coach that releases the shackles from their hands - not someone who waits for the players to break them.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Knights probably had an unsustainable gameplan but everything coming out of Truck's mouth about the need to change the way we played rang true and I think he had a considerably worse list to work with than Knights did.

I want to make it clear. I am not excusing Knights in the slightest. What I am saying is - if Knights was the glaringly obvious Knightmare, then we must come at similar scenarios with the same energy.

And here's another crazy thing - Knights' list was younger with less games played. I know, crazy right?

Time to move on.

 

[Old Campaigner]

Players been going over to Truck’s place to get around him

An 'offsite' board meeting lol

I want to make it clear. I am not excusing Knights in the slightest. What I am saying is - if Knights was the glaringly obvious Knightmare, then we must come at similar scenarios with the same energy.

And here's another crazy thing - Knights' list was younger with less games played. I know right? His was harsher.

Time to move on.

Or we could learn from the multitude of dumb things the club has done in the past and actually back in a coach for the long term.

He looks happy actually.

And we all should be.

Truck gets 600k, can enjoy a whole year at the Bahamas. Will come out with loads of assistant offers and may one day coach when he actually has a better view on the game + the teachings of coaches elsewhere.

We get the breath of fresh air that we need, and the fire lit up under the playing group (long overdue). We're nicely placed to push for the the sky, and so is he. Win-win. Was meant to be.

My dude. Richmond, a club that very much have their shit together and do not tolerate mediocrity already want him back. Maybe they see something our rabble do not.

 

[Call Me Cake]

actually back in a coach for the long term

For a coach that shows tangible signs, we will. I have no doubt about it.

Maybe they see something

You're right, as an assistant coach. Which is where he belongs, for now.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

He looks happy actually.

And we all should be.

Truck gets 600k, can enjoy a whole year at the Bahamas. Will come out with loads of assistant offers and may one day coach when he actually has a better view on the game + the teachings of coaches elsewhere.

We get the breath of fresh air that we need, and the fire lit up under the playing group (long overdue). We're nicely placed to push for the the sky, and so is he. Win-win. Was meant to be.

The only thing we're nicely placed for is top five draft picks for the next couple of years. We're also nicely placed to receive some late first rounders when our key midfielders put up their hands for a trade at the end of the year.