Franks for the memories. Things don't always go well with COLA

[MC_9]

Don't know, was on the trade rumours page on FB.

They say it is now believed:

-Franklin deal was done with Sydney 12 months ago. Not sure the deal was done but he approached them.
-He had an agreement with them at some point this year. Yes that is true, deal (verbal) was done before this season even started.
- Deal includes a 2 million place in Sydney once he retires. True, not sure, not surprised if it is though.

That third point has to be breach of the salary cap.

 

[MrFujiMoto]

I think the realistic outcome is that they will tell Sydney to pull there head in with the length of the contract.

I hope they let the deal go through and let Sydney shaft themselves. Interesting to see what happens to Tippett when his contract is up for renewal - reckon he will take a pay cut so Buddy gets his mill plus??

I think Tippett is front loaded and that is why they are back loading Buddy's

 

[MrFujiMoto]

That third point has to be breach of the salary cap.

Or some sort of Third Party arrangement or who knows. If it is true it is very Surprising and will be a big cause for some investigation I think.

This would have smacked Vlad and the AFL right between the eyes. It is the only good I am finding with the situation at the moment. Buddy left Vlad with his d*ck in his hand . Unfortunately he left us in much the same position

 

[Stranglers]

AFL will not veto the deal altogether, you can be sure of that. The ALFPA wouldn't take it too well if the AFL are seen to be interfering with player movements via Free Agency, after they lobbied so hard to get it in place. The only thing that will enable us to take it to the trade table is if the AFL force Sydney to ratchet back the deal to a more realistic time frame (in order to prevent their cap becoming an issue once Franklin is still on the list but is unable to realistically play) and the Hawks then match the offer.

Either way I wouldn't want him on our list now - he has shown his true colours.

Really this is the environment that we all have to get used to - unfortunately this is what free agency means. Supporters will have to get used to getting behind the team, not the players, as under FA loyalty is pretty much a thing of the past. I am sure that at some point in the near future our time will come - we have been pretty adept at luring players to our side even under the more restrictive trade system (Burgoyne, Hale, Gibson, Guerra, Gunston, Lake) so I have no doubt we will also snare players under FA. Let's face it, if we had somehow engineered a coup to get hold of Pendlebury under similar circumstances we would be rapt!

The one good thing that will come out of this fiasco is that the COLA is almost certainly dead in the water. That, and the fact that Sydney supporters can finally stop talking about how it's their club culture that attracts players.

 

[Buckemenico]

AFL should reject the Swans offer because:
- No way Buddy will play out the 9 years.
- The deal is back-ended, so huge sums are paid to him in later years, when it is likely that he won't be playing.
- If he retires with 4 years to go and say $6m of the $10m still outstanding, there is no way that Swans could pay $6m in one year's salary and come within the salary cap.
- This would cause the Swans to implode.
- The AFL would then have to bail Swans out because they must have presence in Sydney.

Not fair, on so many levels.

 

[MrFujiMoto]

AFL will not veto the deal altogether, you can be sure of that. The ALFPA wouldn't take it too well if the AFL are seen to be interfering with player movements via Free Agency, after they lobbied so hard to get it in place. The only thing that will enable us to take it to the trade table is if the AFL force Sydney to ratchet back the deal to a more realistic time frame (in order to prevent their cap becoming an issue once Franklin is still on the list but is unable to realistically play) and the Hawks then match the offer.

Either way I wouldn't want him on our list now - he has shown his true colours.

Really this is the environment that we all have to get used to - unfortunately this is what free agency means. Supporters will have to get used to getting behind the team, not the players, as under FA loyalty is pretty much a thing of the past. I am sure that at some point in the near future our time will come - we have been pretty adept at luring players to our side even under the more restrictive trade system (Burgoyne, Hale, Gibson, Guerra, Gunston, Lake) so I have no doubt we will also snare players under FA. Let's face it, if we had somehow engineered a coup to get hold of Pendlebury under similar circumstances we would be rapt!

The one good thing that will come out of this fiasco is that the COLA is almost certainly dead in the water. That, and the fact that Sydney supporters can finally stop talking about how it's their club culture that attracts players.

Exactly on all points. If the Cola was already looked at when FA was introduced, then this would never have been able to occur. They made it so that players could move to clubs with money and then allowed a couple of clubs an extra mil plus in their cap and marketing caps. Surely they expected this to happen at some stage. I also think this should be the wake up call for Vlad to heck off. He would never have been stupid enough to get done over by something like this a couple of years ago. He has always been a money hungry grub, but never stupid.. before now.

 

[SJT76]

Agree the AFL should / probably will step in. At this point, I think they can only step in to ensure that the Swans trade though.

 

[MrFujiMoto]

AFL should reject the Swans offer because:
- No way Buddy will play out the 9 years.
- The deal is back-ended, so huge sums are paid to him in later years, when it is likely that he won't be playing.
- If he retires with 4 years to go and say $6m of the $10m still outstanding, there is no way that Swans could pay $6m in one year's salary and come within the salary cap.
- This would cause the Swans to implode.
- The AFL would then have to bail Swans out because they must have presence in Sydney.

Not fair, on so many levels.

Adrian Anderson was passing comment on this and his first answer was -
"well these things are a bit complicated..... It just says that the money has to be paid in the cap, it does not specify if it is paid out in the year or amortised over the contract term" or words to that effect

Looks like the AFL might allow it to go through and allow the Swans the ability to amortise the remaining contract amount over the remaining years. Either way it is risky. They may be paying out closer 1.5 - 1.7 mil a year for his last 3 - 5 years and getting no return. 3 years of possible glory for 25 years of possible pain.

 

[Lord Mud of Glenferrie]

Watch this space. G.Ablett to Sydney. $20m - 18 year plan!

G Ablett will be on the age pension then. Oh, you mean young Gazza. Yeah, when does his contract expire at the Suns.

If Sydney get away with this and claim they can afford it because of retiring players then what about 2014 when almost certainly Goodes will retire and others that will free up their salary cap again, if the current assistance remains does that mean that next year Sydney will be free to recruit another champion?

No matter what way you look at it the whole thing stinks and Franklin is going to be booed to the point of affecting his performance by not just us but all opposition supporters and the same will apply to Sydney. All parties are in for a rocky ride.

This year we achieved the honour of becoming the most hated team in the competition. I thought that Sydney may now take this honour away from us, but no Sydney will be the most despised team. There is a difference. Hate implies respect despise implies beneath contempt.

 

[Off The Couch]

Just shows how shit of a bloke he is. He is a very good rugby player, still young and has a contract with Australian Rugby Union.

Yet no Super Rugby teams want a bar of him. He is a cancer on the culture of any team, and obviously a rubbish influence on Buddy.

You didn't read what I said - according to media it's Buddy that is the bad influence
O'Connor has also been stood down indefinitely from the ARU, so he really is in no mans land atm

 

[Flamin Joe]

we have been pretty adept at luring players to our side even under the more restrictive trade system (Burgoyne, Hale, Gibson, Guerra, Gunston, Lake) so I have no doubt we will also snare players under FA.

Why do I keep seeing Guerra's name popping up as if we snagged him from another club? It's bad enough when opposition supporters do it.

He came through the 2005 Pre-Season Draft, we didn't snag him from anyone.

 

[Stranglers]

Adrian Anderson was passing comment on this and his first answer was -
"well these things are a bit complicated..... It just says that the money has to be paid in the cap, it does not specify if it is paid out in the year or amortised over the contract term" or words to that effect

Looks like the AFL might allow it to go through and allow the Swans the ability to amortise the remaining contract amount over the remaining years. Either way it is risky. They may be paying out closer 1.5 - 1.7 mil a year for his last 3 - 5 years and getting no return. 3 years of possible glory for 25 years of possible pain.

I thought the way the whole deal was structured was that any outstanding contract sum was to be amortised over the full term. Regardless of this, they still end up paying a heavily back-ended contract for several years under the cap for a player that isn't even on the list. Rather than annihilating the swans list (which is what would happen if they had to pay out the remainder in full) it would just handicap their player payments ability for 3-4 years (although with the COLA it really just brings it back to neutral territory with the rest of the league. That's what is so stupid about the COLA, it effectively enables Sydney to structure these type of deals with effectively no penalty). Sydney are probably banking on some kind of AFL bail-out during that period, and let's face it; they'll probably get it. I couldn't see it affecting them for 25 years, more like a 4- or 5-year bottom-out period during which they accumulate draft picks for the next tilt. And they might snag 1 or 2 premierships prior to then. I'm sure Sydney have done the sums and the risk is worth the return - the annoying thing is that the one factor that makes it worthwhile is the one thing that most other teams in the league don't have.

 

[Stranglers]

Why do I keep seeing Guerra's name popping up as if we snagged him from another club? It's bad enough when opposition supporters do it.

He came through the 2005 Pre-Season Draft, we didn't snag him from anyone.

I stand corrected, for some reason I keep thinking we traded with the Saints to get him. Unbelievable that a 2-time premiership player was delisted.

 

[Pessimistic]

I stand corrected, for some reason I keep thinking we traded with the Saints to get him. Unbelievable that a 2-time premiership player was delisted.

It came down to him or milne.

Goo has had the motivation do do very well on milne since

 

[wizardwaffle]

I would like to hear Buddy's answer to this situation?

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

I would like to hear Buddy's answer to this situation?

 

[Argy]

AFL should reject the Swans offer because:
- No way Buddy will play out the 9 years.
- The deal is back-ended, so huge sums are paid to him in later years, when it is likely that he won't be playing.
- If he retires with 4 years to go and say $6m of the $10m still outstanding, there is no way that Swans could pay $6m in one year's salary and come within the salary cap.
- This would cause the Swans to implode.
- The AFL would then have to bail Swans out because they must have presence in Sydney.

Not fair, on so many levels.

IMO the biggest risk for the AFL is that Sydney might not be able to afford the back end years of the deal. If they are as financially vulnerable as Collis told the other presidents before last year's GF then there is a risk that the AFL might be called on provide financial aid.

The AFL should therefore require that Sydney secure Buddy's contract funds before he starts playing - for example by placing the money in a trust account to be drawn down as required.

 

[wizardwaffle]

I was asking for Buddy to explain to his (I would say former) young fans why he is leaving? Explain to all those children with number 23 on their back why he is leaving.
Are you saying because he likes to pose with other half naked blokes?

 

[MrFujiMoto]

Never, ever, liked that image of Buddy. Not because of what they are doing, just because half of the people in it are not highly thought of off the field. bad company, but that is who Buddy likes to hang around.

 

[Hodge is God]

I was asking for Buddy to explain to his (I would say former) young fans why he is leaving? Explain to all those children with number 23 on their back why he is leaving.
Are you saying because he likes to pose with other half naked blokes?

Yesterday was my last day in Melbourne, which is when I decided to visit my relatives.

My ten year old cousin, when all this Sydney shit was announced silently stared at the tv, and then started to cry.

I mean it's not like Franklin killed a family member but at the moment I ****ing hated him.

 

[wizardwaffle]

On another thread on the Hawthorn section grizzly is offering free name changes to those people with Buddy in their user name.

If the situation plays out like it seems it will, we figure there will be plenty of people left with usernames containing some sort of reference to Buddy Franklin.

Like me, you might find that distasteful. So, if you do, we're offering those who are now tarnished with a Buddy username a free name change.

Here's how:

> choose a new name and check in the member list that it hasn't been taken.

> post in this thread with the new name you want - exact spelling, please.

> Once I have sobered up from the joy of winning, and the despair of losing one of our family to the cashed-up raiding party from the north, I'll make it happen.

#ALWAYS HAWTHORN

I thought a good name would be IAmNotABuddyTrader.

 

[MadHawka]

All I can say it's about time you members & supporters caught the f#$k Buddy train. I was slammed in the lead up to finals for some of my provoking sentiments. For those who are reflecting on the good times or giving the benefit of doubt, move on..... There is no reverse here, the players and coaches would never allow a bloke as piss poor as this back into the club.

I just can't wait for the AFL to block this deal, which they will to save themselves from the nuclear fallout that all the club presidents, media and supporters are now unleashing. Bud deserves nothing but contempt, not just for leaving for a contender but for doing this over a year ago to a team he just lost a premiership too... it's easily the highest scumbag decision ever made in the history of football and every one from most of the AFL clubs is in unison on this and will collectively boo and shit can this scumbag for the rest of his career.

So f&%k you scumbag Franklin, can't wait for the spiralling party lifestyle to catch up with after 3 strikes and you're booted from the league.

After the AFL waters down the deal, we will come out of this so much better... whatever Sydney gives us will most likely end up at GWS and we'll get whatever it was already going to be for Buddy so nothing lost there. Bring on trade week, we will win either way this goes.

 

[wizardwaffle]

Yesterday was my last day in Melbourne, which is when I decided to visit my relatives.

My ten year old cousin, when all this Sydney shit was announced silently stared at the tv, and then started to cry.

I mean it's not like Franklin killed a family member but at the moment I ******* hated him.

Looking at all those Hawthorn supporters wearing their jumpers around at the moment that have 23 on the back can he explain it to them. "I'm with my boys baby" was his comment on Sunday. Was he talking about being with the Hawthorn players or being with Sydney?

 

[spudmaster]

On another thread on the Hawthorn section grizzly is offering free name changes to those people with Buddy in their user name.



I thought a good name would be IAmNotABuddyTrader.

Dibs on BUDDYCOLA

 

[Bartelisaboss]

Sorry to intrude guys (congrats on breaking the 'curse' and the flag) but is it true Franklin has a drug problem? And I can't speak for other supporters from the Cats or other clubs, but honestly the Tippett deal last year (which was a disgrace imo) and now another atrocious coup attempted by the Swans really leaves a sour taste in my mouth about that club. I have lost a lot of respect for them, they deal in bad faith. Hawks have really won me over the way both their supporters and club itself have handled this whole situation. You guys will be fine however it prevails, a forward line of Gunston, Rough, Hale, Cyril and Bruest is deadly.