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2023 AFL Trade Period and the AFL Draft

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Current draft picks: done
2024 draft picks: 1st, 2nd, 4th (Fre), 4th (GC), 4th (WBU)

List changes:
Out: 7 - Ed Curnow (Ret), Plowman (Ret), O'Brien (Del), Philp (Del), Honey (Del), Fisher (Trade), Dow (Trade)
In: 6 - Rob Monahan (IIR-CatB), Elijah Hollands (Trade), Orazio Fantasia (DFA), Ashton Moir (pick 29), Billy Wilson (pick 34), Matthew Carroll (Rookie pick 15)
Uncontracted: 0.
Retained SSP Players: 2 - Cincotta, O'Keeffe
Upgraded Rookie: 1 - Cottrell

List status:
Senior - 36 (36-38)
Rookie - 6 (0-6)
Cat-B Rookie - 2 (0-2)
Total - 44 (44)

Free spots - 0

Note - Matt Duffy (Ireland) not included - assumption is he was not listed after injuring knee.

List Lodgment Dates: OPEN
Tue 31-Oct: List Lodgment 1 COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Father/Son, NGA, Northern Academy bidding nominations close COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: International Scholarship Listed players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Thu 9-Nov: List Lodgment 2 COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Father/Son Primary List lodgment close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Players not registered for 3 years inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: International Players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov: List Lodgment 3 (post National draft) COMPLETE
Thu 23-Nov: FINAL List Lodgment (post PSD & Rookie drafts) PENDING

The Draft:
Mon 20-Nov
Time 7pm: National Draft Round One COMPLETE
Tue 21-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm: Selection Trade period COMPLETE
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Rookie Promotion to Primary List COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Delisted Free Agency Period (3) COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov
Northern Academy and NGA Academy eligible Pre-Selected Rookie and Father-Son Pre-Selected Rookie player nominations
3pm: AFL Pre-season Draft COMPLETE
3.20pm: AFL Rookie Draft COMPLETE

Supplementary Selection Period (SSP): PENDING
Mon 27-Nov 9am: SSP starts (players must have been on AFL list previously OR nominated for 2023 draft)
Mon 19-Feb 5pm: SSP ends


Draft Nominations: CLOSED
Tue 10-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Out-of-contract listed AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Delisted AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Non-retained rookie list player draft nomination close COMPLETE

Player and Selection Trades: CLOSED
Mon 9-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Commences – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Wed 18-Oct 7.30pm: AFL Trade Period Closes – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Mon 23-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Opens – Selections Only COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: AFL Trade Period Closes –Selections Only COMPLETE

Delisted Free Agency Periods: CLOSED
Wed 01-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences COMPLETE
Wed 08-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes COMPLETE
(see also period 3 under "The Draft" section below)

Restricted/Unrestricted Free Agency Trades: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct 9am: AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period Commences COMPLETE
Fri 13-Oct 5pm: Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period COMPLETE
Mon 16-Oct 5pm: AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends COMPLETE

Draft Combines: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct to Sun 8-Oct: National Draft Combine COMPLETE
Sun 8-Oct: Victorian State Combine COMPLETE
Sat 14-Oct: SA/NT State Combine COMPLETE
Sun 15-Oct: WA State Combine COMPLETE

6-Oct
1. James Jordon to Sydney as UFA. Melbourne receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (40)
2. Matt Flynn to WCE as UFA. GWS receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (41)
8-Oct
3. Joel Hamling to Sydney as UFA. Fremantle do not receive any compensation.
9-Oct
4. Tom Doedee to Brisbane as RFA. Adelaide receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 20)
5. Pick Swap: GCS trade picks 5, 48, 53 and future 3rd (GC) to WBU in return for picks 11, 18 and future 1st rd (WBU)
6. Pick Swap: Freo trade pick 25 and future 2nd rd to Port for future 1st (Port)
7. Todd Goldstein to Essendon as UFA. No compensation for North Melbourne.
10-Oct
8. Ben McKay to Essendon as RFA. North Melbourne receive 1st round pick as compensation (3)
9. James Harmes to Western Bulldogs. Melbourne receive a future 3rd rd pick (WBU)
11-Oct
10. Dylan Stephens to North Melbourne with pick 26. Sydney receive a future end of first round (pick 19) and this year's pick 45.
11. Pick Swap: Melbourne receives pick 11. Gold Coast get 14, 28, 36 in return.
12. Chris Burgess and pick 14 to Adelaide. Gold Coast get picks 24 and 27.
13. Pick Swap: North Melbourne receive pick 18. Gold Coast gets future end of first round (pick 20) comp pick.
14. Brodie Grundy to Sydney. Melbourne receive pick 47 and future second round pick (Syd)
15. Taylor Adams to Sydney. Collingwood receive pick 34.
16. Zac Fisher to North Melbourne with pick 17. CARLTON receive picks 22 and 26.
13-Oct
17. Jade Gresham to Essendon as RFA. St Kilda receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 21)
18. Toby Pink to North Melbourne - delisted free agent.
19. Tom Fullarton to Melbourne. Brisbane receive pick 47 in return.
14-Oct
20. Tyler Brockman to West Coast Eagles. Hawthorn receive picks 44 and 63 in return.
16-Oct
21. Bigoa Nyuon to North Melbourne. Richmond receive pick 65.
22. Lachie Schultz to Collingwood. Fremantle receive pick 34 and a future first round pick (Col) in return.
23. Liam Henry and future round four (Fre) pick to St Kilda. Fremantle receive a future 2nd (StK) and future 4th (StK).
17-Oct
24. Shane McAdam to Melbourne. Adelaide receive a future second round pick (Mel) in return.
25. Multi-trade
.... CARLTON: Give - Paddy Dow, future 3rd (Car), future 4th (Car). Receive - future 3rd (Ess), future 4th (Fre), future 4th (WBU)
.... Essendon: Give - 52, future 3rd (Ess). Receive - pick 35, future 4th (Car)
.... St Kilda: Give - Nick Coffield, picks 35, 56, future 4th (Fre). Receive - Paddy Dow, pick 40, future 3rd (Car)
.... Western Bulldogs: Give - pick 40, future 4th (WBU). Receive - Nick Coffield, picks 52, 56
18-Oct
26. Ivan Soldo to Port Adelaide with pick 50. Richmond receive picks 41, 49 a future 2nd round (Fre) and future 4th round (PA).
27. Jack Ginnivan pick 39, future 2nd (Col) and future 4th (Col) to Hawthorn. Collingwood receive pick 33, future 2nd (Haw), future 3rd (Haw)
28. Jordan Sweet to Port Adelaide. Western Bulldogs receive pick 50 in return.
29. Esava Ratugolea to Port Adelaide. Geelong receive picks 25, 76 and 94.
30. Elijah Hollands to CARLTON with pick 28 and future 4th (GC). Gold Coast receive pick 26 and future 3rd (Ess).
31. Jacob Koschitzke to Richmond. Hawthorn receive pick 49.
32. Jack Billings to Melbourne. St Kilda receive a future 3rd round pick (Mel).
33. Multi-trade
.... Brisbane: Give - Jack Gunston, picks 47, 61, future 2nd round (Bri). Receive - Ryan, 39, 54, future 4th (Haw).
.... Hawthorn: Give - Brandon Ryan, picks 39, 54, future 4th round (Haw). Receive - Gunston, 47, 61, future 2nd (Bri).
34. Mabior Chol to Hawthorn with pick 62. Gold Coast receive a future 2nd round pick (Bri).
35. Massimo D'Ambrosio to Hawthorn. Essendon receive pick 61, future 4th round (Col)
36. Multi-trade
.... Essendon: Give - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, pick 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car). Receive - Xavier Duursma
.... Port Adelaide: Give - Xavier Duursma. Receive - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car)





Nominated:
Elliott Himmelberg to GWS (Trade) - staying at GWS

Mooted:
Buku Khamis - staying at Dogs
Dylan Shiel
Clayton Oliver - Ade/Gee - staying at Melbourne
Ollie Wines
Dan McKenzie - Suns?
Scott Lycett
Tom Clurey
James Borlase
Brynn Teakle
Josh Sinn
Orazio Fantasia - GWS?
Sam Hayes
Harrison Petty


Potential DFA and Retiree moves:
TBA

Missed Out on trades:
TBA




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KoutaGnome said:
Good question. Can only think Austin is wanting to try and nab pick 8 from GEE - as has been mooted by some other posters.

Pick 21 = 878 points
Pick 25 = 756 points
TOTAL = 1634 points

Pick 8 = 1551 points
Or Austin sees a couple of late smokeys end rd 1/early round 2 ??...
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We would be adding our future first to that deal.

21+25 won’t get us near the top 10.

Take the picks to the draft imo.
 
Austin Cook Lloyd have been working hard to get a Top 10 pick. It's their focus. Geelong seem to be the most open to a trade

Anything could happen. Picks, Trades or even a Jack Bowes deal. I am sure they are open to all possibilities.
 

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WalshistheGOAT said:
If ever Melbourne were going to have a swing at Harry... 1.4 mil cleared off their books and picks 6 and 11 now in their mitts. Interested to hear what they do with it
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Should Melbourne offer their picks 6 & 11 for Harry, I'd throw in F1 in a heart beat, we'd be creating plenty of space in our SC and bringing in quality 3 quality youngsters.
windows1 said:
Disagree. We wanted his salary off the books and we did well out of it to get anything. Plenty of examples of sides taking nothing to get salary out.
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Yup, you’re spot on and same issue with Paddy Dow we need to creat space & flexibility, it will continue next trade period too.
 
Arr0w said:
What was his response
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Simply said we would like to if we could, by no means an iron clad promise! On balance this trade works for us and our strategy of building out depth. If we could somehow land Hollands for a future 3rd plus some pick swaps it would be a big win.
 
Bluechip66 said:
Couldn’t we play hardball & just got pick 25?
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If that was the offer on the table we wouldn’t have done this deal would we?

The fact is a fringe player we drafted 8 years ago in the back end of the 2nd round is now leaving for the equivalent of a pick in the back end of the 2nd round.

It’s a fair deal. It’s about what he was worth. Good luck to fish at nth
 
Kramer1 said:
No arguments. No fan of Fisher's.

Just a less than stellar effort...on the surface...to have the upper hand in negotiations and still give up the best asset.
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I’m not pumped about the deal nor am I unhappy, think it was ok.

But let’s face it, Fish was no longer wanted at the club and if he did stay, he’d be in the VFL for the majority of the year. This dilutes his value somewhat.

If we end up taking those picks to the draft and we get 2 shots for a 4 spot downgrade, that’s not bad.
 
Kramer1 said:
No arguments. No fan of Fisher's.

Just a less than stellar effort...on the surface...to have the upper hand in negotiations and still give up the best asset.
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I've reconciled that we will never "win" a trade with Austin as the list boss but i am confident in his talent i.d with the picks we do get back.
 
Sickblue said:
Simply said we would like to if we could, by no means an iron clad promise! On balance this trade works for us and our strategy of building out depth. If we could somehow land Hollands for a future 3rd plus some pick swaps it would be a big win.
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So hoping we get a future 3rd for Dow and Suns accept it

I think to get pick 8 we will need to come up with 1000 extra points in picks

Could happen, but I see it as unlikely
 

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Arr0w said:
Demons just gave up an extra 1000 points for GC pick

Plus we need a reasonable pick for Hollands

Can't see us chasing pick 8 now, nor would we have the pick capital of other clubs

And, think Cats want decent picks for next year
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I quite like the trade and I think it represents the value we generally see in trade period. I have been a Fisher fan but I can’t begrudge him for wanting a 5 year deal, especially with how the coach sees him in the pecking order, I wish him all the best.

As for your point on pick 8. Yeah, this trade doesn’t exactly point to a team trying to trade up for a top 10 pick.
 
Quick note, we now have the last pick of the first round, which may have some value on draft night in terms of jockeying for certain players

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tragic said:
I've reconciled that we will never "win" a trade with Austin as the list boss but i am confident in his talent i.d with the picks we do get back.
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I see Austin as the type of List Manager that is about relationships with other clubs and improving our list over time, not in one hit. Sometimes you take a little less to win later and sometimes it's one little step back to go forward on another deal. He did an awesome job last year and I expect the same this year. Bigger picture
 
Arr0w said:
That's true, unfortunately they are doing the draft in one night I believe

Wish they left it like last year
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Sure it’s still over 2 days/nights.
Though commentary is around low amount of overall picks.

Monday, November 20

  • AFL National Draft - Round 1 (time and venue TBA)
Tuesday, November 21

  • Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period – Selections Only (5.45pm - 6.30pm)
  • AFL National Draft - Round 2 until completion (7pm)
  • Rookie Promotion to Primary List (post completion of National Draft)
  • AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) (post completion of National Draft)
Wednesday, November 22

  • AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm)
  • AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm)
 
Very unsure on what I feel in regards to the fisher trade.

The original offer was pick 42.

We now trade

Fisher and 17 for 21 and 25

Whilst 25 is on the high side for fisher a pick around 30 would have been fair.

Melb are paying a 1st and two picks in the 20s to move up 3 spots and then we allow North to jump up 4 spots and throw in Fisher for our pick in the 20s.

I feel Austin leaves a lot of currency on the table
 
ParapMarkets said:
As for your point on pick 8. Yeah, this trade doesn’t exactly point to a team trying to trade up for a top 10 pick.
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Not sure if true, but apparently Cats are looking for extra future picks, so someone like the Dockers makes sense as the have Ports future 1st as well as their own

Even North makes sense given they have pick 10 (not sure who that's tied too)
 
tragic said:
I've reconciled that we will never "win" a trade with Austin as the list boss but i am confident in his talent i.d with the picks we do get back.
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I don't think most of the list managers (except maybe Dodoro and SOS) think in terms of 'win' or 'lose' in a trade.

It's more about 'what does our club need and what do we need to do to get it' ?
 
Bluechip66 said:
Couldn’t we play hardball & just got pick 25?
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In isolation, I guess this makes sense. However, I trust Austin as he's playing the long game.
Will GC want pick 25 in return for E. Hollands, + a potential later pick coming back Blues way?
9874123 said:
This is proof the points system is nonsense. Just look at the trade the Dees just did for pick 11 to see how far away 21+25 is from being worth pick 8.
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I get what you're both saying. Have no idea why Melbourne did what they did, just to move up 3 spots. Desperate for a draftee they didn't think would fall to their pick??

Re. points, they exist to measure value of draftees. Plus, I suppose they're now a more accurate tool/yardstick for rating academy and F/S selections.
This yr NM hold multiple 1st rnd picks (5), Melb (2), Crows (2), GWS (2). I'm presuming Austin figured pick 17 wasn't much different to pick 21.

Given Austin's track record in later rounds, I'm trusting him to find some gems with pick 21 & 25. Or maybe he has plans to bundle them with a F1, or F2, for something bigger? We'll know in 48 hrs, what Austin & co's master plan was. Hopefully :)
 

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