Fremantle robbed

[konstas_87]

Everyone knows the siren should have gone!

As far as im aware it DID go. The freo players dont have a channel 9 clock to look at, look at their reactions.
It went, (not loud enough for TV but it went).
Then Baker got knocked off his line after kicking the ball, and got another shot. Should have kicked it really even if they didnt deserve the win.
At least Freo got 2 points out of it, but im surprised there wasnt a riot honestly, if that was the Lions i would have been FILTHY!

OK they didnt hear it, but all the players had thrown their arms up, the umpires shoudl have stopped to concur right then, not after.

I understand that the game finishes when the umpire blows his time off whistle, not when the siren goes, but St. Kilda got 80 minutes and 25 seconds of playing time to win today, and that isnt fair.

having said that i tipped the Saints and am happy with the draw cos i get the tip

at least we know what this week's headline news will be.

 

[FCAGJAT]

Round 21 2005.

Suck s.hite Freo. You took the win when the umpires conspired to cheat us out of the points last year.

Your fat idiot coach should pull his stupid pathetic head in.

Funnily enough i always thought you played to the whistle.

So chew on it Freo you bunch of whinging crybabies.

In saying that freo should have won.

Both teams are total s.hite and wont go anywhere this seaon, especially on todays performance.

So instead of fixing the problem you say to perpetuate the problem idiot!

 

[Hu$$ey]

Look, one of the points I thought of is - WHY DID THE MATCH END AFTER BAKER KICKED THE POINT???

Are the umpires saying they heard the siren after Baker had his shot? NO THEY DID NOT!!

The siren was blown ONCE, they missed it, they didn't hear it again so why did they end the game? Is it just guesswork that the siren would've gone after Baker's point?

Fact is the umpires didn't hear the siren so they have no right to end the game even after Baker's point, continue until you hear the goddamn siren!!!

 

[Sylvia Saint]

I have my doubts that the AFL will change the result, which is totally unfair to Freo.

I was watching it on TV and couldn't hear the siren, but Baker's first point came a good 7-8 seconds after Ch 9's clock reached 0.

Freo robbed indeed!!!

 

[JP2]

If they never heard the siren then why is the match not still being playeD? Another siren was never blown, so did they just deicde after the behind kicked after that second ball up that it was okay to stop the match now? It was a while after the siren, what triggered it?

Exactly. If anyone wants to argue that the game isn't over until the umpires blow time, then the game should still be going. It makes no sense for the umpires to have called time when they did (i.e. after Baker's point), so the game should have been ruled over when the siren actually blew.

Like I said, if the AFL don't step in and rule that the last behind was kicked after the game was already over then the system is screwed. Fremantle were robbed today and there is no justification for it.

 

[JuddyisGod]

You are one of the few people posting who know the rules.

yep. he's absolutely spot on. But Dennis seemed to think that Hayden Kennedy had called time. Then they didn't even call time after all thsi went down.

 

[TheMase]

Absolute farce..

Freo will get the 2 points back during the week...

Jeez..imagine if Baker had kicked the goal..

I agree that Fremantle were robbed, but unfortunately the rules state that the siren does not decide the end of game. It is the umpire acknowledging the siren which is the end of game (the siren is just the indicator to the umpire). Because the umpire did not call TIME OFF (or end of game) then the AFL may see the result on a technicality and read out the laws.

Since the result ended in a draw, I think the AFL will be reluctant to change the result.

Read below ...:

10.4.1: End of Quarter

The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings an end to play.

10.4.2: Siren Heard by Field Umpire
Play in each quarter shall come to an end when any one of the field umpires hears the siren.

Unfortunately it is the AFL and the ground to blame for substandard conditions. Not the umpires.

 

[Docker_Brat]

You are one of the few people posting who know the rules.

We know the rules, doesn't make the decision any less disgraceful.

 

[melbournemartin]

Re: WTF! Freo Game! Umpires played on!

Surely the AFL have to admit that they made a mistake now ...

unlike that Rivers 50 metre penalty. I wonder what they have to say about the 50M penalty given to Buchanan last night.

 

[Philhawk]

Re: WTF! Freo Game! Umpires played on!

The Fat Lady didn't know we had lost.

Hahaha your coach is classic. "Everyone was yelling so the siren wasn't heard."

Hahahahahaha

 

[meekaboy]

What a joke. The Dockers should lodge a formal appeal, if not to
change the game result but to force the AFL to put in place a process
to prevent this happenning again. Imagine a GF being decided in the
same manner as this.

Bad luck Dockers, you were well and truly robbed. Ned Kelly rides again.

 

[Shell]

Another thing,

Why was the first point that the Saints 'scored', taken away??

I would have thought that the first point and the second shot on goal would have been counted. (if the whole thing wasnt a debacle and the siren hadnt have sounded)

 

[Cogz24]

Considering his job is on the line..He held together very well i thought.

Connolly was supurbly restrained he almost had the right to belt the living suitcase out of the 3 field umpires

 

[ICanDressMyself]

F*cking disgraceful umpiring.

Absolute f*cking joke, Saints go f*ck yourselves you got so bloody lucky.

I feel for you Freo fans, a one point win which should have happened would have been sweet revenge for the one point loss to them there last year, which you also should have won.

Just when I thought the standard of umpiring couldn't get any worse they f*ck up like this. What an absolute disgrace to the AFL.

 

[Docker_Brat]

I agree that Fremantle were robbed, but unfortunately the rules state that the siren does not decide the end of game. It is the umpire acknowledging the siren which is the end of game (the siren is just the indicator to the umpire). Because the umpire did not call TIME OFF (or end of game) then the AFL may see the result on a technicality and read out the laws.

Since the result ended in a draw, I think the AFL will be reluctant to change the result.

Read below ...:

10.4.1: End of Quarter

The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings an end to play.

10.4.2: Siren Heard by Field Umpire
Play in each quarter shall come to an end when any one of the field umpires hears the siren.

Unfortunately it is the AFL and the ground to blame for substandard conditions. Not the umpires.

oh.. look who comes out of the woodwork.

 

[ben9909]

you can't be serious!? the amount of pressure that man is under week after week with his job always said to be on the line. Then for a win to be taken off you. I thought he was very restrained under the circumstances.

Yes I am. I can understand his situation, but his professionalism today was pathetic. He should be fined for walking onto the ground while play is still in progress.

 

[The Fireman]

Re: WTF! Freo Game! Umpires played on!

How sincere was Thomas when he said there was a lot of yelling and he didn't hear the siren?

We didn't hear it at home that much is clear so either the Freo players have a ringing in their ears or the Saints players heard it too. Will anyone come clean? I mean AFL players here sirens in their private lives all the time, why not today?

This is worse than the night final years ago when Kerry Goode marked a few seconds after the siren to win the game for the Roos against Collingwood.

All is not lost, we picked up 2 points, you'd have to be happy about that ODN, surely.

 

[chooker]

Over 100 posts in 20 mins, is that some kind of record?

This will end up in court. Freo won the game, simple as that, i hope the AFL is pragmatic when ruling on this and common sense wins out.

 

[Altum Volantes]

"If a siren sounds in Tasmania and nobody hears it, does it make a sound?"

That's the real question here isn't it?

 

[JuddyisGod]

yep. he's absolutely spot on. But Dennis seemed to think that Hayden Kennedy had called time. Then they didn't even call time after all thsi went down.

Imagine if this game was at Subi. The umpires wouldn't have made it to their cars alive!

 

[kidstyler]

u need a few siant players to do the right thing and come out and say they heard it!

....but thats not going to happen!

so its a good thing i believe in karma!

 

[konstas_87]

The AFL have a duty of care to get this right or there will be a revolt of some kind. The AFL will have to act on this tonite and award the game and the 4 points to Fremantle . I can see this heading for the courts. 2nd time in three weeks a team has been ripped off , 1st Melbourne V Adelaide & now Freo What a joke.

The melb v adelaide did look wrong but there was no conclusive angle. Thats just a judgement call.

But theres no excuse for this sought of thing.

Can the AFL reverse the result of a match after it has been said and done?
Not sure on the rules when it comes to this sought of thing.

It'll certainly be talked about if Freo finish half a game out of the 8 come round 22.

 

[The Fireman]

Re: WTF! Freo Game! Umpires played on!

Hahaha your coach is classic. "Everyone was yelling so the siren wasn't heard."

Hahahahahaha

Yeah that's funny.....ummm...is it?

 

[JuddyisGod]

I agree that Fremantle were robbed, but unfortunately the rules state that the siren does not decide the end of game. It is the umpire acknowledging the siren which is the end of game (the siren is just the indicator to the umpire). Because the umpire did not call TIME OFF (or end of game) then the AFL may see the result on a technicality and read out the laws.

Since the result ended in a draw, I think the AFL will be reluctant to change the result.

Read below ...:

10.4.1: End of Quarter

The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings an end to play.

10.4.2: Siren Heard by Field Umpire
Play in each quarter shall come to an end when any one of the field umpires hears the siren.

Unfortunately it is the AFL and the ground to blame for substandard conditions. Not the umpires.

But the umpires still never called time!!!

and Dennis said that Hayden Kennedy did call time.

 

[Mofra]

Fremantle robbed? What about the ing punters , i had 2 large on freo to win (which they did). AFL better fix up this ing farce of a game. For the games sake lets hope australia does poorly in the world cup, the game is well and truly ed. also confirms what we all knew about cornflakes, pure scum.

So if Freo don't get the game awarded to them, could we see a class action by punters robbed of their winnings?