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Who would have kicked the after the siren shot if it had been paid? I think it was Hughes? I saw him put his gum shield in his shorts in expectation of getting the ball. It was about 6 metres inside the I50 and boundary intersection so he probably would have had the journey for a point at least. Still unlikely he would have kicked a winning goal but we will never know I guess

Could have moved it 10m closer to goal like they did for that Noones f***stick
 
You would think with a slow, one-paced midfield that our strength would be stoppages and we would get burnt on the outside - but our clearance work is absolutely disgraceful. The slow ball movement is insipid, but in my opinion this week and last we lost the game in the middle. Other than the last few minutes, North were streaming the ball out of the centre with absolute ease. What is the solution? Johnson HAS to play next week, but is he really going to come in and be a better stoppage player than what we already have? Incredibly frustrating. It was the same last year, whenever we lost it was because our midfield got walked all over and made to look slow and weak.
 

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...Without wanting this to drag on I think that blanket statement is the actual recipe for a 'crap society'. Every situation requires critical thought of all available knowledge and nuance of the context involved. This isn't some celebrity being cancelled based over a twitter post from a different time: It's something with a fair amount of investiagative journalism and witness statements to corroborate that. But it's easy to hide behind "innocent until proven guilty" just as much as it's easy to attack someone "You're gender/race/identity insensitive" for a humorous comment to a different crowd meant with 0 malice (or 0 knowledge of the power of 'normalisation' too) for that matter.

Everyone is able to balance and judge the available evidence for themselves and I'd hope we all have the intellectual maturity to allow that as well as teach the young to be able to make that critical distinction for themselves. The real damage to society is the ill-disciplined application of this critical thought and the easy and damaging/toxic thought processes this can lead to.

So I repeat: Don't conflate game day petulance with a nuanced opinion that has required a level of discipline and critical thought to attain. Especially when dismissing it with such a banal and can-kicking rebuke

Yet you are saying that in me dismissing it I havent used critical thought. i have done. Which means I think it most likely that the accusations were made up and used at a time for maximum impact. As I cannot prove that I will not say anything definite about someones character although I have my suspicions. As that principle you so easily dismiss, is one that our society is built upon and is in part why we live in such an amazing country.

But surte - if innocent until proven guilty is something you dismiss, fine.

Don't be foolish enough to think that because you have thought something through and come to one conclusion, that someone who comes to another conclusion hasn't thought it through.
 
You watched that tripe and that's your input? Tabs? Not JL, not the midfield, not Jackson and Darcy, not the gameplan, not the lack of rebound, not the structure....but just Tabs?

Any time Tabs doesn't kick 3 or more goals half the board wants to delist him. And even those times when he does they are just waiting for the next time he doesn't kick 3 to roll out this rubbish.
 
The bit I don’t get about Jackson is the whole “he’s so mobile could be a mid etc etc”, why not just play a mid like Johnson who is better than him at it? Jackson is offering nothing as a tall anyway
 
What's the score with Walters being the sub? Looks by some margin your most dangerous forward - is he not fit or is it an age thing?

Been on reduced minutes after coming back from an achilles injury. The thinking is probably that he couldn't run out a full game yet with his fitness base.
 
I haven't read through the thread and I am sufficiently calmed down so I won't lose my shit.

I'm glad we lost on the back of that performance but I wish it was by more. Getting that close is going to paper over the cracks and you can just see JL not changing anything. Coaches are real stubborn campaigners for some reason. At least if we had have lost by 5-6 goals it would have made the issues that much more glaring for the coaching group to see.

I said to my mate at 3/4 time that I would celebrate goals but I would not celebrate if we won. We didn't deserve it and I will not celebrate that performance.

People can bemoan clearances and the forwards but the biggest thing for me is the lack of effort in transition. North would get the ball and have players streaming forward trying to outnumber us and it worked a lot. When would look to launch from defence there was nothing like that. It was clear as day to see on TV last week as well. We are a team of lazy campaigners and the fact that it has been the same through multiple coaches and list turnovers makes me think there is something rotten at the core.

Hopefully something changes for the Derby but I am not holding my breath. No matter how the other mob perform tomorrow, I am going to go into it expecting to lose if we play the same team.
 
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Feel free to disagree but there is no need for the ad homenims. You know that's the sign of a failed argument because its not argument

There's no need for an argument when people repeatedly bag one of our players week after week. They just need to shut the **** up.

There's only so many times we can point out that Taberner has vastly outperformed all our other tall forwards this year. The endless bagging of Taberner is a blight on this board and a lot of us are sick of it.

There are currently 2 separate threads on the front page dedicated to bagging Taberner and then there's this thread and the game day thread too. Maybe give it a rest?
 
The bit I don’t get about Jackson is the whole “he’s so mobile could be a mid etc etc”, why not just play a mid like Johnson who is better than him at it? Jackson is offering nothing as a tall anyway
Or you know....just play jackson as a mid...
 

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There's no need for an argument when people repeatedly bag one of our players week after week. They just need to shut the * up.

There's only so many times we can point out that Taberner has vastly outperformed all our other tall forwards this year. The endless bagging of Taberner is a blight on this board and a lot of us are sick of it.
How about you do that mate
 
I was just looking at closing minutes highlights just now. The ball was going out of bounds when the siren blew or the clock ran down to 0:00 but it wasn't out of bounds. Think the rule would be that the umpires can't call deliberate before the ball actually crosses the line.
Do not get fooled by the clock time shown on the broadcast. That does not necessarily line up with the actual timekeeper's sounding of the siren. Often in games, I have seen that several seconds different to the sounding of the siren.

And if you watch very closely and intently the AFL last 2 minutes replay, (Refer to pic1 below) you will see the clock reaches 0:00 about 2 seconds prior to the siren sounding and the players then reacting to the siren. The time on the AFL last 2 minutes video replay shows at 3:30 (on the video player), the broadcast timer reaches 0:00 (the ball is only about half way to the boundary line at that stage), but it is not until 3:32 on the replay that you first hear the siren, then immediately see player reactions. The ball is clearly a few metres over the line by that stage.

Pic 1: TV clock reaches 0:00, Video replay shows 3:30, ball still in flight towards boundary line, no audio of siren, no reactions from players hearing the siren.

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Pic 2: Video replay shows 3:31, ball has crossed the boundary line and at this point, still no siren, no reactions from players hearing the siren, no reactions from commentators hearing the siren.

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Pic 3: Video replay shows 3:32, ball has crossed the boundary line and at this point I first hear the siren start to sound, but still no reactions from players hearing the siren;

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Pic 4: Video replay shows 3:32, ball has crossed the boundary line and I can clearly hear the siren sounding and start to see reactions from players hearing the siren;

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Pic 5: Video replay shows 3:32, at this point I first hear a commentator start to say they have heard the siren sound, and lots of reactions from players hearing the siren;

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Pic 6: Video replay shows 3:33, siren still sounding and reactions from players hearing the siren continues.

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Do not get fooled by the clock time shown on the broadcast. That does not necessarily line up with the actual timekeeper's sounding of the siren. Often in games, I have seen that several seconds different to the sounding of the siren.

And if you watch very closely and intently the AFL last 2 minutes replay, (Refer to pic1 below) you will see the clock reaches 0:00 about 2 seconds prior to the siren sounding and the players then reacting to the siren. The time on the AFL last 2 minutes video replay shows at 3:30 (on the video player), the broadcast timer reaches 0:00 (the ball is only about half way to the boundary line at that stage), but it is not until 3:32 on the replay that you first hear the siren, then immediately see player reactions. The ball is clearly a few metres over the line by that stage.

Pic 1: TV clock reaches 0:00, Video replay shows 3:30, ball still in flight towards boundary line, no audio of siren, no reactions from players hearing the siren.

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Pic 2: Video replay shows 3:31, ball has crossed the boundary line and at this point, still no siren, no reactions from players hearing the siren, no reactions from commentators hearing the siren.

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Pic 3: Video replay shows 3:32, ball has crossed the boundary line and at this point I first hear the siren start to sound, but still no reactions from players hearing the siren;

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Pic 4: TV clock still showing 0:00, Video replay shows 3:32, ball has crossed the boundary line and I can clearly hear the siren sounding and start to see reactions from players hearing the siren;

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Pic 5: TV clock still showing 0:00, Video replay shows 3:32, at this point I first hear a commentator start to say they have heard the siren sound, and lots of reactions from players hearing the siren;

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Pic 6: Video replay shows 3:33, siren still sounding and reactions from players hearing the siren continues.

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I am not sure what the rules say on this. I think you can award a free kick after the end of quarter 1/2/3 siren, but maybe not after the final siren?

But that may be not apply to boundary line decisions, maybe only to player actions (eg striking someone after the siren).
 
Do not get fooled by the clock time shown on the broadcast. That does not necessarily line up with the actual timekeeper's sounding of the siren. Often in games, I have seen that several seconds different to the sounding of the siren.

And if you watch very closely and intently the AFL last 2 minutes replay, (Refer to pic1 below) you will see the clock reaches 0:00 about 2 seconds prior to the siren sounding and the players then reacting to the siren. The time on the AFL last 2 minutes video replay shows at 3:30 (on the video player), the broadcast timer reaches 0:00 (the ball is only about half way to the boundary line at that stage), but it is not until 3:32 on the replay that you first hear the siren, then immediately see player reactions. The ball is clearly a few metres over the line by that stage.

Pic 1: TV clock reaches 0:00, Video replay shows 3:30, ball still in flight towards boundary line, no audio of siren, no reactions from players hearing the siren.

View attachment 1639941
Pic 2: Video replay shows 3:31, ball has crossed the boundary line and at this point, still no siren, no reactions from players hearing the siren, no reactions from commentators hearing the siren.

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Pic 3: Video replay shows 3:32, ball has crossed the boundary line and at this point I first hear the siren start to sound, but still no reactions from players hearing the siren;

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Pic 4: Video replay shows 3:32, ball has crossed the boundary line and I can clearly hear the siren sounding and start to see reactions from players hearing the siren;

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Pic 5: Video replay shows 3:32, at this point I first hear a commentator start to say they have heard the siren sound, and lots of reactions from players hearing the siren;

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Pic 6: Video replay shows 3:33, siren still sounding and reactions from players hearing the siren continues.

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Yup they ****ed up hugely there. And the most we'll get is a "yeah we were wrong nothing we can do about it" (though they'll find some technicality to prove they weren't wrong).

Like it would be a lot better melting with at least a couple points in the bank.
 
I am not sure what the rules say on this. I think you can award a free kick after the end of quarter 1/2/3 siren, but maybe not after the final siren?

But that may be not apply to boundary line decisions, maybe only to player actions (eg striking someone after the siren).
One of the umps could cleary be heard shouting "play it."

Also does anyone remember in some sydney game last year something similar happening? And they actually went through and reviewed it before calling time??
 

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