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Rumour Future of the club (Bevo, board, assistant coaches, football department)
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Kornes just comes out and says we should of got rid of bevo a few years ago, and we'd be much better off if we did. interesting for a talking head not to hide their opinions under a layer of crap like Caro "people have said" etc...
Hes off track on defence though. Bev has always coached for defence first, its just the kind of defence he has ingrained into the side isnt viable any more.
Hes on par with big footy users for football smarts.
Hes off track on defence though. Bev has always coached for defence first, its just the kind of defence he has ingrained into the side isnt viable any more.
Hes on par with big footy users for football smarts.
He’s had an open dislike for Bevo ever since Bevo (admittedly it was childish) flamed him over his comments about Treloar in 2021.
He also said we’d ‘blown the premiership’ only for the side to annihilate Port at home a few weeks later, which he copped it for.
Happy for people to express an opinion but Bevo could do a three peat and Cornes would still call for his head.
You would certainly think so. In fact I’ve always thought he was the ideal sub - can play almost anywhere if you get injuries.
But he was useless on the weekend.
Kane's right. You can't buy that anyone with half a brain is happy with how things are going.
Why bring in Rory Lobb & Liam Jones if we're doing a rebuild.
Good coaches FIND spots for good players like Macrae, Daniel & Dale. Build a gameplan that fits them so you get the most out of them & aren't playing VFL players.
15 & 16 were a ton of fun.
21 was a ride.
Other than that it has been a shit show given the talent at his disposal.
Time to move on.
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Probably shouldn’t have traded away this years first if the plan was rebuilding.
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On footy classified tonight they’re claiming that the board is meeting Tuesday (tomorrow) with Luke Beveridge to discuss his messaging and choice of words during press conferences.
He is already referring to our period of transition etc etc and the club is of the view that we should be aiming for top 4.
Surely this is a sign of huge trouble?
If this is true it might not be long now.
He is already referring to our period of transition etc etc and the club is of the view that we should be aiming for top 4.
Surely this is a sign of huge trouble?
If this is true it might not be long now.
BulldogMuscle
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Press conference tomorrow? 
Macrae is pointless as sub imo, either plays or he doesn’t
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I can’t believe Bevo said doing the same thing over and over again is the definition of insanity. That is exactly what he has been doing for years. His game plan has never changed and his solution is to drop senior experienced players for less talent. By doing that he is literally blaming the players for performance and not recognising that his game plan needs to change.
Well the club does play on Thursday nightPress conference tomorrow?
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I really don't see the point of making any changes until the probability of making finals is so remote that it forces our hand.
What benefit is there to an interim coach for more than say 10 weeks or whatever?
What benefit is there to an interim coach for more than say 10 weeks or whatever?
BulldogMuscle
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Depends if the board / bevo can't come to an agreement on where we actually stand.
Either that or the players revolt, has happened before.
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Why even have the discussions now. Why do we need to "determine" it now?
For better or for worse when we stuck with Bevo after last year for the sake not not having disfunctionality we surely were stuck with him for at least 15 games or whatever.
The board/C-suite needs to accept the decisions they made last year and give Bevo those 15 or so games to prove it, and to make the discussions had last year in good faith.
If the players are revolting five games into the season - after we've only had one loss as favourite in those five games and we're probably not roughly in the same - we have problems that extent far beyond Bevo.
BulldogMuscle
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Lets see if the messaging changes.
Either the board gets in line that we're in a rebuild/reset/evolution/transformation/whatever buzzword they want to use for 'not contending'
Or Bevo stops using those buzzwords and we start hearing more ''we're going for a flag'' talk.
Mixed messaging ain't helping any one, no one knows where the club is at, what our goals are, and what's going on, the mixed messaging is legitimately confusing.
Taken them so long to see the selection issues
This is from Kane Cornes who says the dogs have a "soft draw"
We play these teams twice
Melbourne - top 4
Geelong - Top 4 - and of course we play them on their home ground and on a neutral ground
Giants - Top 4
Fremantle - Looking good early
Gold Coast - no pushover
This is an indication of his attention to detail - our draw is looking like the hardest in the comp based on early form.
Dale - Hamstring , no pre season games, terrible first month
If a player is made the sub because they are way out of formand have a long term contract, does that mean they are out of favour and never going to play again?
If an 18 year old is not getting a lot of the ball, is not using it that well when he does and his gps numbers show he is struggling - does that mean his career is over?
We were poor on Friday, but talk about a massive witch hunt from a bloke who has some sort of agenda against the dogs.
There has been a massive over reaction from the media here - all because Bevo called out a few media hacks over the years.
And before you shout out Bevo apologist - this is not about Bevo.
Absolutely none, and the idea of a coach coming in from outside midseason is fan fiction.
The board backed Bevo in. It could have been a soft decision or they might have information we don’t. Either way, to crap the bed five games after the changes they made in the off-season would be absurd.
My view is there is a really strong young core and some very strong old talent, but a few declining players and list cloggers getting a game because they’re slightly better than the next guy.
It’s definitely not a start from scratch job, and good draft selections and development and some good mature talent could turn things around quickly.
If they thought this was a contending list and now don’t then they should fess up and explain why. I’ve set out reasons elsewhere on this board but I think our list building strategy has been poor since about 2018.
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Personally I wouldn't call 2019 wasted. It was a pretty good effort to finish that year in the eight. We had a pretty decent list but nothing near top four material. And ended up bowing out to the eventual Grand Finalists in the first final.
The main wastes have been 2022, 2023 and now looking like 2024. No excuses for those seasons. Should be making the top 8 easily. Every other "Failed" season under Bevo at least has a decent excuse under it in my opinion.
Agree, we do not have an easy draw. But we are in the soft part of our draw. The first nine weeks where we barely leave Victoria and play WC, hawks, tigers, bombers, GC (home), saints plus Freo (away), Geelong (neutral) and Melb (MCG) is way easier than the run we have once the giants roll around in round ten.
Unless we find something startling I don't see us winning many games in the back half of the year. A top four team should be 8-1 or 7-2 after those first nine games, a finals team probably 6-3 and definitely no worse than 5-4. Unless we have a good win on Thursday and go on a bit of a run before the fixture gets tough then we'll be bottom eight, possibly bottom six.
Cornes is a shock jock and most of the AFL media are not much better, but I'm not sure there's a massive overreaction. This might not be a flag or top four list, but it should be better than this. Decision making remains confused and comms from the club are equally confusing or non-existent. It's not that one senior player is being dropped or made sub, it's three of them on rotation when they probably have a combined $2m-ish in salary cap while we have players who are patently not AFL standard playing in the team.
It's not one performance, it's the culmination of over two years of this. The defense remains porous, the midfield is stale, the ruck is non-competitive at times and the forward line remain poorly-coached and ineffective most weeks - and our KPFs are the worst goal conversion duo in the comp. Frankly, a focus on this from a footy media perspective is long overdue and if WC, North and others hadn't been so abject over the past couple of years then maybe it would have happened earlier.
In my mind 2022 was somewhat explainable after the hub debacle, losing GF etc. Last year is the bad one for me. We had it all set up for a crack at the top four and lost three or for four games to lower ranked sides who had nothing to play for to miss everything.
The Essendon debacle has similar hallmarks to those losses but it’s early. If we start losing games the way we lost to Hawthorn, WC and GC last year then I think the pressure on the club will be like a blast furnace.
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