Rumour Future of the club (Bevo, board, assistant coaches, football department)

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anyone can post robbos piece on the bulldogs review fro the Hun?
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A rare event looks like being played out at the Western Bulldogs – a review without bloodshed.
Of the senior club figures, football boss Chris Grant would appear to be under the most scrutiny because veteran administrator Peter Jackson’s review guidelines – announced this week – centre solely on the football department.

That’s Grant’s domain, but early indications suggest the review is not a headhunting exercise but instead a fact-finding expedition to improve the overall department.

The other senior figure, of course, is coach Luke Beveridge.

There’s also chief executive Ameet Bains.

Bains, who with Grant ran an internal review at season’s end which heralded in hefty change to the coaching group, is also conducting the “external” review with Jackson.

And that would be a rare event wouldn’t it, a chief executive discovering in his second review that he wasn’t the right person to be running the club?

So, no, Bains isn’t going anywhere.

Speculation this week that Jackson had to be reviewing Beveridge’s future was just dribble.

Because if the Bains-Grant internal review fully supported Beveridge, it’s a million to one the Bains-Jackson external review would recommend the Dogs, in December, dispense with the coach.

Make that 10,000,000-1.

The Western Bulldogs are undergoing a football department review. Picture: Getty Images

The Western Bulldogs are undergoing a football department review. Picture: Getty Images
It won’t mean Beveridge, the Bulldogs’ greatest achieving coach, will avoid examination.

President Kylie Watson-Wheeler’s job description was to review “various aspects of the administration, operation and integration of the AFL men’s program, the program’s overarching environment and how the club best maximises the opportunities of on-field success’’.

It’s real corporate speak.

To try to break it down, Grant is the “operation”, Bains oversees the “administration”, and presumably Grant, Bains and Beveridge all have a major role in the “integration”, which is the bringing together of all footy divisions.

The “environment” is about culture, leadership, communication and connections, the buzz words in any professional football club.

Plainly, the question is: Have we got a culture problem? Individually? Collectively?

Inspector Jackson will be all over it.

That Jackson is adding his expertise in administration and leadership is a positive step for the Bulldogs.

The timing is curious, however, if not bizarre.

Already, the Bulldogs have replaced a third of their football program staff and have appointed new assistant and development coaches, a new high performance boss named Daniel Duvnjak-Zaknich and a new chief medical officer, Dr Anthony Hipsley.

Luke Beveridge talking to Chris Grant at Western Bulldogs training last year. Picture: AAP Images

Luke Beveridge talking to Chris Grant at Western Bulldogs training last year. Picture: AAP Images
You can only assume the Dogs decided to wait until all those positions were filled before appointing Jackson, because we can reveal that Bains was leaning towards the hiring of an external consultant as far back as preliminary final weekend.

All football staff returned from holidays on Monday so, if we can guess, Jackson’s probing of the new guys would likely be their first impressions and previous opinions of the club.

And how they can best influence “how the club best maximises the opportunities of on-field success’’.

The Bulldogs cannot be accused of sitting on their hands.

Immediately in the post season, changes were made, and they pricked the perception that Beveridge maintained absolute power in the footy department.

The hammer blow came when Grant and Bains sacked assistant coach and club legend Rohan Smith.

Beveridge didn’t like his great mate being dumped.

Where football director Luke Darcy, a long-time teammate of Smith’s, sat with that decision is unknown. But Darcy is a fully-fledged Beveridge man.

The conflict over the Smith decision was serious or minor depending on who you listen to.

Some former Smith teammates (not working at the club) were at both ends of that spectrum.

What the strong-minded Beveridge thinks of the Jackson appointment is most important.

He could be either all-in on improving the program and sees Jackson as a weapon, or he might feel his authority is a touch challenged.

Peter Jackson is leading the Western Bulldogs review. Picture: Getty Images

Peter Jackson is leading the Western Bulldogs review. Picture: Getty Images
If it’s the latter, it wouldn’t surprise. Name a coach who isn’t strong-minded about their position and abilities, especially a premiership coach.

The prevailing view from the club, however, is it’s the former and Jackson is the final cog in improving processes and best practices as the club forges towards 2024.

Does that put the spotlight on Grant and Beveridge? Yes, but so it should because they are the two most influential heads in the footy department.

Jackson is well-respected at AFL headquarters, but it’s understood the AFL played no role in his appointment to the Bulldogs. It was a president/chief executive initiative.

The AFL had previously coerced Jackson to review an embattled Melbourne Football Club in 2013 before he became the club’s chief executive.

Before that, he was the premiership chief executive at Essendon (2000) and was the person who convinced coaching goliath Kevin Sheedy his time had come to an end.

He was also chairman of AFL Victoria for a period, and closer to home, worked with Simon Garlick when Garlick was appointed the Bulldogs CEO in 2010.

The Bulldogs did not apply a timeline to Jackson’s role.

A review without casualties is rare because traditional club reviews find fall guys.

Club CEO Ameet Bains with Luke Beveridge at training. Picture: Getty Images

Club CEO Ameet Bains with Luke Beveridge at training. Picture: Getty Images
In 2020, Carlton dispensed with coach David Teague and chief executive Cain Liddle as it embarked on an internal review.

David Noble did not survive a Geoff Walsh-led review at North Melbourne in 2022, and nor did Brett Ratten at St Kilda in the same season after he was reappointed.

The most savage overhaul was at Essendon at the end of 2022. Amid a boardroom coup, an internal and then a second external review run by Ernst & Young put the microscope on everyone at the club.

Departures included coach Ben Rutten and chief executive Xavier Campbell, former president Paul Brasher resigned and director Simon Madden joined him.

And the man who did the initial internal review, Josh Mahoney, also didn’t see out the long-term changes. He left for the AFL in August.

Who knows, there might be unintentional subterfuge at play at the Bulldogs, and the Jackson appointment might eventually lead to a casualty.

Because make no mistake, reviews always start with best intentions and mostly always end with somebody’s tears.

The Bulldogs might buck that trend.
 
1 premiership, 2 grand finals, and consistent finals representation is absolutely high performing for a club with numerous traditional disadvantages to overcome.

If you don't think so you are kidding yourself.
This choice of words you're using makes it sound like three good years.

Beveridge has been the coach for 8 seasons. He has only won a final in two of those seasons. That is embarrassing.
 

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Hard to compare this review to the ones at North and St Kilda that led to coach sackings. They are/were/may still be basket cases.
At least St Kilda had the foresight to see Ratten was a dead-end, and the resolve to terminate his employment despite giving him a new contract the same year. Ross Lyon might not take them to the finish line, but he at least gives them a better chance than Ratten would've.

At the Bulldogs, nothing changes. Beveridge is protected by the boy's club. Re-signing him on big money after a joke of a 2022 year was disgraceful.

Throughout the year Ameet Bains was saying the club believes we have the list to compete for flags. After losing embarrassingly to West Coast at the end of the year, Beveridge comes out and says something like "People who say we have a great list don't have a sophisticated understanding of the game" or something along those lines, directly contradicting the CEO. How are we not a basket case after that?

Any other club would sack the coach right then and there, but Beveridge has political standing at the club. Aside from being the first coach to win a flag for the club in 62 years, he was also an ex-Footscray player, has his mate Luke Darcy on the board and Chris Grant in charge of football operations.
 
“ What’s so high performance about making two grand finals and winning a premiership? pfft ”

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Yeah because Alan Joyce is the pinnacle of high performance.

If making a couple of Grand Finals was the be all end all, then why hasn't Choco Williams had any luck finding employment as a senior coach after his time at Port Adelaide? At least he could get teams finishing top 4, unlike Luke.

Making two Grand Finals should not entitle a coach to having unlimited credits in the bank.
 
At least St Kilda had the foresight to see Ratten was a dead-end, and the resolve to terminate his employment despite giving him a new contract the same year.
So they had foresight to get rid of Ratten…despite not doing so until AFTER the review that took place months after they signed him on for two years.
 
Yeah because Alan Joyce is the pinnacle of high performance.

If making a couple of Grand Finals was the be all end all, then why hasn't Choco Williams had any luck finding employment as a senior coach after his time at Port Adelaide? At least he could get teams finishing top 4, unlike Luke.

Making two Grand Finals should not entitle a coach to having unlimited credits in the bank.

Yeah, nothing high performance about Joyce’s two AFL premierships.

Give us some more wisdom, Mantra!
 
Fair go, everyone rattles on about making top four, ignores the fact we made a grand final twice outside the top four, one we won. We could be Melbourne and make the top four twice and not win a final, is that what we want.
 
I agree let’s select a guy that can’t actually run anymore over a kid whose main concern was match fitness (which can be fixed).
No, let's select a guy capable of impacting the game being played that week, not one who we hope will be able to impact games in another year or two, if he works really hard in the gym.
 
Yeah because Alan Joyce is the pinnacle of high performance.

If making a couple of Grand Finals was the be all end all, then why hasn't Choco Williams had any luck finding employment as a senior coach after his time at Port Adelaide? At least he could get teams finishing top 4, unlike Luke.

Making two Grand Finals should not entitle a coach to having unlimited credits in the bank.

Because most AFL Club boards have no idea how to be successful, that is why. I'd be more than happy to have Choco Williams join our coaching team.
 
1 premiership, 2 grand finals, and consistent finals representation is absolutely high performing for a club with numerous traditional disadvantages to overcome.

If you don't think so you are kidding yourself.
2015 and ‘16 were absolutely brilliant no one’s doubting that - but this is not the same football department. We’re not drastically shaking up the football department from ‘15/16 like those seasons are at all relevant currently, basically all of the support cast is gone and Bevo has obviously not been the coach he was back then.

Simply put since 16 we haven’t won a final in 6 out of the last 7 years, ‘21 is clearly an outlier and merely scrapping into finals is not the win you think it is. We’ve literally had 3 good seasons, 2 of them 8 & 9 years ago 😂 That’s really all there is to say on the matter

High performing geez
 

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The only seasons I’ve genuinely considered genuine missed opportunities were 22 and 23.

I’d love to have won more finals but consider this. 2017 we have a hangover of the gods and who wouldn’t? 2016 will forever be the leagues biggest fairytale. 2018 we were rebuilding. We had no right playing finals in 2019 given our list age and make up and were shown up in finals. 2020 we are still pretty young and make finals in a completely unprecedented Covid year, we kick straight and we win. 2021 was what it was.

2022 was a failure but you’re not sacking a coach or doing a full football department review 12 months after being in a grand final. 2023 is the worst season Bevo has had by some stretch and rightly things are being reviewed.
 
Yeah, nothing high performance about Joyce’s two AFL premierships.

Give us some more wisdom, Mantra!
Yeah you are clearly an unpleasant person and not worth engaging with.

Fair go, everyone rattles on about making top four, ignores the fact we made a grand final twice outside the top four, one we won. We could be Melbourne and make the top four twice and not win a final, is that what we want.
It's literally the other way around: Beveridge defenders rattle on about making the Grand Final twice while ignoring the 6 sh*t years.
With coaches like Worsfold and Mark Williams, they coached multiple contending years even without making the Grand Final, and that's on top of their two GF appearances + a flag. With Beveridge, if he's not making the Grand Final, it's generally a rubbish, non-contender year.
 
Many coaches can only dream of being embarrassed in a such a way.
Are you ok bro?
Because most AFL Club boards have no idea how to be successful, that is why. I'd be more than happy to have Choco Williams join our coaching team.
Sounds like you completely missed the point.

I'm saying Mark Williams has no luck getting a head coaching job anymore, despite making two Grand Finals, winning one, and coaching multiple top 4 years, including three top of the ladder finishes. He has objectively outperformed Beveridge as a coach, yet Port still sacked him, and he cannot get another top job.

Why? Because he doesn't have a boy's club protecting him like Beveridge does. Beveridge can have two terrible years in a row, directly contradict the CEO on the subject of season expectations, and he still gets to keep his job. It's all political.
 
The only seasons I’ve genuinely considered genuine missed opportunities were 22 and 23.

I’d love to have won more finals but consider this. 2017 we have a hangover of the gods and who wouldn’t? 2016 will forever be the leagues biggest fairytale. 2018 we were rebuilding. We had no right playing finals in 2019 given our list age and make up and were shown up in finals. 2020 we are still pretty young and make finals in a completely unprecedented Covid year, we kick straight and we win. 2021 was what it was.

2022 was a failure but you’re not sacking a coach or doing a full football department review 12 months after being in a grand final. 2023 is the worst season Bevo has had by some stretch and rightly things are being reviewed.
This does not make sense to me. Why would we have "no right playing finals" when we finished 7th? Who cares if we had a relatively young list. Bontempelli, Macrae and Dunkley finished top 10 in the coaches votes. We had a quality across our list, and there was absolutely reason to believe we should improve the following year, but we didn't.

We had no right playing finals in 2019 given our list age and make up and were shown up in finals. 2020 we are still pretty young and make finals in a completely unprecedented Covid year, we kick straight and we win.
So we had "no right" playing finals in 2019, but the coach gets credit for making it in 2020? Where the only top 8 side we beat all year was an utterly depleted West Coast side by 2 points?

2020 was a garbage year, just like 2022 and 2023. Three of the last four years under Beveridge have been garbage, and it was blatantly wrong to re-sign him earlier in the year for 800k per year. There is absolutely every reason to believe we have a good enough list to contend, yet he had the gall to claim anyone suggesting we should be contending "doesn't have a sophisticated understanding of the game".

He's a joke.
 
This choice of words you're using makes it sound like three good years.

Beveridge has been the coach for 8 seasons. He has only won a final in two of those seasons. That is embarrassing.
Embarrassing is harsh.

Since 2015:

Bulldogs: 6 finals appearances, 7 finals wins, one premiership, one Grand Final.

MORE EMBARRASSING THAN BULLDOGS:
Adelaide: 3 finals appearances, 4 finals wins, one Grand Final (also 18th)
Brisbane: 6 finals appearances, 6 finals wins, one Grand Final (also 17th, 17th, 18th)
Carlton: 1 finals appearance, 2 finals wins (also 16th, 16th, 18th, 18th)
Essendon: 3 finals appearances, 0 finals wins (also 18th)
Fremantle: 2 finals appearances, 2 finals wins (also 16th)
Gold Coast: 0 finals appearances
GWS: 6 finals appearances, 9 finals wins, one Grand Final (also 16th)
Hawthorn: 3 finals appearances, 3 finals wins, one premiership (also 16th)
Melbourne: 4 finals appearances, 5 finals wins, one premiership (also 17th)
Norf: 2 finals appearances, 2 finals wins (also 17th, 17th, 18th, 18th)
Port: 4 finals appearances, 3 finals wins
St Kilda: 2 finals appearances, 1 finals win (also 16th)
Sydney: 7 finals appearances, 5 finals wins, two Grand Finals (also 16th)
West Coast: 6 finals appearances, 7 finals wins, one premiership, one Grand Final (also 17th, 18th)

Collingwood: 5 finals appearances, 8 finals wins, one premiership, one Grand Final (also 17th)
Geelong: 7 finals appearances, 9 finals wins, one premiership, one Grand Final
Richmond: 6 finals appearances, 10 finals wins, three premierships


I put it to you that 14 teams have been more embarrassing than us since 2015. WCE have exactly the same stats us as in terms of appearances, wins, premierships and runner-ups. They are more embarrassing based on their 17th and 18th finishes.

If you want the epitome of embarrassing, look no further than Sydney. They've missed finals only twice since 2015, have made two Grand Finals and lost them both. They also went out in straight sets in 2015 and have lost three of the four EFs they've played.
 
This does not make sense to me. Why would we have "no right playing finals" when we finished 7th? Who cares if we had a relatively young list. Bontempelli, Macrae and Dunkley finished top 10 in the coaches votes. We had a quality across our list, and there was absolutely reason to believe we should improve the following year, but we didn't.


So we had "no right" playing finals in 2019, but the coach gets credit for making it in 2020? Where the only top 8 side we beat all year was an utterly depleted West Coast side by 2 points?

2020 was a garbage year, just like 2022 and 2023. Three of the last four years under Beveridge have been garbage, and it was blatantly wrong to re-sign him earlier in the year for 800k per year. There is absolutely every reason to believe we have a good enough list to contend, yet he had the gall to claim anyone suggesting we should be contending "doesn't have a sophisticated understanding of the game".

He's a joke.
That's fine mate, there's probably not much point having a discussion with somebody about this that clearly has an axe to grind AND has an account that's a day old.

All the best!
 
When you put everything together, the response to last season's underperformance has been massive.
  • New board director
  • Replacement of chief medical officer and physical performance manager
  • Axing of four coaches, replaced with two very highly regarded names (including one as coaching manager)
  • ? addition of goal kicking coach
  • Ten delistings (almost a quarter of the list) and one player traded out
  • Two ready-to-go players targeted and brought in, plus an aggressive pick trade
  • External administrative review
Time will tell how many of these moves were correct or if others were needed, but you certainly can't say we've accepted the poor year as bad luck and rested on our laurels.
I wish this club would be more aggressive like...oh wait...

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Embarrassing is harsh.

Since 2015:

Bulldogs: 6 finals appearances, 7 finals wins, one premiership, one Grand Final.
More selective wording that intentionally overlooks the key problems.
A "finals appearance" is completely worthless without further context. Beveridge defenders always act like just making top 8 should be considered a success, like we should celebrate making it in 2020 on the back of only beating bottom 10 sides, or just barely making it in 2022 on the back of an unprecedented Carlton choke.

All 7 of those "finals wins" came in two years. If a team finishes top 4 (as most contenders do) they don't even get the opportunity to farm up that many wins because they play less finals.

Standards for success are also relative to the state of the list. Since 2012 we have mostly drafted really well. Following 2019 and the promising outlook of our list, there is every reason to believe we should've been contenders in forthcoming years, or at least show gradual improvement. Instead, 2020 was a bad year, 2021 was "good"(mixed), then 2022 and 2023 were terrible. Then Beveridge the clown has the gall to claim people don't have a "sophisticated understanding" of football for believing we have a list good enough to contend. This is embarrassing.

Carlton and GWS's finals appearance in 2023 were far more impressive than the Bulldogs 2020 and 2022 seasons combined. They were beating contenders, playing an awesome brand of football and demonstrating some outstanding team spirit. They were not simply grinding out "good enough" results against plodders for an 7th/8th place finish.

If you want the epitome of embarrassing, look no further than Sydney. They've missed finals only twice since 2015, have made two Grand Finals and lost them both. They also went out in straight sets in 2015 and have lost three of the four EFs they've played.

No, Sydney have at least demonstrated sustained consistency and finished top 4 numerous times. Finishing top 4 objectively gives a team the best chance of winning a flag, and at the very minimum establishes a team as a contender for that particular season.
People who cite 2016 are being intellectually dishonest and not recognizing that as an outlier. Pointing to 2021 just further illustrates that sustained consistency and top 4 throughout the regular season is critically important for competing for Premierships, because all the extra travel and playing ultimately cost us in the Grand Final where the gas tank went empty.
 
No one gives a f**k champ.

Go wet your nappy somewhere else, Anteras. I mean, Mantra!
Oh Charlie, why are you always so unkind and indulge in personal attacks when someone has a different opinion.

Mantra has a right to express his opinion, some supporters want us to behave like those successful clubs who are ruthless and win multiple flags and not give out the key to the city to Bullgods like we have after we won both flags.

I am happy with the changes the club has made and hope 2015 Bevo returns. Let’s hope his mental health has recovered, he concentrates on player management and delegates everything else to trustee assistants and Egan.

i am optimistic about next season. We have the best player in the comp, a young forward who could be anything and a quality list. We should have a coaching department now which are not full of Yes men and who Hopefully challenge Bevo and make him a better coach.

i am interested how Bevo is going to respond to the changes, hopefully he embraces them and we win the flag with Bont winning the Brownlow and JUH kicking 50 plus goals.

Good Luck!
 

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