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[Johnny Bananas]

How much you think that might cost to buy them out (assuming that's an easy process which I can guarantee it wouldn't be)?

I don't know, but it's probably worth it. A stadium used dozens of times a year is a far better use of land than showgrounds that have one major event per year. If that costs a chunk of money, so be it.

I can hazard a guess and then if you add in the cost of demolishing buildings, dealing with heritage buildings/structures and the cost of actually building a new stadium, it's doubtful you're going to be any better off than the situation we find ourselves in now.

By what measure? Pure cost? Because there are benefits outside of that. For example, the Lions not having to move for 4-5 years and still getting a new stadium at the end of the day.

Even then you haven't factored in the cost of the RNA building new facilities, which you'd have to either do for them or compensate them for.

So be it. The cost of land is lower at Boondall, there's still railway access and ample parking. I'd rather move the RNA than move a school.

Public money will (presumably) be spent on it as it's (a) earmarked to be an Olympic venue; (b) the deal that Qld Cricket and we have with Stadiums Qld will likely have some sort of provision as to inconvenience to long-term tenants; (c) although privately-owned, it does fill a public need and will into the future. It wouldn't surprise me though if here's some dialogue happening with the RNA and/or the IOC about needing to kick in some more money.

Still a bad use of public money given its improving someone else's asset.

I know you're just spit balling, but honestly this is akin to the search for our headquarters by trawling for green space on Google Maps.

So what?

 

[Nathan Barley]

We could go in with an Arrested Development floating city:

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Hey that's my joke that I've posted several times and still not received a laugh for

 

[MSB ROYS]

Please MSB ROYS don't bring that discussion to this thread.

Old age. Just deleted...

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I don't know, but it's probably worth it. A stadium used dozens of times a year is a far better use of land than showgrounds that have one major event per year. If that costs a chunk of money, so be it.

See below, but they hold more at the showgrounds than just the Ekka.

By what measure? Pure cost? Because there are benefits outside of that. For example, the Lions not having to move for 4-5 years and still getting a new stadium at the end of the day.

So you're saying bugger the cost for one use, but be mindful of it for others?

So be it. The cost of land is lower at Boondall, there's still railway access and ample parking. I'd rather move the RNA than move a school.

When's the last time you went to anything at Boondall? Same issue as Springfield - one rail line out effectively. And Carrara-like issues with the carpark I know, I grew up in that area.

And moving a school effects maybe 1000 people. How many people attend the Ekka, not to mention the many music and cultural festivals that are held at the showgrounds?

Still a bad use of public money given its improving someone else's asset.

Depends how much it costs. Government kicked in money for Springfield, but they didn't/don't make much out of it.

So what?

Mate, you do you. I'll let you carry on if you want. It's just howling at the moon though. You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about the school being moved. Not sure why that is.

I'd much prefer not having to move. And I'd still prefer a new stadium at Albion Park, but I understand not having to maintain two stadium, one brand new and one a bit tired. I also understand the flood risk to that site. I think you could do what they did in Perth and build a new one and just use that going forward. The Gabba, apart from the location, doesn't have much in common with The Gabba of old.

 

[Warwick]

Hey that's my joke that I've posted several times and still not received a laugh for

Haha sorry mate, must have missed it. I’ll give you a now.

 

[mighty_lions]

See below, but they hold more at the showgrounds than just the Ekka.



So you're saying bugger the cost for one use, but be mindful of it for others?



When's the last time you went to anything at Boondall? Same issue as Springfield - one rail line out effectively. And Carrara-like issues with the carpark I know, I grew up in that area.

And moving a school effects maybe 1000 people. How many people attend the Ekka, not to mention the many music and cultural festivals that are held at the showgrounds?



Depends how much it costs. Government kicked in money for Springfield, but they didn't/don't make much out of it.



Mate, you do you. I'll let you carry on if you want. It's just howling at the moon though. You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about the school being moved. Not sure why that is.

I'd much prefer not having to move. And I'd still prefer a new stadium at Albion Park, but I understand not having to maintain two stadium, one brand new and one a bit tired. I also understand the flood risk to that site. I think you could do what they did in Perth and build a new one and just use that going forward. The Gabba, apart from the location, doesn't have much in common with The Gabba of old.

old mate just doesn't want to drive his car 3km down the road to another school

 

[BRAB]

East Brisbane State School has just over 300 students enrolled. Can’t believe EQ didn’t just shut it down and use the excess funds to hire another 10 PBL experts at head office.

 

[SizeMatters]

My worry is the longer it takes to make a decision the more likely it is Carrara.

To have the RNA or QSAC ready in time construction process should have already commenced.
No decision has been made so the tender process has not even started.
BHA could start slightly later but January 2024 would be stretching it a bit.

The next Queensland election is due this time next year.
I can imagine the opposition claiming all sorts of costs blowouts for the Olympics.
This is what oppositions do no matter which party is involved.
So, it will be a political decision more so than what's best for the period AFL and Cricket will be without venues during the rebuild.
The opposition could of course go to an election promising to stop the Gabba rebuild altogether.
They would have the Greens support if this was the case.
Contracts for the Gabba would have already been signed by then but Victoria has shown in the past and also recently these things can be cancelled.

I hope it’s Carrara. Selfishly. Having lived interstate for a number of years it would be good to be able to attend every home game for once.

But as a whole prob not ideal. But I feel its the best option financially compared to other suggestions floating around which would require 10s of millions to develop. At least from state government POV.

I think lions games at Carrara will still sell well. Probably get a bigger average attendance than suns games.

 

[Billy ray]

I hope it’s Carrara. Selfishly. Having lived interstate for a number of years it would be good to be able to attend every home game for once.

But as a whole prob not ideal. But I feel its the best option financially compared to other suggestions floating around which would require 10s of millions to develop. At least from state government POV.

I think lions games at Carrara will still sell well. Probably get a bigger average attendance than suns games.

if they did this they may want to become the saturday and sunday arvo timeslot specialists. twilight at latest.
noone wants to get back to brisbane after midnight for night games.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

old mate just doesn't want to drive his car 3km down the road to another school

Yeah how dare I want an area going through rapid population increase to have a school close by. Especially one that has been there for a century and pre-dates the Gabba. The audacity!

 

[M Malice]

Surely we can't play home games in another city(Metricon) for 4 years, it would decimate our Membership base.

 

[M Malice]

Yeah how dare I want an area going through rapid population increase to have a school close by. Especially one that has been there for a century and pre-dates the Gabba. The audacity!

Wasn't the scuttlebutt that they are thinking of moving the school to be part of Coorparoo Secondary College? Only 1.5km away from the Gabba along a major road.

Dutton Park(3.5km), Buranda(1.4km) and Coorparoo(2.9km) State Schools are also reasonably close and could absorb some students as well.

 

[Section 5]

Wasn't the scuttlebutt that they are thinking of moving the school to be part of Coorparoo Secondary College? Only 1.5km away from the Gabba along a major road.

Dutton Park(3.5km), Buranda(1.4km) and Coorparoo(2.9km) State Schools are also reasonably close and could absorb some students as well.

Not scuttlebutt M Malice
Below a few details from the Media Statement. Then link to full statement.

Published Thursday, 03 August, 2023 at 09:58 AM

Minister for Education, Minister for Industrial Relations and Minister for Racing
The Honourable Grace Grace

• Outcome of community consultation announced today
• A new state of the art standalone East Brisbane State School will be built on the nearby Coorparoo Secondary College site
• More than $100 million to be invested, facilities will include a swimming pool
• New school buildings ready by 2026
• East Brisbane State School name remains

The underutilised 11-hectare college site is a short distance away, has extensive green space, safe drop off zones, and capacity for the expected future growth in the EBSS community. The current constrained 1.5-hectare site is bordered by three main roads, has limited access to green space, and limited capacity to expand.

Current Years 4, 5, and 6 students will finish their studies at the existing site and younger students will move to the new site.

The possibility of building the school on other sites was raised during consultation. However, alternative sites were either too small, would not be ready in time for 2026, or would require compulsory acquisition of multiple local homes and businesses – something that is only possible as a last resort and when no other suitable site is available.

Brand new home for East Brisbane State School

 

[M Malice]

Not scuttlebutt M Malice
Below a few details from the Media Statement. Then link to full statement.

Published Thursday, 03 August, 2023 at 09:58 AM

Minister for Education, Minister for Industrial Relations and Minister for Racing
The Honourable Grace Grace

• Outcome of community consultation announced today
• A new state of the art standalone East Brisbane State School will be built on the nearby Coorparoo Secondary College site
• More than $100 million to be invested, facilities will include a swimming pool
• New school buildings ready by 2026
• East Brisbane State School name remains

The underutilised 11-hectare college site is a short distance away, has extensive green space, safe drop off zones, and capacity for the expected future growth in the EBSS community. The current constrained 1.5-hectare site is bordered by three main roads, has limited access to green space, and limited capacity to expand.

Current Years 4, 5, and 6 students will finish their studies at the existing site and younger students will move to the new site.

The possibility of building the school on other sites was raised during consultation. However, alternative sites were either too small, would not be ready in time for 2026, or would require compulsory acquisition of multiple local homes and businesses – something that is only possible as a last resort and when no other suitable site is available.

Brand new home for East Brisbane State School

Makes perfect sense, bigger and better, also no room for expansion on the current site.

 

[Section 5]

An interesting article on what happened years ago during Australias last Olympics.

Who will grab a piece of the Gabba? History fuels hopes for some Olympic recycling

Eighteen years after it was completed, the Gabba will be rebuilt. Last time that happened, an entire stand was transported almost 1400 kilometres north.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

.........................

Engineers are working out how to demolish the Gabba again — after fewer than 20 years’ service to Queensland sports fans.

But the end might not necessarily be the end. There are hopes parts of the stadium will resurface at other venues across the state.

After all, there’s precedent.

Last time the Gabba was demolished for an Olympic rebuild, one of its old grandstands ended up almost 1400 kilometres away in Cairns.

The deal was done and the stand headed north on the back of a fleet of semi-trailers. About “20 or 30” of them, as Bibby recalled.

What happened next was akin to putting together a giant Meccano set.

The former Gabba grandstand at Cazalys Stadium in Cairns.

 

[MSB ROYS]

The hill at the Gabba was the best place to watch and have a few drinks!

 

[dlanod]

An interesting article on what happened years ago during Australias last Olympics.

Who will grab a piece of the Gabba? History fuels hopes for some Olympic recycling

Eighteen years after it was completed, the Gabba will be rebuilt. Last time that happened, an entire stand was transported almost 1400 kilometres north.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

.........................

Engineers are working out how to demolish the Gabba again — after fewer than 20 years’ service to Queensland sports fans.

But the end might not necessarily be the end. There are hopes parts of the stadium will resurface at other venues across the state.

After all, there’s precedent.

Last time the Gabba was demolished for an Olympic rebuild, one of its old grandstands ended up almost 1400 kilometres away in Cairns.

The deal was done and the stand headed north on the back of a fleet of semi-trailers. About “20 or 30” of them, as Bibby recalled.

What happened next was akin to putting together a giant Meccano set.

The former Gabba grandstand at Cazalys Stadium in Cairns.

Watched the Lions from that stand. The Aussie cricket team too.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

That stand was only in place at the Gabba for a few years. They moved us from the stand that was demolished into it. It was ok, nothing special, obviously a temporary solution at the time

 

[Warwick]

The hill at the Gabba was the best place to watch and have a few drinks!

That’s gonna take a few trucks to relocate elsewhere.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Wasn't the scuttlebutt that they are thinking of moving the school to be part of Coorparoo Secondary College? Only 1.5km away from the Gabba along a major road.

Dutton Park(3.5km), Buranda(1.4km) and Coorparoo(2.9km) State Schools are also reasonably close and could absorb some students as well.

None of them are close. Coorparoo is a contingency plan. It isn't ideal for a primary school.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

None of them are close. Coorparoo is a contingency plan. It isn't ideal for a primary school.

Is being on a site bounded by 3 busy roads ideal for a primary school? I don't think you could pick a worse spot.

But why not get the government to simply buy up some property nearby? Sounds easy.

 

[Dalions]

Is being on a site bounded by 3 busy roads ideal for a primary school? I don't think you could pick a worse spot.

But why not get the government to simply by up some property nearby? Sounds easy.

You mean like where it currently is?

 

[Section 5]

Is being on a site bounded by 3 busy roads ideal for a primary school? I don't think you could pick a worse spot.

But why not get the government to simply by up some property nearby? Sounds easy.

You forgot the Australian National Hotel with 40 poker machines across the road.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

You mean like where it currently is?

Knda ( exactly) what I was getting at.

 

[lionraven]

I walked past that school last week. I would definitely pull my kids out of such a school and get them tested for heavy metals poisoning given the roads and industrial sites right next to it.