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I thought MVO has already been pegged to host equestrian events. Don't know if we'd be keen to give cricket a foothold on MVO given cricket's truculence in dealings over the Gabba wicket
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Not so educated on this living outside of the QLD political zone, but with MVO having a capacity of 10,000. What are the possible improvements we could see if they are to move ahead with MVO?
Will be interesting to see what this does for member numbers. I’m from Melbourne so don’t know Brisbane well, there seems to me a lot more cons than pros for all of the possible locations. Depending on the final location, regardless of our on field performance I can see a lot of members dropping off, particularly those who have only joined since we became relevant again. Thankfully we aren’t irrelevant like we were a decade or so ago, dire situation in the making if we were.
Then there’s the players. No doubt some will be worse off in terms of distance/travel.
Then there’s the players. No doubt some will be worse off in terms of distance/travel.
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My take on the announcement by the Afl and the length of time this is taking - the state government have a preference but the Afl don't like it and are trying to change it.
I think the state will go with Brighton arena, but Afl want the central show ground.
I think the state will go with Brighton arena, but Afl want the central show ground.
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I reckon a sweetner to get what afl prefers would be for afl to offer another grand final post olympics when next rebuild of mcg occurs.
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i like the idea
the mcc and vic government would never let it happen though
mcg will host even when a stand is being rebuilt
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My worry is the longer it takes to make a decision the more likely it is Carrara.
To have the RNA or QSAC ready in time construction process should have already commenced.
No decision has been made so the tender process has not even started.
BHA could start slightly later but January 2024 would be stretching it a bit.
The next Queensland election is due this time next year.
I can imagine the opposition claiming all sorts of costs blowouts for the Olympics.
This is what oppositions do no matter which party is involved.
So, it will be a political decision more so than what's best for the period AFL and Cricket will be without venues during the rebuild.
The opposition could of course go to an election promising to stop the Gabba rebuild altogether.
They would have the Greens support if this was the case.
Contracts for the Gabba would have already been signed by then but Victoria has shown in the past and also recently these things can be cancelled.
To have the RNA or QSAC ready in time construction process should have already commenced.
No decision has been made so the tender process has not even started.
BHA could start slightly later but January 2024 would be stretching it a bit.
The next Queensland election is due this time next year.
I can imagine the opposition claiming all sorts of costs blowouts for the Olympics.
This is what oppositions do no matter which party is involved.
So, it will be a political decision more so than what's best for the period AFL and Cricket will be without venues during the rebuild.
The opposition could of course go to an election promising to stop the Gabba rebuild altogether.
They would have the Greens support if this was the case.
Contracts for the Gabba would have already been signed by then but Victoria has shown in the past and also recently these things can be cancelled.
Is Brighton Homes Area still being used for the Olympics? I remember them saying it would host the Modern Pentathlon and they would have to increase the capacity to twenty thousand.
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If they want to get as many bums on seats as they can and remain in the Brisbane area then maybe QSAC is a better option.
The drafted plans showed it holding around the 35k mark
Might be worth going on holiday during the olympics!
if the state is holding out for anything probably QSAC - the plans got FOI'd in the brissie times a little while back (and they own the venue so....). or the RNA are being difficult about it.
don't know why QSAC cause getting to and from would be god awful - dad still talks about the time it took getting out of the carpark after seeing U2 there in 2006!
RNA showgrounds would be a million times better for access - sure the capacity would be smaller but probably no worse than the Sydney Showgrounds.
if the state is holding out for anything probably QSAC - the plans got FOI'd in the brissie times a little while back (and they own the venue so....). or the RNA are being difficult about it.
don't know why QSAC cause getting to and from would be god awful - dad still talks about the time it took getting out of the carpark after seeing U2 there in 2006!
RNA showgrounds would be a million times better for access - sure the capacity would be smaller but probably no worse than the Sydney Showgrounds.
It will be all about money. The redevelopment of the RNA is the best option for Transport by a country mile. Easy access for Buses and Trains. The State Govt have all ready blown the budget on the Gabba rebuild. No doubt the RNA are holding out for some compensation for disruption and the State want the easy option of Springfield to save money. Just another poorly conceived and planned stuff up.
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I doubt the RNA are doing that.
If the RNA gets the nod, they get an $80 million (estimate by the Courier Mail) asset boost on land the RNA own.
It would be a huge win for the RNA on top of whatever money is put into upgrading the site for equestrian events.
Similar situation but way less $ involved if BHA gets the approval.
Until it is officially announced i think it could still be any of the 4 original options even though the club has indicated it is down to BHA or the RNA.
Yes they get the much needed upgrade but they face disruption of at least 2 Ekkas. They would run with the ambit claim including compensation but settle for the upgrade most likely. I just hope it happens because we are looking at a membership catastrophe otherwise. I am thinking that a 25k Stadium could be made to work with an interim membership model whereby you sign up for a base fee and go into a purchase option as Priority One members before public sales for games.Maybe a ballot system for games. Members would get to possibly 5 or 6 games. Whatever happens the Club Administratiors are going to have to get creative.
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Not sure there is enough space at RNA for 25k. Perhaps a 20k RNA for H & A games with finals @ Carrara. That way Ekka can go ahead without disruption late August.
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Here's a thought I had: what if they moved the Ekka grounds next to the Brisbane Entertainment Centre, and turned the current Ekka grounds into Brisbane Olympic Park? The Olympic Stadium could be built on the land occupied by Bowen Park and the woodchop arena. The current showground stadium becomes the warm up track, the rest of the site becomes other specialist Olympics venues. There's the Ekka train station and two busway stations nearby for transport, and King St and the Valley for nightlife. We could stay at the Gabba all through the Olympics. Then after the games, we move into the Olympic Stadium and the Gabba becomes a community park.
Would it ever happen? No, but it's fun to dream up ideas.
and how much is this genius idea going to cost!? considering you're anti Gabba redevelopment, this idea will be a lot cheaper?
Yeah sure, why don't I just get the detailed cost analysis and site survey I painstakingly prepared for this armchair idea I posted on an internet forum. Do I look like the government to you? But I'd imagine the cost of constructing the stadium would be lower, seeing as the site isn't as constrained as the Gabba and there's less to knock down.
And then there are the benefits outside of the direct cost. We could stay at the existing Gabba, instead of having to spend years at some temporary site with a much lower capacity, probably not even in Brisbane. Money wouldn't have to be spent on increasing the capacity of MVO or the Showground stadium. The school wouldn't need to be knocked down (in fact it could eventually expand to cover the increasing population around Woolloongabba). Raymond Park wouldn't need to be taken over for a running track. And we'd still get a new stadium at the end of the Olympics, well connected to public transport.
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Except the RNA, not the state government, own the Exhibition Grounds outright.
The government can buy it out. Really they should buy it out if we play at the Showground stadium, why should a private asset be upgraded using public money?
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How much you think that might cost to buy them out (assuming that's an easy process which I can guarantee it wouldn't be)? I can hazard a guess and then if you add in the cost of demolishing buildings, dealing with heritage buildings/structures and the cost of actually building a new stadium, it's doubtful you're going to be any better off than the situation we find ourselves in now. Even then you haven't factored in the cost of the RNA building new facilities, which you'd have to either do for them or compensate them for.
Public money will (presumably) be spent on it as it's (a) earmarked to be an Olympic venue; (b) the deal that Qld Cricket and we have with Stadiums Qld will likely have some sort of provision as to inconvenience to long-term tenants; (c) although privately-owned, it does fill a public need and will into the future. It wouldn't surprise me though if here's some dialogue happening with the RNA and/or the IOC about needing to kick in some more money.
I know you're just spit balling, but honestly this is akin to the search for our headquarters by trawling for green space on Google Maps. And it's the same issues we come against now as then - we have a dearth of vacant of suitable land due to geography and poor city planning.
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