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Might be worth going on holiday during the olympics!

My take on the announcement by the Afl and the length of time this is taking - the state government have a preference but the Afl don't like it and are trying to change it.

I think the state will go with Brighton arena, but Afl want the central show ground.

if the state is holding out for anything probably QSAC - the plans got FOI'd in the brissie times a little while back (and they own the venue so....). or the RNA are being difficult about it.

don't know why QSAC cause getting to and from would be god awful - dad still talks about the time it took getting out of the carpark after seeing U2 there in 2006!

RNA showgrounds would be a million times better for access - sure the capacity would be smaller but probably no worse than the Sydney Showgrounds.
 
Might be worth going on holiday during the olympics!



if the state is holding out for anything probably QSAC - the plans got FOI'd in the brissie times a little while back (and they own the venue so....). or the RNA are being difficult about it.

don't know why QSAC cause getting to and from would be god awful - dad still talks about the time it took getting out of the carpark after seeing U2 there in 2006!

RNA showgrounds would be a million times better for access - sure the capacity would be smaller but probably no worse than the Sydney Showgrounds.
It will be all about money. The redevelopment of the RNA is the best option for Transport by a country mile. Easy access for Buses and Trains. The State Govt have all ready blown the budget on the Gabba rebuild. No doubt the RNA are holding out for some compensation for disruption and the State want the easy option of Springfield to save money. Just another poorly conceived and planned stuff up.

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It will be all about money. The redevelopment of the RNA is the best option for Transport by a country mile. Easy access for Buses and Trains. The State Govt have all ready blown the budget on the Gabba rebuild. No doubt the RNA are holding out for some compensation for disruption and the State want the easy option of Springfield to save money. Just another poorly conceived and planned stuff up.

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I doubt the RNA are doing that.
If the RNA gets the nod, they get an $80 million (estimate by the Courier Mail) asset boost on land the RNA own.
It would be a huge win for the RNA on top of whatever money is put into upgrading the site for equestrian events.
Similar situation but way less $ involved if BHA gets the approval.

Until it is officially announced i think it could still be any of the 4 original options even though the club has indicated it is down to BHA or the RNA.
 

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I doubt the RNA are doing that.
If the RNA gets the nod, they get an $80 million (estimate by the Courier Mail) asset boost on land the RNA own.
It would be a huge win for the RNA on top of whatever money is put into upgrading the site for equestrian events.
Similar situation but way less $ involved if BHA gets the approval.

Until it is officially announced i think it could still be any of the 4 original options even though the club has indicated it is down to BHA or the RNA.
Yes they get the much needed upgrade but they face disruption of at least 2 Ekkas. They would run with the ambit claim including compensation but settle for the upgrade most likely. I just hope it happens because we are looking at a membership catastrophe otherwise. I am thinking that a 25k Stadium could be made to work with an interim membership model whereby you sign up for a base fee and go into a purchase option as Priority One members before public sales for games.Maybe a ballot system for games. Members would get to possibly 5 or 6 games. Whatever happens the Club Administratiors are going to have to get creative.

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Yes they get the much needed upgrade but they face disruption of at least 2 Ekkas. They would run with the ambit claim including compensation but settle for the upgrade most likely. I just hope it happens because we are looking at a membership catastrophe otherwise. I am thinking that a 25k Stadium could be made to work with an interim membership model whereby you sign up for a base fee and go into a purchase option as Priority One members before public sales for games.Maybe a ballot system for games. Members would get to possibly 5 or 6 games. Whatever happens the Club Administratiors are going to have to get creative.

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Not sure there is enough space at RNA for 25k. Perhaps a 20k RNA for H & A games with finals @ Carrara. That way Ekka can go ahead without disruption late August.
 
Secondly the senate report is an actual joke, did you read much of it? It’s essentially “we think the stadium shouldn’t be knocked down, they should build a second stadium instead somewhere else”. Doesn’t suggest where, doesn’t consider how much that would cost to firstly demolish land/houses/whatever and build a new stadium; doesn’t go into the fact that this would probably be out of the city somewhere and so would go unused most of the time, the fact that there would likely be no infrastructure nor easy transport wherever this hypothetical new site is while the Gabba is about to become a central hub for both transport and nightlife, etc etc.
Here's a thought I had: what if they moved the Ekka grounds next to the Brisbane Entertainment Centre, and turned the current Ekka grounds into Brisbane Olympic Park? The Olympic Stadium could be built on the land occupied by Bowen Park and the woodchop arena. The current showground stadium becomes the warm up track, the rest of the site becomes other specialist Olympics venues. There's the Ekka train station and two busway stations nearby for transport, and King St and the Valley for nightlife. We could stay at the Gabba all through the Olympics. Then after the games, we move into the Olympic Stadium and the Gabba becomes a community park.

Would it ever happen? No, but it's fun to dream up ideas.
 
Here's a thought I had: what if they moved the Ekka grounds next to the Brisbane Entertainment Centre, and turned the current Ekka grounds into Brisbane Olympic Park? The Olympic Stadium could be built on the land occupied by Bowen Park and the woodchop arena. The current showground stadium becomes the warm up track, the rest of the site becomes other specialist Olympics venues. There's the Ekka train station and two busway stations nearby for transport, and King St and the Valley for nightlife. We could stay at the Gabba all through the Olympics. Then after the games, we move into the Olympic Stadium and the Gabba becomes a community park.

Would it ever happen? No, but it's fun to dream up ideas.
and how much is this genius idea going to cost!? considering you're anti Gabba redevelopment, this idea will be a lot cheaper?
 
and how much is this genius idea going to cost!? considering you're anti Gabba redevelopment, this idea will be a lot cheaper?
Yeah sure, why don't I just get the detailed cost analysis and site survey I painstakingly prepared for this armchair idea I posted on an internet forum. Do I look like the government to you? But I'd imagine the cost of constructing the stadium would be lower, seeing as the site isn't as constrained as the Gabba and there's less to knock down.

And then there are the benefits outside of the direct cost. We could stay at the existing Gabba, instead of having to spend years at some temporary site with a much lower capacity, probably not even in Brisbane. Money wouldn't have to be spent on increasing the capacity of MVO or the Showground stadium. The school wouldn't need to be knocked down (in fact it could eventually expand to cover the increasing population around Woolloongabba). Raymond Park wouldn't need to be taken over for a running track. And we'd still get a new stadium at the end of the Olympics, well connected to public transport.
 

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The government can buy it out. Really they should buy it out if we play at the Showground stadium, why should a private asset be upgraded using public money?

How much you think that might cost to buy them out (assuming that's an easy process which I can guarantee it wouldn't be)? I can hazard a guess and then if you add in the cost of demolishing buildings, dealing with heritage buildings/structures and the cost of actually building a new stadium, it's doubtful you're going to be any better off than the situation we find ourselves in now. Even then you haven't factored in the cost of the RNA building new facilities, which you'd have to either do for them or compensate them for.

Public money will (presumably) be spent on it as it's (a) earmarked to be an Olympic venue; (b) the deal that Qld Cricket and we have with Stadiums Qld will likely have some sort of provision as to inconvenience to long-term tenants; (c) although privately-owned, it does fill a public need and will into the future. It wouldn't surprise me though if here's some dialogue happening with the RNA and/or the IOC about needing to kick in some more money.

I know you're just spit balling, but honestly this is akin to the search for our headquarters by trawling for green space on Google Maps. And it's the same issues we come against now as then - we have a dearth of vacant of suitable land due to geography and poor city planning.
 
How much you think that might cost to buy them out (assuming that's an easy process which I can guarantee it wouldn't be)?
I don't know, but it's probably worth it. A stadium used dozens of times a year is a far better use of land than showgrounds that have one major event per year. If that costs a chunk of money, so be it.

I can hazard a guess and then if you add in the cost of demolishing buildings, dealing with heritage buildings/structures and the cost of actually building a new stadium, it's doubtful you're going to be any better off than the situation we find ourselves in now.
By what measure? Pure cost? Because there are benefits outside of that. For example, the Lions not having to move for 4-5 years and still getting a new stadium at the end of the day.

Even then you haven't factored in the cost of the RNA building new facilities, which you'd have to either do for them or compensate them for.
So be it. The cost of land is lower at Boondall, there's still railway access and ample parking. I'd rather move the RNA than move a school.

Public money will (presumably) be spent on it as it's (a) earmarked to be an Olympic venue; (b) the deal that Qld Cricket and we have with Stadiums Qld will likely have some sort of provision as to inconvenience to long-term tenants; (c) although privately-owned, it does fill a public need and will into the future. It wouldn't surprise me though if here's some dialogue happening with the RNA and/or the IOC about needing to kick in some more money.
Still a bad use of public money given its improving someone else's asset.

I know you're just spit balling, but honestly this is akin to the search for our headquarters by trawling for green space on Google Maps.
So what?
 
I don't know, but it's probably worth it. A stadium used dozens of times a year is a far better use of land than showgrounds that have one major event per year. If that costs a chunk of money, so be it.

See below, but they hold more at the showgrounds than just the Ekka.

By what measure? Pure cost? Because there are benefits outside of that. For example, the Lions not having to move for 4-5 years and still getting a new stadium at the end of the day.

So you're saying bugger the cost for one use, but be mindful of it for others?

So be it. The cost of land is lower at Boondall, there's still railway access and ample parking. I'd rather move the RNA than move a school.

When's the last time you went to anything at Boondall? Same issue as Springfield - one rail line out effectively. And Carrara-like issues with the carpark I know, I grew up in that area.

And moving a school effects maybe 1000 people. How many people attend the Ekka, not to mention the many music and cultural festivals that are held at the showgrounds?

Still a bad use of public money given its improving someone else's asset.

Depends how much it costs. Government kicked in money for Springfield, but they didn't/don't make much out of it.


Mate, you do you. I'll let you carry on if you want. It's just howling at the moon though. You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about the school being moved. Not sure why that is.

I'd much prefer not having to move. And I'd still prefer a new stadium at Albion Park, but I understand not having to maintain two stadium, one brand new and one a bit tired. I also understand the flood risk to that site. I think you could do what they did in Perth and build a new one and just use that going forward. The Gabba, apart from the location, doesn't have much in common with The Gabba of old.
 

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See below, but they hold more at the showgrounds than just the Ekka.



So you're saying bugger the cost for one use, but be mindful of it for others?



When's the last time you went to anything at Boondall? Same issue as Springfield - one rail line out effectively. And Carrara-like issues with the carpark I know, I grew up in that area.

And moving a school effects maybe 1000 people. How many people attend the Ekka, not to mention the many music and cultural festivals that are held at the showgrounds?



Depends how much it costs. Government kicked in money for Springfield, but they didn't/don't make much out of it.



Mate, you do you. I'll let you carry on if you want. It's just howling at the moon though. You've clearly got a bee in your bonnet about the school being moved. Not sure why that is.

I'd much prefer not having to move. And I'd still prefer a new stadium at Albion Park, but I understand not having to maintain two stadium, one brand new and one a bit tired. I also understand the flood risk to that site. I think you could do what they did in Perth and build a new one and just use that going forward. The Gabba, apart from the location, doesn't have much in common with The Gabba of old.
old mate just doesn't want to drive his car 3km down the road to another school
 
East Brisbane State School has just over 300 students enrolled. Can’t believe EQ didn’t just shut it down and use the excess funds to hire another 10 PBL experts at head office.
 
My worry is the longer it takes to make a decision the more likely it is Carrara.

To have the RNA or QSAC ready in time construction process should have already commenced.
No decision has been made so the tender process has not even started.
BHA could start slightly later but January 2024 would be stretching it a bit.

The next Queensland election is due this time next year.
I can imagine the opposition claiming all sorts of costs blowouts for the Olympics.
This is what oppositions do no matter which party is involved.
So, it will be a political decision more so than what's best for the period AFL and Cricket will be without venues during the rebuild.
The opposition could of course go to an election promising to stop the Gabba rebuild altogether.
They would have the Greens support if this was the case.
Contracts for the Gabba would have already been signed by then but Victoria has shown in the past and also recently these things can be cancelled.
I hope it’s Carrara. Selfishly. Having lived interstate for a number of years it would be good to be able to attend every home game for once.

But as a whole prob not ideal. But I feel its the best option financially compared to other suggestions floating around which would require 10s of millions to develop. At least from state government POV.

I think lions games at Carrara will still sell well. Probably get a bigger average attendance than suns games.
 
I hope it’s Carrara. Selfishly. Having lived interstate for a number of years it would be good to be able to attend every home game for once.

But as a whole prob not ideal. But I feel its the best option financially compared to other suggestions floating around which would require 10s of millions to develop. At least from state government POV.

I think lions games at Carrara will still sell well. Probably get a bigger average attendance than suns games.
if they did this they may want to become the saturday and sunday arvo timeslot specialists. twilight at latest.
noone wants to get back to brisbane after midnight for night games.
 

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