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[Warwick]

I’m just wondering with the capacity continually reported as 42k, does that consider the absolutely maximum number of people they can fit in while sacrificing replay screens, walkways, corporate areas, bars etc?

So for instance, if they got rid of one of the screens, the verandah thing, some of the corporate boxes, and resigned some of the seating, they would easily get it back to 42k. However the access and amenities would be even worse than they are now.

Hell, you could probably squeeze in 100 thousand if you got rid of all seating, bars, bathrooms, aisles and walkways, and just had standing room only - Roman-style.

 

[Dalions]

Hell, you could probably squeeze in 100 thousand if you got rid of all seating, bars, bathrooms, aisles and walkways, and just had standing room only - Roman-style.

Would be a good way to save some money on demolition of the Gabba.
Just put 100k soccer fans in there and jump up and down in unison like they do at times.

That will bring it down in a flash.

 

[Mr Ripper]

I’m just wondering with the capacity continually reported as 42k, does that consider the absolutely maximum number of people they can fit in while sacrificing replay screens, walkways, corporate areas, bars etc?

So for instance, if they got rid of one of the screens, the verandah thing, some of the corporate boxes, and resigned some of the seating, they would easily get it back to 42k. However the access and amenities would be even worse than they are now.

Hell, you could probably squeeze in 100 thousand if you got rid of all seating, bars, bathrooms, aisles and walkways, and just had standing room only - Roman-style.

Yeah, 42 is potential capacity if you remove the eastern end scoreboard, replace the verandah with regulation seats, utilise the seating behind the benches on the Stanley St side etc.

 

[Dalions]

Yeah, 42 is potential capacity if you remove the eastern end scoreboard, replace the verandah with regulation seats, utilise the seating behind the benches on the Stanley St side etc.

I reckon you would have to remove both scoreboards as well to get back to 42k.

 

[Section 5]

Who knows if The Gabba was ever a 42k stadium.
Going on the highest attendances the capacity most likely 40k before any changes made.
5 of the top 6 record crowds were in 2006 all cricket.
Since 2020 the capacity has been 36k
So, the Richmond 2019 game attendance of 37,478 will stay the biggest AFL game until the new Gabba is built.

 

[Walshawk]

Who knows if The Gabba was ever a 42k stadium.
Going on the highest attendances the capacity most likely 40k before any changes made.
5 of the top 6 record crowds were in 2006 all cricket.
Since 2020 the capacity has been 36k
So, the Richmond 2019 game attendance of 37,478 will stay the biggest AFL game until the new Gabba is built.

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If it is a brand new stadium, those records will stand forever as they won’t carry over.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Who knows if The Gabba was ever a 42k stadium.
Going on the highest attendances the capacity most likely 40k before any changes made.
5 of the top 6 record crowds were in 2006 all cricket.
Since 2020 the capacity has been 36k
So, the Richmond 2019 game attendance of 37,478 will stay the biggest AFL game until the new Gabba is built.

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My first thought looking at that is thinking just how far cricket has fallen over the last twenty years. To sell out four days of a test, an ODI, and a T20 in 2006 is just incredible.

 

[dlanod]

If it is a brand new stadium, those records will stand forever as they won’t carry over.

Depends on the recorder, but that site does at least split them out.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

My first thought looking at that is thinking just how far cricket has fallen over the last twenty years. To sell out four days of a test, an ODI, and a T20 in 2006 is just incredible.

That was the Ashes series being the very one after we lost the series in England .
Cricket prior to that was so predictable you could put your house on Australia. So Boring. I just had a look and England prior to winning the Ashes in 2005 had lost 8 consecutive series, so it was huge.
Even the guys like Ian Chappell were wrapped in this new era of Aussies finally having a competative National team to play against.
Place was buzzing.
So no wonder those records were made.
probably last series of tests I've actually been interested in and watched.
If you ask me it's all about the gambling dollar now.
Bah Humbug.

 

[GC2015]

Slightly off topic but what do you guys think? Will Brisbane people travel down the M1 for a BBL Final/Grand Final? Could be a good case study for the Olympic scenario.

Gold Coast is in line to host its first ever Big Bash final with KFC BBL|13 pace setters Brisbane Heat opting for Heritage Bank Stadium as their preferred venue should they earn finals hosting rights this season.

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If the Heat qualify however, they will host all their finals on the Gold Coast with the Gabba out of action in the week leading up to the second Test from January 25-29.

Should the Heat – who are currently undefeated and on top of the BBL|13 standings after five matches – qualify to host, it will be the first BBL finals matches played at Heritage Bank Stadium.

BBL finals venues confirmed amid Test series clash | cricket.com.au

The availability of Adelaide Oval and the Gabba due to the Australia-West Indies Test series will…

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[Billy ray]

Slightly off topic but what do you guys think? Will Brisbane people travel down the M1 for a BBL Final/Grand Final? Could be a good case study for the Olympic scenario.

BBL finals venues confirmed amid Test series clash | cricket.com.au

The availability of Adelaide Oval and the Gabba due to the Australia-West Indies Test series will…

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Maybe if saturday or sunday but weeknight including friday? Prob not

 

[Teen Wolf]

It's not a good case study at all. A BBL final at Carrara won't need Brisbanites to travel because the Gold Coast locals will turn up to support their de facto team, which is obviously completely different to the AFL dynamic.

 

[BRAB]

Slightly off topic but what do you guys think? Will Brisbane people travel down the M1 for a BBL Final/Grand Final? Could be a good case study for the Olympic scenario.

BBL finals venues confirmed amid Test series clash | cricket.com.au

The availability of Adelaide Oval and the Gabba due to the Australia-West Indies Test series will…

www.cricket.com.au

I think if it sells out a significant portion of the crowd would be Brisbane based Heat fans so could potentially be a good case study.

Obviously it’s not going to be exactly the same but still interesting.

 

[weevil]

Slightly off topic but what do you guys think? Will Brisbane people travel down the M1 for a BBL Final/Grand Final? Could be a good case study for the Olympic scenario.

BBL finals venues confirmed amid Test series clash | cricket.com.au

The availability of Adelaide Oval and the Gabba due to the Australia-West Indies Test series will…

www.cricket.com.au

Think there is a huge difference between a one-off final and grinding out four full years.

 

[Jirik13]

Think there is a huge difference between a one-off final and grinding out four full years.

For sure it would be far from ideal but think about amazing stadium you will have after Olympics.

FWIW, if you end up at Carrara, fans especially on South side of Brisbane will have no excuse to not attend. I live in Fig Tree Pocket in West Brisbane. It is exactly 83 km through CBD to parking spot 10 min walk from stadium and it takes me usually under 1 hour drive on weekends.

As interest, when I went to Gabba a couple of times from home by public transport it took me much longer (walk, bus, train, bus one way)

You will be fine.

 

[Section 5]

I have wondered for some time now about the fate of the building at 411 Vulture Street being "Gabba Towers". Image 1 below.
Previously when announcements were made about The Gabba rebuild, sometimes a building is in the artist images sometimes not.

A building again appears in the latest artist impression (Nov 2023) image 3. However, it does not look like the existing building.
After seeing the new "reference design" (Nov 2023) image 2 i am now fairly confident this large building will be demolished
Maybe the plan is to build a tower of some sort later on. Possibly on the corner of Main and Vulture streets.
Maybe a vertical primary school. Just kidding.
Although a vertical secondary school across the road in that area supplied by rail and bus would not be too crazy.

Not sure who owns this building, but the Queensland Government would have to purchase it and compensate business that have leases outside the deconstruction dates.
All up it would be a fair amount of money.
Pulling this building down would form part of the large rebuild costs.

Image 1 (Gabba Towers)



Image 2 (Qld. Government Reference design Nov 2023)


Image 3 (Government Media Release Image Nov 2023)

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I have wondered for some time now about the fate of the building at 411 Vulture Street being "Gabba Towers".

Not sure who owns this building, but the Queensland Government would have to purchase it and compensate business that have leases outside the deconstruction dates.
All up it would be a fair amount of money.
Pulling this building down would form part of the large rebuild costs.

99% sure it is a State Government building. Pretty sure it was purchased from Suncorp 30 years ago as part of the previous redevelopment. I know there were govt departments and some NFP's in there 5 years ago.

 

[Section 5]

99% sure it is a State Government building. Pretty sure it was purchased from Suncorp 30 years ago as part of the previous redevelopment. I know there were govt departments and some NFP's in there 5 years ago.

If the Qld. Gov. own the building that would smooth the way and help with the costs.
Although they would still have to write down the loss asset wise.

 

[Warwick]

So complete radio silence here. Not a chance we’ll have an alternate venue ready in time. Metricon it is.

 

[scoman]

Would buses from various places in Brisbane be an idea? Leaving from Carindale, Loganholme, Chermside etc.... ??

 

[Section 5]

Would buses from various places in Brisbane be an idea? Leaving from Carindale, Loganholme, Chermside etc.... ??

scoman : More information. Which venue are these buses going to?

If it is Carrara then the answer is no.

 

[scoman]

scoman : More information. Which venue are these buses going to?

If it is Carrara then the answer is no.

Yeah it was Carrara. Probs would need to be coaches for that distance.

 

[Section 5]

Yeah it was Carrara. Probs would need to be coaches for that distance.

Somewhere in this thread i had links and information on what is called "game day costs".
Game day costs are paid by the ground hirer that being the Lions for The Gabba and Carrara should we go there.
Game day costs are eventually factored into your membership costs. Also, ticket prices for everyone else attending the games.
Public transport costs within game day costs amount to just over 30% for the Gabba.

Transport % costs are higher outside capital cities. So, Carrara for the Suns (Lions if we go) could be a higher % figure.
To counter that the Lions most likely don't need the usual number of buses and trains because of the difference in capacity of the two grounds.
Also, Brisbane is a large city with buses coming from outer arears like Chermside and Carindale that add to that % transport costs.

Suns would pay an undisclosed amount to Qld. Rail so i expect the Lions would be able to get the same deal with them.
The same would apply for using the Gold Coast buses.

So, if we did go to Carrara i doubt, we would play any more than the Suns and maybe a similar or less amount than The Gabba.
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The above is the long version to why i said no to buses from Carindale, Chermside etc.
Paying for those buses would be expensive. Also, not sure if BCC buses are allowed to go into another Councils area.

If the club used coaches that would add to someones costs either the member or the club.
Buses/ coaches are not economical over longer distances even from say the social club at Springwood.

Buses become economical and move more people quicker with short turnarounds, like Nerang station to and from Carrara.

 

[briztoon]

Somewhere in this thread i had links and information on what is called "game day costs".
Game day costs are paid by the ground hirer that being the Lions for The Gabba and Carrara should we go there.
Game day costs are eventually factored into your membership costs. Also, ticket prices for everyone else attending the games.
Public transport costs within game day costs amount to just over 30% for the Gabba.

Transport % costs are higher outside capital cities. So, Carrara for the Suns (Lions if we go) could be a higher % figure.
To counter that the Lions most likely don't need the usual number of buses and trains because of the difference in capacity of the two grounds.
Also, Brisbane is a large city with buses coming from outer arears like Chermside and Carindale that add to that % transport costs.

Suns would pay an undisclosed amount to Qld. Rail so i expect the Lions would be able to get the same deal with them.
The same would apply for using the Gold Coast buses.

So, if we did go to Carrara i doubt, we would play any more than the Suns and maybe a similar or less amount than The Gabba.
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The above is the long version to why i said no to buses from Carindale, Chermside etc.
Paying for those buses would be expensive. Also, not sure if BCC buses are allowed to go into another Councils area.

If the club used coaches that would add to someones costs either the member or the club.
Buses/ coaches are not economical over longer distances even from say the social club at Springwood.

Buses become economical and move more people quicker with short turnarounds, like Nerang station to and from Carrara.

Last time I looked, Chermside & Carindale are NOT outer arears of Brisbane. They both within a 10km radius of the city.

As for buses from Carindale to the Gabba, they're probably faster than almost every bus from the North side, as the Gabba is on the South Side, you know the same side of town as Carindale, and it's probably 7 km from Carindale (according to my Garmin, I ride it enough) to the Gabba straight down Old Cleveland road to Logan road to the Gabba.

Coaches from Carindale and Garden City to the GC would be pretty fast, as both those hubs are right next to the M1 and Gateway respectively. Probably faster than rail, as they aren't stopping once they leave their origin point.

 

[Section 5]

Last time I looked, Chermside & Carindale are NOT outer arears of Brisbane. They both within a 10km radius of the city.

As for buses from Carindale to the Gabba, they're probably faster than almost every bus from the North side, as the Gabba is on the South Side, you know the same side of town as Carindale, and it's probably 7 km from Carindale (according to my Garmin, I ride it enough) to the Gabba straight down Old Cleveland road to Logan road to the Gabba.

Coaches from Carindale and Garden City to the GC would be pretty fast, as both those hubs are right next to the M1 and Gateway respectively. Probably faster than rail, as they aren't stopping once they leave their origin point.

briztoon, the point of my post was it is far more economical to run buses short distances. Also was a reply to Coach transport.

Nerang to Carrara and return you may be able to use at a wild guess 12 or so buses.
They just keep doing the loop of 2km each way, 2 hours before and 1 hour after the game.
They also run shuttle buses from Broadbeach South Station near Pacific Fair Shopping Centre being an 8 km journey.
That route may require more buses especially after the game.
They only have these two start/return points. Also similar to Brisbane they have free transport on all Surfside Buses and Light Rail.

The Gabba similarly run City only shuttle buses that also do the loop.
This is way more economical than putting on special buses that go to and from Chermside and Carindale.
But the Lions and Broncos know this has to be done to get the crowds to and from the games in a large city with both venues just outside the CBD. So, they pay whatever the costs are and pass those costs on.

Coaches are run by private companies and don't have anywhere near the number of buses or drivers compared to council buses.
No doubt coaches would be faster than rail from Carindale & Garden City as you mentioned.
But people live all over Brisbane and i can't see the Lions choosing a couple of southside spots to run free buses to Carrara.
So, people would have to pay extra to go by coach from any chosen Brisbane location in my opinion.
If there was demand for paid coaches, you could do it but i don't think there would be.
However, i recon a couple of paid coaches could go from Lions Springwood social club though.

If you think coaches are the way to go transport wise to Carrara by all means, please make a case to justify that choice.
If you are only thinking of a small number say 4 coaches each game that's a little different. Someone would still have to pay though.

A quick google search on Brisbane based coaches, they carry a capacity of between 50-60 people.