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[briztoon]

briztoon, the point of my post was it is far more economical to run buses short distances. Also was a reply to Coach transport.

Nerang to Carrara and return you may be able to use at a wild guess 12 or so buses.
They just keep doing the loop of 2km each way, 2 hours before and 1 hour after the game.
They also run shuttle buses from Broadbeach South Station near Pacific Fair Shopping Centre being an 8 km journey.
That route may require more buses especially after the game.
They only have these two start/return points. Also similar to Brisbane they have free transport on all Surfside Buses and Light Rail.

The Gabba similarly run City only shuttle buses that also do the loop.
This is way more economical than putting on special buses that go to and from Chermside and Carindale.
But the Lions and Broncos know this has to be done to get the crowds to and from the games in a large city with both venues just outside the CBD. So, they pay whatever the costs are and pass those costs on.

Coaches are run by private companies and don't have anywhere near the number of buses or drivers compared to council buses.
No doubt coaches would be faster than rail from Carindale & Garden City as you mentioned.
But people live all over Brisbane and i can't see the Lions choosing a couple of southside spots to run free buses to Carrara.
So, people would have to pay extra to go by coach from any chosen Brisbane location in my opinion.
If there was demand for paid coaches, you could do it but i don't think there would be.
However, i recon a couple of paid coaches could go from Lions Springwood social club though.

If you think coaches are the way to go transport wise to Carrara by all means, please make a case to justify that choice.
If you are only thinking of a small number say 4 coaches each game that's a little different. Someone would still have to pay though.

A quick google search on Brisbane based coaches, they carry a capacity of between 50-60 people.

The main point of my post was questioning your assertion that Carindale and Chermside are outer suburbs.

 

[Tandy]

Would they increase Carrara capacity for the years that the lions would use it if they end up using it.

 

[Section 5]

The main point of my post was questioning your assertion that Carindale and Chermside are outer suburbs.

Yes, you are correct thanks for picking me up on that point. I should have used another word other than "outer suburb".
Carindale is about 11 km from Queen Street and Chermside is also about 11km going on google maps (now) driving fastest route.
They are not close to the CBD but defiantly not an outer suburb.

Well i suppose it may be my age being 71 now.
I lived out Chermside way (Zillmere slightly further out) in the 50's to 80's. It sure felt like an outer suburb then.
The outer tram terminus @ year 1961 was Chermside, Belmont (Carindale), Mt Gravatt & Salisbury

I don't think the BCC local government area has changed much area wise, but people just did not live on the outskirts.
I imagine it was most likely farmland.
Now of course people do, with expanded services and the city growing extremely fast.
Going on the map link below the outer BCC suburbs arguably are.

North: Brighton, Bald Hills.
South: Parkinson, Drewvale, Karawatha
East: Manly, Lota, Ransome, Chandler.
West: Chuwar, Mt Crosby

For those on BF living in other capital cities, the BCC Local Government Area is by far the biggest of the capital cities in area and population in Australia. Also, the largest LGA by population in Australia, but not area.
Budget of $4 billion, has over 9,000 employees and runs a fleet of over 1,200 buses.
Also, a ferry fleet of 25 City Cats (paid transport) & 5 Kity Cats (free hop on hop off)

Brisbane City Council: 1,342 square kilometers.
Sydney Council........: 26 square kilometers
Melbourne Council....: 38 square kilometers
Adelaide Council.......: 16 square kilometers
Perth Council...........: 20 square kilpmeters
Hobart Council.........: 78 square kilometers

For anyone interested, the link below with an interactive map will give people an idea of how big an area the BCC LGA is.

Brisbane City Council Suburbs

Suburb Outlines

www.scribblemaps.com

 

[scoman]

The reason I raised the bus/ coach idea is that when I go to the game, I get frustrated with too many legs on my journey. If I am going to catch public transport, I want to be able to park within 100-200m of the pickup and get dropped at the stadium entrance. I also want that pickup to be in the direction of the stadium. So, for me a coach leaving from Loganholme would work. Unfortunately, I get the point on cost, it's probably not going to be feasible, unless a deal is done at some level.

The other option for me is to drive. If I did, I wouldn't be against a walk of up to 20 minutes or so. What would the options be for parking in that scenario? I parked over the road once for a practice game and it was an absolute nightmare. The council/ whoever was responsible seemed determined to make that option unworkable.

 

[Walshawk]

Would they increase Carrara capacity for the years that the lions would use it if they end up using it.

No chance. Nor will they need to - the consensus here seems to be that a large % of Lions fans won’t travel to Metricon.

 

[Sherrinator]

Yes, you are correct thanks for picking me up on that point. I should have used another word other than "outer suburb".
Carindale is about 11 km from Queen Street and Chermside is also about 11km going on google maps (now) driving fastest route.
They are not close to the CBD but defiantly not an outer suburb.

Well i suppose it may be my age being 71 now.
I lived out Chermside way (Zillmere slightly further out) in the 50's to 80's. It sure felt like an outer suburb then.
The outer tram terminus @ year 1961 was Chermside, Belmont (Carindale), Mt Gravatt & Salisbury

I don't think the BCC local government area has changed much area wise, but people just did not live on the outskirts.
I imagine it was most likely farmland.
Now of course people do, with expanded services and the city growing extremely fast.
Going on the map link below the outer BCC suburbs arguably are.

North: Brighton, Bald Hills.
South: Parkinson, Drewvale, Karawatha
East: Manly, Lota, Ransome, Chandler.
West: Chuwar, Mt Crosby

For those on BF living in other capital cities, the BCC Local Government Area is by far the biggest of the capital cities in area and population in Australia. Also, the largest LGA by population in Australia, but not area.
Budget of $4 billion, has over 9,000 employees and runs a fleet of over 1,200 buses.
Also, a ferry fleet of 25 City Cats (paid transport) & 5 Kity Cats (free hop on hop off)

Brisbane City Council: 1,342 square kilometers.
Sydney Council........: 26 square kilometers
Melbourne Council....: 38 square kilometers
Adelaide Council.......: 16 square kilometers
Perth Council...........: 20 square kilpmeters
Hobart Council.........: 78 square kilometers

For anyone interested, the link below with an interactive map will give people an idea of how big an area the BCC LGA is.

Brisbane City Council Suburbs

Suburb Outlines

www.scribblemaps.com

LGAs mean nothing. It’s the metropolitan area that counts.

 

[Tandy]

No chance. Nor will they need to - the consensus here seems to be that a large % of Lions fans won’t travel to Metricon.

That would be disappointing. Each to their own and everybody's circumstances are different but is it that far to travel to see an AFL game. The club will need all the support they can get during this time. Understand it can be a pain in the back to get to but that's the same everywhere.

 

[Sherrinator]

No chance. Nor will they need to - the consensus here seems to be that a large % of Lions fans won’t travel to Metricon.

We are not selling out Carrara except v the Big 4

 

[Section 5]

The reason I raised the bus/ coach idea is that when I go to the game, I get frustrated with too many legs on my journey. If I am going to catch public transport, I want to be able to park within 100-200m of the pickup and get dropped at the stadium entrance. I also want that pickup to be in the direction of the stadium. So, for me a coach leaving from Loganholme would work. Unfortunately, I get the point on cost, it's probably not going to be feasible, unless a deal is done at some level.

The other option for me is to drive. If I did, I wouldn't be against a walk of up to 20 minutes or so. What would the options be for parking in that scenario? I parked over the road once for a practice game and it was an absolute nightmare. The council/ whoever was responsible seemed determined to make that option unworkable.

From memory your commute is a long one to get to Carrara.
Can i ask how many legs to the journey? The more the longer the trip takes, so driving makes better sense apart from the petrol costs.
The Gold Coast City Council defiantly don't want people parking in streets anywhere near the stadium.
The streets south of Carrara i don't know much about as i want to be north of the ground after the game.
There is one option for a 20-minute walk which i shall try myself this year.

I won't go into the paid parking options.

Pink: A 20-minute flat walk along a well-lit concrete pathway (orange ---) near the corner of Boulton Drive & Nerang Broadbeach road.
Lights on that corner to get out after the game. You would have travelled on the shuttle buses that use Boulton Drive.
People getting buses likely park at the other end closet to bus and rail stations.
If you park at the bus end, add 5 minutes to the walk or get the bus if you end up that close to the bus station.
You can always walk back to the car after the game avoiding the bus queues.

Red: If you can't find a suitable park in Boulton Drive you will have to park in the train station carpark (people do i don't).
Other street parking noted in red. If you end up on that red side catching the bus is best.



Carrara Traffic Area Map.
The blue line is where i used to park on the street but last year that too was included.
That took me about 15-20 minutes' walk. The traffic light on the corner was a bitch to miss.
The brown X - Road/footpath gets dark and is uphill to access streets outside the area so not really a walking option to access streets outside that restricted area.

Pink - the pink that touches Nerang-Broadbeach Road is about a 20-minute flat walk to ground. Boulton Drive. See above.

 

[scoman]

From memory your commute is a long one to get to Carrara.
Can i ask how many legs to the journey? The more the longer the trip takes, so driving makes better sense apart from the petrol costs.
The Gold Coast City Council defiantly don't want people parking in streets anywhere near the stadium.
The streets south of Carrara i don't know much about as i want to be north of the ground after the game.
There is one option for a 20-minute walk which i shall try myself this year.

I won't go into the paid parking options.

Pink: A 20-minute flat walk along a well-lit concrete pathway (orange ---) near the corner of Boulton Drive & Nerang Broadbeach road.
Lights on that corner to get out after the game. You would have travelled on the shuttle buses that use Boulton Drive.
People getting buses likely park at the other end closet to bus and rail stations.
If you park at the bus end, add 5 minutes to the walk or get the bus if you end up that close to the bus station.
You can always walk back to the car after the game avoiding the bus queues.

Red: If you can't find a suitable park in Boulton Drive you will have to park in the train station carpark (people do i don't).
Other street parking noted in red. If you end up on that red side catching the bus is best.

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Carrara Traffic Area Map.
The blue line is where i used to park on the street but last year that to was included.
That took me about 15-20 minutes' walk. The traffic light on the corner was a bitch to miss.
The brown X - Road/footpath gets dark and is uphill to access streets outside the area so not really a walking option to access streets outside that restricted area.

Pink - the pink that touches Nerang-Broadbeach Road is about a 20-minute flat walk to ground. Boulton Drive. See above.

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Thanks for that. What a detailed post

 

[Section 5]

LGAs mean nothing. It’s the metropolitan area that counts.

???

 

[scoman]

Jetski might be the go actually

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Jetski might be the go actually

 

[Section 5]

No chance. Nor will they need to - the consensus here seems to be that a large % of Lions fans won’t travel to Metricon.

At present lots of balls in the air for the Qld Government to deal with before the next election in 9 months.

Because of this, they need to finalize The Gabba issue. That is likely to happen next month.
Then advise Lions, Cricket & BCC to either come to the party for the RNA by a certain date or that project can't continue due to time restraints. I could be wrong, but my opinion is we have already passed that date to finish the proposed construction at the RNA.
The Gabba comes down in January 2026 after the Ashes series, so the RNA needs to be completed by February/ March 2026 at the latest.
Thats only 24 months away from now. How can that possibly be completed in time.

Once that date has passed, the Lions need to confirm they have no alternative but to play at Carrara and deal with the issue.
Cricket also to confirm they can play games at Carrara & Alan Border Field and anywhere else they feel is suitable.
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Walshawk, regarding the increased capacity at Carrara being "No chance".

I disagree as i believe 20/20 Cricket will be added to the Brisbane games now that it is a late inclusion for the 2028 LA games.
In LA the top 6 ranked mens and womens teams are competing, so you would not need many venues to run the event.

I am sure they will be able to find enough suitable venues interstate to hold large crowds with help from the AFL.
It is the Olympics so cricket games can be held on any day or night of the week. They could even do some 20/20 double headers.
They would have to juggle venues & times with some proposed soccer games and of course AFL games.

Carrara would be the main Olympic 20/20 cricket venue in Queensland.

Should this eventuate i can see construction at the northern end of Carrara (big TV open area end) completed in this short timeframe.
Temporary grandstands would not require much time at all. However, a permanent legacy build would be much more preferable.
The Qld Government would then be able to approach the Federal government for extra 50/50 funding seeing it is an added sport and venue.

 

[Section 5]

Below sentence from my above post is already not correct assuming the review still is a 60 day one.

"Because of this, they need to finalize The Gabba issue. That is likely to happen next month."

Queensland government yet to begin promised 60-day review of Olympic Games infrastructure

Premier Steven Miles has again cast doubt over the future of the Gabba rebuild in Queensland, and says a promised 60-day review of Olympic and Paralympic Games infrastructure hasn't started yet.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SRH17]

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The Opposition has sensationally accused the Queensland government of preparing to walk away from the controversial Gabba rebuild.

The Opposition has sensationally accused the government of preparing to walk away from the controversial Gabba rebuild as Premier Steven Miles revealed the independent review of the Games infrastructure was yet to begin.

LNP leader David Crisafulli declared the state government has been briefing stakeholders involved in the delivery of the Olympic and Paralympic Games that the $2.7 billion demolition and rebuild will likely be binned

The Premier made the commitment to review infrastructure deals for the 2032 Games soon after his ascension to state leader last month in a bid to increase transparency and squash growing resentment towards costs committed to hosting the event in the southeast.

But Mr Crisafulli said Mr Miles is already preparing to walk away from the costly rebuild, insisting the comments from the government to stakeholder groups “have been very very loud”.

The Opposition Leader delivered the explosive allegation on Monday but refused to reveal which groups had been told of the plan or who in the government had flagged the decision to bin the complete redevelopment.

When pressed for details, Mr Crisafulli said: “I look forward to the Premier’s response on that but the drums have been very very loud.”

The Opposition Leader was asked if this alluded to the Premier being the source of the news to stakeholders, but he again said: “I look forward to the Premier’s response.”

State Development and Infrastructure Minister Grace Grace, whose portfolio in tasked with overseeing the delivery of Games infrastructure, dismissed the revelation from the Opposition Leader as a cheap ploy to spark division.

“We’ve already announced a review of Games infrastructure and will have more to say on this in the near future, and I’m not going to pre-empt any outcomes,” Ms Grace said.

“All David Crisafulli does is create division.

“We want the Olympic and Paralympic Games to be good for the region and good for the state, that’s what we’re aiming to achieve through this review.”

Mr Miles had earlier revealed on ABC radio the review had not yet begun with the terms of reference for the independent probe currently being finalised.

Mr Crisafulli reaffirmed LNP’s commitment to follow through on the plan to deliver the Games if elected later this year - but the party opposes the knockdown of the Gabba.

“But the government has never taken Queenslanders on the journey, instead they’ve wasted 908 days and now we’re hearing they’re shopping around that they’re not going to proceed with the project that they’ve put their entire focus on,” the Opposition Leader said.”

The jungle drums have been beating since Anna resigned last year

 

[MSB ROYS]

I'll repeat it again, what a total shit show.

 

[Warwick]

This is a complete and utter mess.

 

[Dalions]

Farcical!

 

[Section 5]

Any delay on going onto the next step for The Gabba will not delay the start of that project. Lots of time construction wise.
Even a Labor loss at the election i doubt changes anything. Contracts would be signed before the election in October 2024.

However, it delays the standoff of the RNA proposal because the parties involved live in some sort of hope that may change.
With only 24 months to having the "unknown" Lions AFL playing venue finished any delay for The Gabba drastically affects this decision and construction time.

 

[Dalions]

Any delay on going onto the next step for The Gabba will not delay the start of that project. Lots of time construction wise.
Even a Labor loss at the election i doubt changes anything. Contracts would be signed before the election in October 2024.

However, it delays the standoff of the RNA proposal because the parties involved live in some sort of hope that may change.
With only 24 months to having the "unknown" Lions AFL playing venue finished any delay for The Gabba drastically affects this decision and construction time.

We may end up with a major Renovation of the Gabba or maybe they will build a new stadium elsewhere.
Which may not cost much less money but at least the Lions can continue to play at the Gabba with the second option.
If they were to do a major Reno we will still need to find a temporary home most likely.

 

[Viceregal]

If all else fails we can just be moved to Melbourne for the period of the rebuild, wear a lot of Fitzroy gear, be MCG tenants, sell out the QClash at Metricon for our one game in Qld for the year and totally stuff up the stats for 'interstate' teams winning GFs at the MCG for a couple of years.

Of course that might just have a negative effect of the work life balance family wise of the team, be uninspiring for the non-Melb based members and a range of other issues ... ... ...

 

[Black Panther]

4BC reporting that Premier Miles will walk away from the Gabba rebuild

 

[Viceregal]

So if it doesn't get upgraded as part of the Olympic kitty ... when it inevitably requires to be updated who pays for it then?

 

[Section 5]

Premier on channel 9 news denied the story about cancelling the Gabba rebuild.
He just confirmed they are waiting on the 60-day review.