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[Johnny Bananas]

A little hard to see where it would be in the latest private proposal. Maybe they dig the canals later.

I would imagine so, because they'll have their hands full with building the stadium in seven years without all the earthworks required for making canals.

There are two proposals for Hamilton

The second one certainly looks a lot more achievable in seven years.

 

[Section 5]

I think any proposal for Victoria Park would cost over $3m. As far as I understand the Quirk report's assessment of VP at a cost of $3.4 billion was for just a new stadium, not the Populous proposal. The cost of labour is so high now that I doubt there would be a serious cost saving anywhere else, (including at QSAC, which I suspect has been underquoted for political purposes).

Yes, Quirk did say the costs would be around the same as the Gabba.
However other proposals have two additional venues of Brisbane Arena and a new swimming complex for around $3 billion.
So, i assume just a stadium would come in well under $3 billion but i really have no idea myself.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Yes, Quirk did say the costs would be around the same as the Gabba.
However other proposals have two additional venues of Brisbane Arena and a new swimming complex for around $3 billion.
So, i assume just a stadium would come in well under $3 billion but i really have no idea myself.

That's understandable. My approach, though, is to take every single figure quoted with extreme caution. Both politicians and private enterprise have an incentive to play down the cost of their favoured approach in order to get public support for it. The only one who doesn't have an incentive to quote lower costs is Quirk because he doesn't have to get elected anymore, but even he could be relying on data from parties that are (intentionally or unintentionally) underpaying costs.

 

[Section 5]

That's understandable. My approach, though, is to take every single figure quoted with extreme caution. Both politicians and private enterprise have an incentive to play down the cost of their favoured approach in order to get public support for it. The only one who doesn't have an incentive to quote lower costs is Quirk because he doesn't have to get elected anymore, but even he could be relying on data from parties that are (intentionally or unintentionally) underpaying costs.

Yes, Quirk mentioned "The Review Panel notes that the assumptions and costings have been peer reviewed to ensure the figures are appropriate."

Let's assume it is $3,000,000,000 and both governments will stick to the total $7,000,000,000 funding.
The state government can't afford $3 billion plus the other $900+ million for the minor venue agreement.
Thats one reason they had to change track and that's why i continue to mention the two-government agreement has to change.

It gets back to deciding what is more beneficial to Brisbane as a legacy.
A new stadium ($3B) or a new Entertainment Centre ($2.5B+).
And if the answer is a new stadium, then the agreement has to change.

Both are needed for Brisbane future, but only one is needed for the Olympics.
Neither venue will make money in regard to the outlay.
Of course there are lots of financial benefits in other arears as governments will point out if a build goes ahead.

 

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A good video put together 10 days ago.
It's about the LA games.
Remember though Brisbane is the first new format IOC cheap games.
So, we should not be competing/comparing with Paris & LA

 

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[M Malice]

I wonder how many of those "experts" took into account the age of the Gabba and the need for a new oval stadium that would be well used by at least AFL and Cricket post the Olympics?

I would hazard a guess that they would not know what the hell AFL even was.

 

[Section 5]

I wonder how many of those "experts" took into account the age of the Gabba and the need for a new oval stadium that would be well used by at least AFL and Cricket post the Olympics?

I would hazard a guess that they would not know what the hell AFL even was.

I don't think the overseas experts were talking about the Gabba they were just general comments on costs of Olympics.
Also a few other things were mentioned one being transport.
The ageing Gabba also mentioned but that was the voice over ABC guy.

What i got from the video.
QSAC: Video opening "river city has many attractions but the cnr of Mains & Kessells Road is not one of them"
Came from nowhere due to international pressure (IOC) and local State politics.

Quirk: He understood Coates trying to protect the Olympic brand.
The big issue was the continued public debate around The Gabba ruining the IOC brand.
(my thoughts: if it was ruining their brand back then all the recent stuff has not helped)
Mentions the review panels Victoria Park recommendation but did not go into details just the $3.4 billion plus costs.

Coates: In February "abandon the Gabba- look for another venue- it does not stack up"
Got his way when Miles announced QSAC wins out over the recommended Quirk site of Victoria Park.

Transport: (overseas expert) Was a big headache for Paris and will be a bigger one for LA
(Brisbane expert) can be done but it is a big corridor, Gold Coast-Brisbane-Sunshine Coast.
The government will have to listen to them.
(overseas expert) often creative transport gets the nod instead of transport needed for the city and community to grow.

Lang Park: Will have to find a new way for the usual stadium opening/closing event.
One reason being the usual number of athletes won't fit into a rectangle stadium while staging entertainment.

 

[M Malice]

I don't think the overseas experts were talking about the Gabba they were just general comments on costs of Olympics.
Also a few other things were mentioned one being transport.
The ageing Gabba also mentioned but that was the voice over ABC guy.

What i got from the video.
QSAC: Video opening "river city has many attractions but the cnr of Mains & Kessells Road is not one of them"
Came from nowhere due to international pressure (IOC) and local State politics.

Quirk: He understood Coates trying to protect the Olympic brand.
The big issue was the continued public debate around The Gabba ruining the IOC brand.
(my thoughts: if it was ruining their brand back then all the recent stuff has not helped)
Mentions the review panels Victoria Park recommendation but did not go into details just the $3.4 billion plus costs.

Coates: In February "abandon the Gabba- look for another venue- it does not stack up"
Got his way when Miles announced QSAC wins out over the recommended Quirk site of Victoria Park.

Transport: (overseas expert) Was a big headache for Paris and will be a bigger one for LA
(Brisbane expert) can be done but it is a big corridor, Gold Coast-Brisbane-Sunshine Coast.
The government will have to listen to them.
(overseas expert) often creative transport gets the nod instead of transport needed for the city and community to grow.

Lang Park: Will have to find a new way for the usual stadium opening/closing event.
One reason being the usual number of athletes won't fit into a rectangle stadium while staging entertainment.

IMO they should be well informed about a cities unique future needs not just on raw financial data from previous Olympics.

A new Oval Stadium or seriously upgraded Gabba(which includes substantial upping of capacity), will be needed post the Olympics... to me it is sound financial management to use the Olympics as a path to that needed outcome.

Certainly not getting there with a temporary 40,000 seat venue which will be down to 14,000 capacity post the Olympics.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Brisbane City Council wants the Doomben line converted into "Metro" (aka, road for long buses). If this happens, it kills a lot of the appeal of Hamilton as a venue. We can't go back to having buses only for public transport to and from a stadium.

 

[Perrip]

Brisbane City Council wants the Doomben line converted into "Metro" (aka, road for long buses).

It's quite ironic Schrinner wants more buses and Metros in the suburbs but won't do more east/west transport. Most of those routes are already serviced by rail.

 

[Dalions]

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Brisbane City Council wants the Doomben line converted into "Metro" (aka, road for long buses). If this happens, it kills a lot of the appeal of Hamilton as a venue. We can't go back to having buses only for public transport to and from a stadium.

A Pedestrian bridge across to Bulimba would be ideal for me.

 

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IMO they should be well informed about a cities unique future needs not just on raw financial data from previous Olympics.

A new Oval Stadium or seriously upgraded Gabba(which includes substantial upping of capacity), will be needed post the Olympics... to me it is sound financial management to use the Olympics as a path to that needed outcome.

Certainly not getting there with a temporary 40,000 seat venue which will be down to 14,000 capacity post the Olympics.

MM i don't expect overseas experts in certain fields to keep up with The Gabba issues.
Hell, the local people in charge have no idea.

The Courier Mail favors Liberal/National Party line of thinking, and they have been pushing for a new stadium.
So, any pro new stadium from any media outlet puts political pressure on both parties
Media outlets need to get a decent journalist to actually put some time into all the issues around how a new oval stadium might be achieved.
Instead, they and other media just put up new proposal coming out of left field.
Easy to copy/paste these ideas rather than do some real journalism.
Unfortunately, they would have to work with a $3 billion model (Quirk) as no validation & business case has been completed on Victoria Park. That would not even get the okay till after February 2025 so that's May if it can be done in 3 months.
I doubt they ask for a validation report for the Hamilton area proposals as i believe they have put the proposed Hamilton Athletes Village out for tenders.

I have not seen one article (since briefly mentioned in Feb) anywhere on the actual funding model.
No scrutiny on the Brisbane Arena which frankly is amazing seeing it is nearly as much as a new stadium.
Some pressure should be put on the Commonwealth minister for sport and even the PM.
Why are they still funding an Entertainment Centre now that the Gabba is not being rebuilt.
That was the reason for separate funding in the first place. They believed The Gabba was too risky in blowout costs.
The agreement could easily be changed in my opinion and put those funds towards a new oval stadium.
A new oval stadium solves the crazy cost of QSAC for athletics, solves the opening and closing ceremonies restraints of a rectangle field capacity to hold all the athletes, while putting on entertainment.

Commonwealth funding Brisbane Arena $2,500,000,000 + QSAC money not needed $1,600,000,000 + Lang Park upgrades not needed $500,000,000.
Thats $4,600,000,000 for a new stadium.
To keep Coats & IOC happy, do some upgrades to QSAC as an athletics legacy.
You could even keep the Lang Park upgrades using one funding pool, so you don't antagonize the League followers.

Both governments would have to choose between a new oval stadium or a new Entertainment Centre.
Which choice has less chance of public backlash or less votes in 2 elections in the next 7 months.

 

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A Pedestrian bridge across to Bulimba would be ideal for me.

Start up a go fund me that may be your best hope

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

A Pedestrian bridge across to Bulimba would be ideal for me.

I would of thought that would of been more a priority or massive addition than the kangaroo cliff one, which is almost complete.
no bridges between the story bridge and the gateway is mind boggling.
Bulimba to newfarm or bulimba to Hammo would be so significant to the City.
Maybe that the span of the river is wider at these points could very well be why it hasn't been done?
Although back in the eughties my mate tried to swim from the Hammo side to Bulin=mba one night.
Didn't get far lol.
That was pre bullshark knowledge as well.

 

[Section 5]

I would of thought that would of been more a priority or massive addition than the kangaroo cliff one, which is almost complete.
no bridges between the story bridge and the gateway is mind boggling.
Bulimba to newfarm or bulimba to Hammo would be so significant to the City.
Maybe that the span of the river is wider at these points could very well be why it hasn't been done?
Although back in the eughties my mate tried to swim from the Hammo side to Bulin=mba one night.
Didn't get far lol.
That was pre bullshark knowledge as well.

I think the next bridge between Story and Gateway will be a vehicular/cycle/pedestrian one, but that's just a guess on my part.

I quite like that the CBD area as of today has 3 green bridges open with a 4th in a few months' time.
They really make getting around the city area divided by a wide deep river much easier for locals and tourists.
The design of all the bridges is different which i also like.

Red - Kurilpa Bridge: Linking the northern part of the art precinct to the Roma Street station/Roma Street parklands area.

Brown - Neville Bonner Bridge opened today: Linking Southbank near the big wheel to the new Queens Wharf/new Star Casino/Hotel Towers also open from Thursday i believe.
Purple - Goodwill Bridge: Linking Queensland Maritime Museum/Southbank to QUT/City Botanical Gardens south end.

Black - Kangaroo Point Bridge near completion: Linking Kangaroo Point to City Botanical Gardens north end/River walkway to all the businesses and restaurants along that stretch of the river.
Also, a short walk to Albert Street underground rail station when completed, and a little further to the CBD.

Building bridges across the wide deep Brisbane River would be way more expensive than say across the Yarra in Melbourne.









Nevill Bonner Bridge Opens Today

 

[M Malice]

I went for a walk with my daughter last weekend from Southbank right along the bottom of Kangaroo Point cliffs, crossed the river over the Storey Bridge and went along the river on the north side and back across the Goodwill bridge to Southbank, around 8km, very nice leisurely scenic walk. Lot easier than the trekking I do.

 

[Section 5]

I went for a walk with my daughter last weekend from the Southbank right along the bottom of Kangaroo Point cliffs, crossed the river over the Storey Bridge and went along the river on the north side and back across the Goodwill bridge to Southbank, around 8km, very nice leisurely scenic walk. Lot easier than the trekking I do.

Before my health issues i was a regular walker in that area not the 8km trip you did but about 5km for me.
It is much better than always walking around my suburb even though some nice parks in the area.

I park at the top of Kangaroo point cliffs, somewhere near the Mormon church with the gold statue.
Free street parking for 2 to 4 hours depends which space you find.
Usually go Mon-Fri but have done weekends. Would not go on AFL/Cricket days.
Walk my 4/5 km and finish up with the 200 odd steps up the cliffs back to my car.
That the part that gets me puffing and struggling some, especially in summer as i usually go around 11am.
I am back to walking 3/4 km now but will need some more time to get back to my usual walk in that area.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I would of thought that would of been more a priority or massive addition than the kangaroo cliff one, which is almost complete.
no bridges between the story bridge and the gateway is mind boggling.
Bulimba to newfarm or bulimba to Hammo would be so significant to the City.
Maybe that the span of the river is wider at these points could very well be why it hasn't been done?
Although back in the eughties my mate tried to swim from the Hammo side to Bulin=mba one night.
Didn't get far lol.
That was pre bullshark knowledge as well.

It's also because bridges have to be high to allow boats to pass underneath, and that adds to costs. Kangaroo Point is already on high ground so there's less raising needed at that end. Plus, the number of people that will use it is a big factor. Kangaroo Point has more people than Bulimba or Hamilton and the CBD is a bigger destination than either Bulimba or Hamilton are.

 

[Perrip]

7 News Brisbane

David Crisafulli looks set to dump QSAC as an Olympic venue if the LNP wins the October election. He says he's "not convinced" about current plans, but is ruling out a new stadium for now.

 

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7 News Brisbane

I saw that, it was also on the other networks.
As you mentioned he did state once again his no new stadium line.
Except this time, he just said "it's no"
That just tells me he has no idea either.

By dropping QSAC his only other option i see is Carrara.
That will still take a fair bit of money to achieve what is required.
Carrara would have been used for cricket as the Gabba could not hold all the games required.

EDIT: If they choose Carrara the athletes will have to travel from Brisbane as not enough capacity for them at the Gold Coast Village

 

[Johnny Bananas]

7 News Brisbane

Kinda ridiculous if he's saying no to QSAC and ruling out a new stadium. He's probably just being gutless, but what's the alternative, Carrara?

 

[Dalions]

Kinda ridiculous if he's saying no to QSAC and ruling out a new stadium. He's probably just being gutless, but what's the alternative, Carrara?

Maybe an increase in capacity of the Gabba?
Just at either end of the ground.
Sorry School.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Kinda ridiculous if he's saying no to QSAC and ruling out a new stadium. He's probably just being gutless, but what's the alternative, Carrara?

I don't know why anyone is surprised. Guts don't win elections unfortnately. The Olympics is poison electorally (undeservedly so) so they'll go to pains to not mention it or deflect or worst case avoid categroic statements.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I don't know why anyone is surprised. Guts don't win elections unfortnately. The Olympics is poison electorally (undeservedly so) so they'll go to pains to not mention it or deflect or worst case avoid categroic statements.

You say that, but Dan Andrews was consistently bold and consistently won elections. Even had the courage to admit he was wrong to bid for the Commonwealth Games and canned it.