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[BigCat2]

Channel 7 news in relation to the above X link

Jarrod Bleijie stated, "no new stadium" and "no to Victoria Park". He could not be clearer.

I get it. It sounds pretty categorical.

However it has only been 2 weeks since the election, where in the lead up they said "no new stadium". I ask this: at this point, can they realistically say anything different?

Regarding the review, they would already have a reasonable idea of what they want to do, and the review would flesh out the costs and logistics of what the project looks like.

Whether they change their mind or not, they will continue their current position in the mean time.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

What are they planning on doing to the gabba ?

 

[PattyKwasagun]

So foncused I thought it was already ruled out?
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Funny how different the Courier Mail reporting of this update is:

 

[Section 5]

Deputy premier again rules out a new Olympic stadium at Victoria Park as more costs blow out

Queensland may have a new state government but the same issues surrounding a centrepiece stadium for the 2023 Brisbane Olympic and Paralympic Games persist.

www.abc.net.au

Mr Crisafulli has consistently said new stadiums won't be in the terms of reference but a redevelopment of the Gabba will be considered.
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Sunshine Coast Mayor Rosanna Natoli made it clear she was unhappy at the prospect of venues being scaled back.

"It is incredibly disappointing that we will be held up again for a 100 day review," she said on Thursday.

"Our community has been promised these facilities … These projects have been validated, they have been designed, they are ready to go."
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Mr Miles said the LNP would have to get used to price increases for infrastructure projects.

"This is how tender processes work, you have cost estimates, you go to market, the market comes back with market pricing," he said on Friday.

"This is the great con of David Crisafulli's promise, he promised there would never be another cost increase, that ministers would be held to account for the original budgeted figures.

"Now it's up to that team to explain how they're going to hold those projects to the original budgeted figures."

 

[GC2015]

Channel 7 news in relation to the above X link

Jarrod Bleijie stated, "no new stadium" and "no to Victoria Park". He could not be clearer.

The LNP are now banging on about the Olympic budget blowout caused by Labor. Perfect excuse to not commit to a new stadium.

I now only see The Gabba happening in Brisbane. It can only be a rebuild (a new stadium anyhow). Result we play at the RNA (i think it will be no costs to AFL/cricket) or move to Carrara.

If they're unwilling to commit to a new stadium, then it's probably unlikely they'd be willing to commit funding towards the temporary RNA venue too. Signs are pointing towards a move to Carrara while the Gabba is being rebuilt, just like Labor originally intended. Might be time to sound out the Gold Coast Council about upgrading the capacity at Carrara. I know Tom Tate mentioned it this year when we started selling out games.

How do these people get and keep their job. Oh, i know we elect them so it's really our fault.

Yup. Can't be surprised. Crisafulli said no new stadium well before election day and has been consistent on that. Only got yourself to blame if you got sucked into the idea that they might build a new stadium if you vote them in.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

If you voted LNP in the hope that we were going to get VP, you can't claim that they've lost your trust as I've seen one or two people do in this thread. They repeatedly said they weren't building a new stadium. You were trusting them to go back on their word and break their election promise. That's a very strange form of trust.

 

[Section 5]

If they're unwilling to commit to a new stadium, then it's probably unlikely they'd be willing to commit funding towards the temporary RNA venue too. Signs are pointing towards a move to Carrara while the Gabba is being rebuilt, just like Labor originally intended. Might be time to sound out the Gold Coast Council about upgrading the capacity at Carrara. I know Tom Tate mentioned it this year when we started selling out games.

I think it will be very easy to find the $137 million proposed costs for the RNA. Most likely they need to fund less than that.
The government at the time were to put in $47 million. The balance of $90 million from RNA, Cricket and AFL.
The RNA finally came to the party and agreed to put in their share.
That was magnanimous of them considering they retain the asset.
I think you will find the RNA puts in money possibly the $47 million so the Government only has to provide $90 million.

Say they decide on Carrara for athletics it will not cost $1,600,000,000 (QSAC funds) to get that functional for athletics.
Plus, as you said Tate is interested in increasing Carrara capacity so some funding can come from them.

Best it does not look like the Commonwealth games site just to get more people inside though.
Planned properly it could get to a decent capacity of 30-35 K in legacy mode.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

I think it will be very easy to find the $137 million proposed costs for the RNA. Most likely they need to fund less than that.
The government at the time were to put in $47 million. The balance of $90 million from RNA, Cricket and AFL.
The RNA finally came to the party and agreed to put in their share.
That was magnanimous of them considering they retain the asset.
I think you will find the RNA puts in money possibly the $47 million so the Government only has to provide $90 million.

Say they decide on Carrara for athletics it will not cost $1,600,000,000 (QSAC funds) to get that functional for athletics.
Plus, as you said Tate is interested in increasing Carrara capacity so some funding can come from them.

Best it does not look like the Commonwealth games site just to get more people inside though.
Planned properly it could get to a decent capacity of 30-35 K in legacy mode.

I suspect there isn't enough time to get RNA redeveloped before demolition starts at the Gabba, and if that's the case I doubt many people would see that money being a sound investment. You'd have to spend at least one season playing out of Carrara anyway, and the money would be better utilised elsewhere in the Olympic project.

 

[GC2015]

I think it will be very easy to find the $137 million proposed costs for the RNA. Most likely they need to fund less than that.
The government at the time were to put in $47 million. The balance of $90 million from RNA, Cricket and AFL.
The RNA finally came to the party and agreed to put in their share.
That was magnanimous of them considering they retain the asset.
I think you will find the RNA puts in money possibly the $47 million so the Government only has to provide $90 million.

I don't think that $90 million is going to be as easy to secure as you may think. The LNP were very critical about the $180 million Olympic venue blowout yesterday and said that they are looking into cost saving measures. Would probably be significantly cheaper for them to just partially pay for an extra 5-7k seats to be added at Carrara.

Planned properly it could get to a decent capacity of 30-35 K in legacy mode.

I think that's best for all involved. It's been speculated that permanently filling in the open end at Carrara would increase the capacity to the 32-35k range, which is pretty close to the current capacity at the Gabba.

 

[Section 5]

I suspect there isn't enough time to get RNA redeveloped before demolition starts at the Gabba, and if that's the case I doubt many people would see that money being a sound investment. You'd have to spend at least one season playing out of Carrara anyway, and the money would be better utilised elsewhere in the Olympic project.

Time is running out on lots of things considering we are 3 years in and no progress in the 2 big ticket items.

If the Gabba is a rebuild (a new stadium) you are correct.

If The Gabba ends up being upgraded in sections that will keep us home but not good for members in losing their seats.

 

[Dalions]

Time is running out on lots of things considering we are 3 years in and no progress in the 2 big ticket items.

If the Gabba is a rebuild (a new stadium) you are correct.

If The Gabba ends up being upgraded in sections that will keep us home but not good for members in losing their seats.

If they can come up with a decent Olympic Standard Stadium at Gabba with 55k+- seats I have always said that I am happy for the Stadium yo stay at the Gabba.
Not particularly keen on the possibility of 5 years without the stadium or a staged re-build where we can stay with reduced capacity but I love the position of the Gabba and the fact that there is transport infrastructure in place already is a bonus.

 

[Section 5]

I don't think that $90 million is going to be as easy to secure as you may think. The LNP were very critical about the $180 million Olympic venue blowout yesterday and said that they are looking into cost saving measures. Would probably be significantly cheaper for them to just partially pay for an extra 5-7k seats to be added at Carrara.

Very easy to find that small amount in a $7 billion budget as i explained.
The $180 million blowouts in minor venues they mentioned is just politics.
Thats what they say but is it true and if so to what extent. They only pay half of that anyhow.

Putting a hold on those projects has just upset the reginal Mayors who are mostly all Liberal or National party.
That action likely causes more uncertainty and possible more cost increases.

The minor venues budget is $1.87billion shared over 37 venues (average of $50 million). I don't see this as the big issue
Brisbane Arena Federal $2.5 billion maximum
State Government $2.5 billion plus any excess to build Brisbane Arena

 

[Section 5]

If they can come up with a decent Olympic Standard Stadium at Gabba with 55k+- seats I have always said that I am happy for the Stadium yo stay at the Gabba.
Not particularly keen on the possibility of 5 years without the stadium or a staged re-build where we can stay with reduced capacity but I love the position of the Gabba and the fact that there is transport infrastructure in place already is a bonus.

I like the Gabba location also.
I think it is a much better proven location than Victoria Park.
The location has its problems in regard to the land available.
Also getting to CRR and keeping the buses running after the game has to be a given within the new build.

They should open the bidding process worldwide and not favor Australia architects and builders.
I am sure an architect/builder worldwide with more modern techniques may be able to build an international class stadium.

According to Quirk we can't get to an international class or Australian class stadium in regard to facilities etc etc.
But we can get the Gabba to around 50-55k in legacy mode.
What we don't know is who he got this information/costing from to come to that conclusion.
He only had 60 days so i doubt the reach was wide.

 

[Gadzorks]

This is a demonstration of rubbish vision and leadership.

The opportunity to improve the city infrastructure to meet the population growth is begun wasted.
If they came out and said we will build 5000 homes around the state then sure, don't do a stadium but that is not how it works.

This latest statement was from the deputy leader - could of course be politics and an internal disagreement bubbling away. Will know when we see the terms of reference.

 

[BuntonRules]

Just emailed Wells and Mander, Will send on to every member here and in Canberra. Time for us to push our own barrow.

To the honorable member

The question of Brisbane's facilities hosting the 2032 Olympics is a big issue of this political time.

I trust the proposed 100 day review will not be dependent on previous political posturing.

Any review must include the option of a new stadium - to spend more on the Gabba - the requirements for this ageing edifice are essentially a new stadium, at a higher cost and poorer final product.

As the Quirk review found, and numerous statements from shareholders endorse, the best result is a new stadium at Victoria Park.

A precinct including swimming, accommodation (future low cost housing ) and a world class venue for the next 50 plus years is a legacy.

The amount of greenspace lost can be balanced by freeing other land in areas where it is needed.

In future there are great possibilities for the Gabba site.

To hold that it is either a stadium, or housing, is a copout - the vast majority of the funding comes from federal, Olympic and private equity.

Whilst those that push the nothing new whilst we need houses are a vocal minority, I believe there is a far bigger electorate that wants an Olympics, and a legacy that Queensland can be proud of.

I trust that all involved will make their decisions based on the best option identifies, and the best long term outcome for all Queenslanders, and Australians

sincerely

Anthony Waller

 

[Gadzorks]

Just emailed Wells and Mander, Will send on to every member here and in Canberra. Time for us to push our own barrow.

I will send a version of the same to every email address you can share. I have all my local ones, they will get a paper version handed in to their offices.

 

[Grasshopper17]

I will send a version of the same to every email address you can share. I have all my local ones, they will get a paper version handed in to their offices.

Please do... Very happy to email people as well, and probably modify the email slightly so it doesn't get caught up in their spam filters etc

 

[brutus76]

NO NEW STADIUM at their cost

But if some private investors and AFL stump up some $ to privately build at Toombul and the Libs only have to say cough up a small % they'll do it

 

[Section 5]

Please do... Very happy to email people as well, and probably modify the email slightly so it doesn't get caught up in their spam filters etc

Yes, no point in just saying the same thing they will know it will be basically coming from one source

 

[Section 5]

The Gabba has improved since 1978
Unfortunately, i do remember those days
Not at the cricket but at the dogs
Machinery needed a ramp to go over the dog track for cricket

On Friday 1 December 1978 a crowd of 14,026 turned out to the Gabba to watch the first day of the 1978 England vs Australia Test match.

Ashes test at the Gabba 1978. (The Courier Mail)

Aerial View of Brisbane 1980​

This aerial photo was taken on 21 January 1980- a lot has changed since then!

The view of Brisbane includes Captain Cook Bridge, Queensland University of Technology, Kangaroo Point, the Story Bridge and Woolloongabba. It appeared on the 1979/1980 Telephone Directory cover.

Aerial view of Brisbane 21 January 1980. (National Archives of Australia)