Garry Ablett Jnr

[Ogopogo]

A little but I think the Suns have made and broken many promises. It's ******* scandalous how mismanaged the whole enterprise is (thrown into even starker relief when you compare them to GWS). He should be playing in a side playing finals by now with the amount of talent and concessions they had.

The draft is a little like a lottery - you have no idea if the kid you pick is going to turn out or not. First round picks have a little higher likelihood but nobody has a crystal ball.

The Suns have had horrible injury woes the last two seasons - no club could recover from having their best 5 or 6 players out for the entire season like the Suns experienced twice. Before injury problems killed them they had a 7-2 start to the 2014 season and were well on their way to finals. Injuries have destroyed them since that point in time. Throw in a few crack heads like Harley Bennell and Karmichael Hunt and you have some major challenges to overcome.

GWS has had better luck in the draft and with injuries. With luck falling a different way, the Suns and Giants could have their fortunes completely reversed.

 

[roscreasl98]

Nathan hated the spotlight

Easy for you to sit back and judge, but you have no idea what the family has gone through and why. Think you should get off your high horse and quit throwing rocks mate

Truth hurts....

 

[Drewie11]

A little but I think the Suns have made and broken many promises. It's ******* scandalous how mismanaged the whole enterprise is (thrown into even starker relief when you compare them to GWS). He should be playing in a side playing finals by now with the amount of talent and concessions they had.

Yes you are correct with everything. I would bet my left nut though if the suns were a top 4 side that he wouldn't be going anywhere!

 

[Russian Demon]

A little but I think the Suns have made and broken many promises. It's ******* scandalous how mismanaged the whole enterprise is (thrown into even starker relief when you compare them to GWS). He should be playing in a side playing finals by now with the amount of talent and concessions they had.

You say this like he's a national treasure or something. He's a footy player. Possibly the best one ever, but he sure as hell isn't any more.

Hows GC are run, propped up or mismanaged has nothing to do with this. Gaz signed a contract, then signed a contract for 5 years which he saw out, and then signed a contract extension! When you sign with a club, especially one that is struggling, you weigh the risks you won't have success, or they might sack the coach, or even that the club goes under.

You are making the claim that because he was once the best he should be treated special? All of this sounds like you are still offended he bailed on your club to earn more money. Move on, he's acting like a child.

 

[Xtreme]

Sounds like sour grapes see out the contract or retire.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Sits behind his father (and comfortably) as the second best player this game has seen.

Carey a close third.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

You say this like he's a national treasure or something. He's a footy player. Possibly the best one ever, but he sure as hell isn't any more.

Hows GC are run, propped up or mismanaged has nothing to do with this. Gaz signed a contract, then signed a contract for 5 years which he saw out, and then signed a contract extension! When you sign with a club, especially one that is struggling, you weigh the risks you won't have success, or they might sack the coach, or even that the club goes under.

You are making the claim that because he was once the best he should be treated special? All of this sounds like you are still offended he bailed on your club to earn more money. Move on, he's acting like a child.

Don't expect a serious reply to the main issue you've raised there eg the contract he willingly pushed for and chose to sign. Seems most people here get that you sign a contract it's your choice but plenty of Geelong fans seem to think because he's been a superstar player rules should be different for him. I've raised it numerous times and funnily enough it's been ignored despite the fact it's simple truth.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Sits behind his father (and comfortably) as the second best player this game has seen.

Carey a close third.

Mmm? .....Leigh Mathews?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Cant be that bad if he only suggested geelong and isnt prepared to walk.

Life is full of shitty conflicts. He has an employer who is willing to support him through it with time off during the playing year.

He seems to think GC owe him something other than time off for family reasons and his agreed pay cheque.

Maybe stay with your mates next time and dont chase the money. Grown ups own their choices.

Excellent post .....wasn't Gary snr living up north? .....so if Gary snr moves from state to State, Gary jnr has to follow ? .........there is a responsibility to a "Franchise" contract you actually pushed for and negotiated hard for the big $$$$ .....i find all this lack of respect for contracts by both sides (player and club) very frustrating

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Mmm? .....Leigh Mathews?

Not as good as the 3 I named and his legacy is tarnished somewhat in my view by the way he regularly flopped and dived in an attempt to win free kicks. It's actually embarrassing.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I don't know how they would do it trade wise. Geelong certainly won't be giving up an arm and a leg for a 33 yr old who may only play one more season. This will be a unique situation or he will just retire.

Would have to be a 3rd round pick IMO .......Geelong have given too many top picks away in trades & has an aging list .....simply cannot give even a 2nd round for Ablett, would be totally irresponsible

Chances of all this actually happening ......minimal IMO, Gold Coast will play hard

 

[Power Raid]

Any other place of employment and gary would be home in Geelong right now.

Make it happen AFL. Find compensation and make it happen, as any good employer would do

 

[Carlos Danger]

Would have to be a 3rd round pick IMO .......Geelong have given too many top picks away in trades & has an aging list .....simply cannot give even a 2nd round for Ablett, would be totally irresponsible

Chances of all this actually happening ......minimal IMO, Gold Coast will play hard

Think youre right, What's in it for GC? They've been screwed by players wanting to leave them, they dont get fair value in return, it's very hard to see them doing any club any favours in the trade period. They're responsible to the GC members not for the Good of the AFL.

GC aren't paying any $$ of his contract for him to be elsewhere.
Geelong have no draft picks to offer- didn't they need to get approval to trade a pick last year as they had exceeded guidelines so any trade probably would have to be a player.
There's going to be best disagreement from both clubs over the value of ablett.

If it was to get done Ablett would have to rip up his current contract & play for hardly anything. And even then what's in it for the GC the only advantage for them to have less in the salary cap which is hardly bursting would be if they can sign a big name via trade or FA & give them Gary's $$

Seems very unlikely, won't be good for this situation to play out like this for 2 more years. Ablett either needs get over it & start playing footy cos he enjoys it or if he doesn't then just retire & do it now

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Think youre right, What's in it for GC? They've been screwed by players wanting to leave them, they dont get fair value in return, it's very hard to see them doing any club any favours in the trade period. They're responsible to the GC members not for the Good of the AFL.

GC aren't paying any $$ of his contract for him to be elsewhere.
Geelong have no draft picks to offer- didn't they need to get approval to trade a pick last year as they had exceeded guidelines so any trade probably would have to be a player.
There's going to be best disagreement from both clubs over the value of ablett.

If it was to get done Ablett would have to rip up his current contract & play for hardly anything. And even then what's in it for the GC the only advantage for them to have less in the salary cap which is hardly bursting would be if they can sign a big name via trade or FA & give them Gary's $$

Seems very unlikely, won't be good for this situation to play out like this for 2 more years. Ablett either needs get over it & start playing footy cos he enjoys it or if he doesn't then just retire & do it now

Only thing is ....if Gold Coast tear up Abletts contract for 2018, and knowing that situation now .....GC have the time and a $1M a year in funds to go and get a young gun for next season ......lets say a Dylan Shiel as an example

 

[Carlos Danger]

Only thing is ....if Gold Coast tear up Abletts contract for 2018, and knowing that situation now .....GC have the time and a $1M a year in funds to go and get a young gun for next season ......lets say a Dylan Shiel as an example

GC can't tear it up Ablett has to, haven't heard much about whether he's prepared to play for average $ or he still wants his current $ which he will get even if he retires at least the base amount which would still be sizeable.

But if GC don't get anyone having extra room won't be much Good, they still need to pay 95% of cap.

That's a lot of unlikely things needing to line up for it to work including trade agreements, the most unlikely being that GC can land a mill a year type star. Not as it stands at the moment, they need retain players & show the AFL they're capable of making the finals before good players will want to come up there.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

GC can't tear it up Ablett has to, haven't heard much about whether he's prepared to play for average $ or he still wants his current $ which he will get even if he retires at least the base amount which would still be sizeable.

But if GC don't get anyone having extra room won't be much Good, they still need to pay 95% of cap.

That's a lot of unlikely things needing to line up for it to work including trade agreements, the most unlikely being that GC can land a mill a year type star. Not as it stands at the moment, they need retain players & show the AFL they're capable of making the finals before good players will want to come up there.

Nah, not if he retires and breaks his contract .....he gets nothing

EDIT: But the contract $1M IIRC would still be in Gold Coasts salary cap for next year, thus losing the services of a player PLUS an inability to replace him ......sense growing anger from GC

Is the Buddy Franklin rule where he's getting paid an annual $ contact, even though he's unlikely to playout the 10 years

 

[JackFlash]

Was waste of space Gary Ablett Senior better than:

Carey
Voss
Hird
Matthews
Rioli
Lockett
McLeod
Ricciuto
Franklin
Harvey
Tuck
Pavlich
Kelly

No.

He was as good as them, yes, but what a failure as a father, what a terrible clubman and what a bloody train wreck...

Only Carey and Matthews can be spoken in the same breath as Ablett snr. If you didn't see him play then you have no idea what he could do. He changed games, he did things no other player could do, one time he kicked 5-11 against the Dogs, sounds bad doesn't it? No, he got foot to ball, either side of his body like no other player could do and had shots that scored from impossible situations. This while playing as a wingman/half forward. He never went permanently to Full Forward until he was 31 yrs old and then kicked 100 goals a season the next three years consecutively. We are talking super - elite here.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Don't expect a serious reply to the main issue you've raised there eg the contract he willingly pushed for and chose to sign. Seems most people here get that you sign a contract it's your choice but plenty of Geelong fans seem to think because he's been a superstar player rules should be different for him. I've raised it numerous times and funnily enough it's been ignored despite the fact it's simple truth.

Clubs also willingly sign contracts with players then mid-contract push them out of the door to another club. Personally I doubt a deal can be struck between the two clubs in this case and that's partly down to Ablett. As you say, he pushed for the longer deal so GCS are now playing hardball. Geelong have little to offer on a trade.

But as for different rules for superstar players, the AFL makes up rules all the time. In this case Ablett's move to GCS was enabled by large salary cap concessions. The AFL may choose to step in on this matter as part of a larger intervention into one of their project clubs becoming a basket case.

While he is contracted to GCS Ablett should remain professional and put in his best effort every week. But it can't be easy when your team is being pumped. Let's see how he goes this week against the Hawks. He got 3 votes from the umpires last year.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Clubs also willingly sign contracts with players then mid-contract push them out of the door to another club. Personally I doubt a deal can be struck between the two clubs in this case and that's partly down to Ablett. As you say, he pushed for the longer deal so GCS are now playing hardball. Geelong have little to offer on a trade.

But as for different rules for superstar players, the AFL makes up rules all the time. In this case Ablett's move to GCS was enabled by large salary cap concessions. The AFL may choose to step in on this matter as part of a larger intervention into one of their project clubs becoming a basket case.

While he is contracted to GCS Ablett should remain professional and put in his best effort every week. But it can't be easy when your team is being pumped. Let's see how he goes this week against the Hawks. He got 3 votes from the umpires last year.

I agree with most of your post, especially about the professionalism. For his own personal game Ablett has done this at the gold coast however as a leader I think he's been pretty average at best which may even be a tad generous. This is also in part the Gold Coast's fault for just assuming the best player would be the best leader. I hope to see Ablett now bounce back this week and that doesn't have to mean massive possessions, just actually chasing and doing the hard stuff that was absent last week would be nice.

 

[JackFlash]

Would have to be a 3rd round pick IMO .......Geelong have given too many top picks away in trades & has an aging list .....simply cannot give even a 2nd round for Ablett, would be totally irresponsible

Chances of all this actually happening ......minimal IMO, Gold Coast will play hard

Yes, Gold Coast will play hard and nail Ablett to the wall on this one. (Totally unjustified IMO) My only wish is they fold and are a distant memory by 2020.

 

[Carlos Danger]

Nah, not if he retires and breaks his contract .....he gets nothing

EDIT: But the contract $1M IIRC would still be in Gold Coasts salary cap for next year, thus losing the services of a player PLUS an inability to replace him ......sense growing anger from GC

Is the Buddy Franklin rule where he's getting paid an annual $ contact, even though he's unlikely to playout the 10 years

Definitely right about the salary cap, the buddy deal thought us all something new there.

I thought players still got some cash even in retirement, but maybe that's if your forced by injury. Or maybe they get injured & do a deal with the club so they don't sit injured on a list for a year & take up a list spot.
Retiring against a clubs wish might be different.
Where does that money go if GC have to include it in the cap, but noones getting it? Is it just hypothetical $$, would at least be a saving to GCs bottom line in that case... small win for them lol

 

[Frank Bunn]

I agree with most of your post, especially about the professionalism. For his own personal game Ablett has done this at the gold coast however as a leader I think he's been pretty average at best which may even be a tad generous. This is also in part the Gold Coast's fault for just assuming the best player would be the best leader. I hope to see Ablett now bounce back this week and that doesn't have to mean massive possessions, just actually chasing and doing the hard stuff that was absent last week would be nice.

Personally I thought Ablett was the wrong choice to go to Gold Coast and perform that leadership role. He has always been a bit selfish. He was a great player for Geelong but was never in contention to be captain.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Definitely right about the salary cap, the buddy deal thought us all something new there.

I thought players still got some cash even in retirement, but maybe that's if your forced by injury. Or maybe they get injured & do a deal with the club so they don't sit injured on a list for a year & take up a list spot.
Retiring against a clubs wish might be different.
Where does that money go if GC have to include it in the cap, but noones getting it? Is it just hypothetical $$, would at least be a saving to GCs bottom line in that case... small win for them lol

Correct .....like Dempster retiring due to injury .....if he retires he gets nothing, but if he retires due to concussion .....he gets paid his contract and paves the way for a compensation claim against the AFL

 

[Pure_Ownage]

yes, but his contract is monumental so even with his age, he would get a single high pick imo, and I'm talking valuing him if he walked out today not end of 2018, this is assuming he cuts and runs early from GC.

You're not understanding FA compo rules the compo pick is not based on the contract at the current club its based on the length and $ of the contract he signs at the NEW club. So if ablett was FA this year (he is not FA until end 2018) and he signed with geelong at 33/34 on s 2yr deal at say 400kpa based on previous precedents (see suckling berger waite etc) they would either get a 3rd rnd compo pick or no compo pick.

This is why GC dont have a strong hand as if they don't trade him he will either retire in which case they get nothing or he will leave under FA 12 months later and they will probably get nothing in that scenario too.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Don't expect a serious reply to the main issue you've raised there eg the contract he willingly pushed for and chose to sign. Seems most people here get that you sign a contract it's your choice but plenty of Geelong fans seem to think because he's been a superstar player rules should be different for him. I've raised it numerous times and funnily enough it's been ignored despite the fact it's simple truth.

Not at all, we fully accept that and if GC decide to go that way thats fine Ablett won't play for geelong.

All we are arguing is a) GC do not have a strong hand to try and get geelong to trade anything significant for him (which is true)

and b) it would be pretty stupid to push him into retirement unless they have a prior agreement will the afl that the whole 1mil in 2018 wont be included in their cap. They are better to trade him for pick 88 just to get some of his salary off their books.