Geelong 2007-2009 vs Essendon 1999-2001

[09wasalwaysours]

As the Cats have been compared to the Bombers failed era until 5:15pm Grand Final day 09, lets take a look at what would actually be a combined side.

The Brisbane v Geelong comparison didn't last long so lets see how long this one lasts until the Blueser supporters rant about there great "era" of 2008.

Here's how it looks:
Backs: Enright, Scarlett, Fletcher
H/B: Milburn, Wellman, Mackie
C: Corey, Bartel, Selwood
H/F: Chapman, Lucas, S.Johnson
F: Mooney, Lloyd, M.Johnson
R: Ottens, Hird, Ablett
Int: Kelly, Ling, Barnes, Mercuri
(14 v 8)
Any obvious misses?

And in previous threads, Brisbane is still at the top of the list.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

As the Cats have been compared to the Bombers failed era until 5:15pm Grand Final day 09, lets take a look at what would actually be a combined side.

The Brisbane v Geelong comparison didn't last long so lets see how long this one lasts until the Blueser supporters rant about there great "era" of 2008.

Here's how it looks:
Backs: Enright, Scarlett, Fletcher
H/B: Milburn, Wellman, Mackie
C: Corey, Bartel, Selwood
H/F: Chapman, Lucas, S.Johnson
F: Mooney, Lloyd, M.Johnson
R: Ottens, Hird, Ablett
Int: Kelly, Ling, Barnes, Mercuri
(14 v 8)
Any obvious misses?

And in previous threads, Brisbane is still at the top of the list.

take wellman out and put Egan in, was an AA CHB in 2007.

 

[OzBomber]

Jason Johnson would be in there easily. He dominated in 00 and 01, winning the BnF in 2001. He was unstoppable.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Jason Johnson would be in there easily. He dominated in 00 and 01, winning the BnF in 2001. He was unstoppable.

mercuri out, jason johnson in on the bench

 

[boncer34]

Is there any chance of you not being biased?

 

[Kong]

Firstly, you have M Johnson in the forward pocket. I hope that's not Mark.

Secondly, Mackie over Hardwick? Please.

Thirdly, Kelly over Jason Johnson? Oh dear.

Fourthly, where's the poll in this thread?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Out: Mooney, Kelly and Mackie In: JJ, Caracella and Hardwick

 

[the fairytales complete]

take wellman out and put Egan in, was an AA CHB in 2007.

So what. Wellman was AA in 2001. Wellman easily stays in.

Calls to leave mecuri out of even the interchange are rediculous. People forget how good that guy was back then. Especially in 99.

As for Mooney. You have got to be kidding me. He is out. Caracella in

 

[BotsMaster]

As for Mooney. You have got to be kidding me. He is out. Caracella in

Agree with this statement. Shame his career ended on a bad note.

 

[09wasalwaysours]

Apologies, poll added.

As for Jason Johnson, yes, should have been him instead of Mark.
Wellman still ahead of Egan. Mooney easily in best 22 of those sides.
Mackie v Hardwick and Kelly v Caracella I'm happy to leave as is.

 

[Jade]

Apologies, poll added.

As for Jason Johnson, yes, should have been him instead of Mark.
Wellman still ahead of Egan. Mooney easily in best 22 of those sides.
Mackie v Hardwick and Kelly v Caracella I'm happy to leave as is.

My only major point of contention from a brief look is definetely Mooney, does not belong in that team in my opinion.

 

[Jade]

I voted Geelong, only because premierships matter more then anything else and they got two.

Had they lost this years Grand Final, I would have voted Essendon.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Just in case you don't realize... Mooney is average at best, even as a third tall he loses out to Barnard. In fact Mooney is probably the worst premiership winning key forward this decade...... Ok, Hansen is worse but not by much.

 

[Bombers1234]

You don't JJ but have Kelly? that's beyond me. Caracella, JJ and Misiti should be in that side.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Essendon 2000 and Geelong 2007 teams were the most similar. Made to look better than what they were. Lack of genuine opponent in either year. Geelong has to considered better because they beat a genuinely tough opponent in a GF (and lost another). Bombers cruised in for the flag in 2000 but were soundly beaten in '01. '99 was what shouldve been.

 

[Ricketts]

Cats easily.

Success is measured by premierships yeah?

And plus our winning ratio for the 3 year span is un-matched i believe.

 

[Kong]

I voted Geelong as premierships are the ultimate measure of success, and as it stands it's 2 to 1.

However that team in the OP is extremely questionable.

 

[OzBomber]

I believe we had the best team, although injuries stopped us achieving greatness, however Geelong have taken the most out of their success so I voted for them.

 

[Donakebab]

OP's team lacks credibility as obviously can't avoid supporter bias. 10 years has made people forget just how good the Essendon team reallly was. Based on '99-'01 form, bold players would have to be considered for a position in the side.


B: 11. Damien Hardwick 31. Dustin Fletcher 1. Mark Johnson
HB: 21. Dean Wallis 6. Sean Wellman 9. Adam Ramanaskuas
C: 32. Justin Blumfield 14. Jason Johnson 7. Dean Soloman
HF: 5. James Hird 25. Scott Lucas 33. Blake Caracella
F: 2. Mark Mercuri 18. Matthew Lloyd 13. Michael Long
R: 22. John Barnes 24. Joe Misiti 26. Chris Heffernan
Int: 27. Steven Alessio 8. Darren Bewick 29. Gary Moorcroft 16. Paul Barnard



I voted Geelong simply because 2 > 1, but that should have no reflection upon selecting a side made from both teams.

 

[09wasalwaysours]

Fair enough Donakebab, don't disagree with any of them and in fact considered Blumfield, Hardwick and Misiti, I didnt even remember Long (oops - but not sure how good he was in that period). But as this has stayed a fairly honest and not yet lambasted poll by other clubs, then I consider it close to the mark. Actually was more about a best 22 than who was better, and as one mentioned, if the Bombers won either of 99 (where you would have just needed to roll up you were that much better than the Roos) or 01 (which always could have gone either way), the poll could end up differently. If that makes sense!

 

[wavefall21]

I can't believe the Cats were being compared to that Essendon side, just cos they were going through a rough patch at the end of the year, I think it's pretty evident that by the results the Cats are a much better team, much much better

 

[demon48]

OP's team lacks credibility as obviously can't avoid supporter bias. 10 years has made people forget just how good the Essendon team reallly was. Based on '99-'01 form, bold players would have to be considered for a position in the side.


B: 11. Damien Hardwick 31. Dustin Fletcher 1. Mark Johnson
HB: 21. Dean Wallis 6. Sean Wellman 9. Adam Ramanaskuas
C: 32. Justin Blumfield 14. Jason Johnson 7. Dean Soloman
HF: 5. James Hird 25. Scott Lucas 33. Blake Caracella
F: 2. Mark Mercuri 18. Matthew Lloyd 13. Michael Long
R: 22. John Barnes 24. Joe Misiti 26. Chris Heffernan
Int: 27. Steven Alessio 8. Darren Bewick 29. Gary Moorcroft 16. Paul Barnard

I voted Geelong simply because 2 > 1, but that should have no reflection upon selecting a side made from both teams.

How did Chris Heffernan and Gary Moorcroft get in the team?

 

[Donakebab]

How did Chris Heffernan and Gary Moorcroft get in the team?

Heffernan was a very good player at Essendon, proven by the fact he played in both grand finals and for his country, the only reason we had to let him go is because we couldn't fit him in the salary cap. Not our fault Melbourne didn't get the return out of him that we did bot times he was on our list.

As for Moorcroft, kicked 68.37 in 51 games across the 3 mentioned seasons. Good figures for any small forward, can't disagree with that.

Are these sour grapes 10 years on, or were you too young to remember that both players were actually pretty good?

 

[boncer34]

The main difference between Essendon and Geelong is that in our tough year we ran into a AFL designed super club that the AFL had determined were going to win flags come hell or high water. 2000-2007 were the easy ones. 1999-2008 were the chokes. 2001-2009 were the tough years. Kudos to Geelong and they win everytime as premiership is 2-1. No doubt.

 

[tin can sam]

Damien Hardwick Matthew Scarlett Dustin Flecther
Corey Enright Sean Wellman Darren Milburn
Jason Johnson Joel Selwood Jimmy Bartel
James Hird Cameron Mooney Steve Johnson
Paul Chapman Matthew Lloyd Mark Mecuri
Brad Ottens Garry Ablett Joel Corey
Scott Lucas Joe Misiti Blake Caracella Cameron Ling

I got 10 vs 12, seems pretty even.

Cameron Mooney is the obvious choice for CHF based on output for that 3 year span, but if you'd prefer to base your decisions on reputation and fantasy, put Lucas at CHF.