Club Focus Geelong 2021 - Stengel, Ceglar, Conway, Knevitt, Willis, Kroeger, Whyte

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Gonna be interesting to see where Geelong go this year.
Do they pick up young kids in the hope of giving them gametime?
Or do they get mature agers from the state leagues in their early 20s as players who fill specific needs on field?
Given they don't have a first rounder I see the latter happening but if they can get a tim kelly or 2 things would look up for them.
Ruck has to be a position of need on field, I'd say small forward too but from all reports they're getting stengle in.
 
Shinboner1 said:
Gonna be interesting to see where Geelong go this year.
Do they pick up young kids in the hope of giving them gametime?
Or do they get mature agers from the state leagues in their early 20s as players who fill specific needs on field?
Given they don't have a first rounder I see the latter happening but if they can get a tim kelly or 2 things would look up for them.
Ruck has to be a position of need on field, I'd say small forward too but from all reports they're getting stengle in.
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We're not drafting a ruck after taking 2x teenage rucks last year.

Also, they're drafting mostly mids (per Wells) who likely won't be needed at senior level next year so there's no reason to go for a mature ager over a kid as long as that kid isn't a total string bean. I don't see a 2nd round level mature age mid mentioned anywhere either. There might be a mature ager taken with a late or rookie pick, but the bulk of our best picks won't be used on one I think.
 
Shinboner1 said:
Gonna be interesting to see where Geelong go this year.
Do they pick up young kids in the hope of giving them gametime?
Or do they get mature agers from the state leagues in their early 20s as players who fill specific needs on field?
Given they don't have a first rounder I see the latter happening but if they can get a tim kelly or 2 things would look up for them.
Ruck has to be a position of need on field, I'd say small forward too but from all reports they're getting stengle in.
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Ruck and small forward would be the two areas we wouldn't look to add to IMO.

We've got Stanley and Ceglar as senior rucks, then we took a ruck with a second round pick last year & rookied a Basketballer under Cat B to develop as a ruck. Then you have Blitz, Sav & SDK who could all potentially chop out as 2nd ruck.

Stengle will be added as a small forward, we've got Miers and Close, plus Evans coming through who we need to play to see whether or not he will cut it or not after a couple of years on the list. Then Dahlhaus is still on the list but hopefully as VFL only.

I think the only mature age player we would look at would be a key back as some coverage with Henderson retiring.

The mid season draft kills mature agers a bit for the end of the year.
 
Hamingja said:
Ruck and small forward would be the two areas we wouldn't look to add to IMO.

We've got Stanley and Ceglar as senior rucks, then we took a ruck with a second round pick last year & rookied a Basketballer under Cat B to develop as a ruck. Then you have Blitz, Sav & SDK who could all potentially chop out as 2nd ruck.

Stengle will be added as a small forward, we've got Miers and Close, plus Evans coming through who we need to play to see whether or not he will cut it or not after a couple of years on the list. Then Dahlhaus is still on the list but hopefully as VFL only.

I think the only mature age player we would look at would be a key back as some coverage with Henderson retiring.

The mid season draft kills mature agers a bit for the end of the year.
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I did mention that stengle comes in and fills a need.
Where do you see Geelong using their draft picks?
 
Shinboner1 said:
I did mention that stengle comes in and fills a need.
Where do you see Geelong using their draft picks?
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Our extended midfield rotation next year will likely be Selwood, Dangerfield, Duncan, Menegola, Smith, Guthrie, Parfitt and Holmes. O'Connor might also be included.

we are absolutely desperate for young midfielders.
 
Ricky Vaughn said:
Our extended midfield rotation next year will likely be Selwood, Dangerfield, Duncan, Menegola, Smith, Guthrie, Parfitt and Holmes. O'Connor might also be included.

we are absolutely desperate for young midfielders.
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but they'll just end up like constable and narkle and not get games?
 
Shinboner1 said:
but they'll just end up like constable and narkle and not get games?
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Constable was delisted for a reason. Narkle still doesn't run out games despite being pretty good in other areas. A good 2nd round midfielder selection won't take much to push past them. Rucks, small forwards, half backs, and tall forwards would be the ones stuck in the 2s forever not mids/wings/hff.

We'll pick up 2nd round level mids, give them a year in the vfl, then we'll have heaps of midfield spots up for grabs at the exact point those kids are pushing for AFL games.

EDIT: check the ages of the mids. You'll see that we have a retirement issue in the midfield end of 2022. We don't have that elsewhere on the list
 
Hamingja said:
Constable and Narkle were in their 4th and 5th year this year and had too many senior players in front of them. If we draft mids now they will get games by default in 2-3 years so they won't be in the same situation as those guys.
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So your young mids are still going to be relegated to the VFL for the next 2-3 years with very limited hope of playing consistent AFL games until then?
 

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CatToTheFuture said:
Do the maths. You've listed 2 players, one of whom has just been delisted, to replace like 5 players
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Selwood, Dangerfield, Duncan, Menegola, Smith, Guthrie, Parfitt and Holmes + O'connor was mentioned as your extended midfield rotation.
Which of those wont be regulars in your midfield to give the 2021 draftees a chance to play senior games?
 
Ricky Vaughn said:
Good point.

New strategy will be to pass each selection. It’s bold, but I think it might work.
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the point was that things wont change until something fundamentally does.
Obviously depth is important and Geelong as the picks for it.
But you cant afford to just draft midfielders and have them stuck in the vfl for the next 2-3 years while you said for oldies to retire.
 
Shinboner1 said:
So your young mids are still going to be relegated to the VFL for the next 2-3 years with very limited hope of playing consistent AFL games until then?
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Cooper Stephens (2019 - Pick 16) will play a lot of games next year, if he's fit and good to go. Same goes with Holmes (he played 12 games this year with a stacked midfield). Whoever we draft this year, will absolutely have a chance to immediately push for games, as there'll be ample opportunity for them whenever there's injury/older players are rested (as per Steve Hocking's comments over the past couple of weeks).

Selwood will retire end of next year, and play less game time next year. Danger will transition forward in his twilight - which will probably be 2023 - , Higgins will be gone end of next year and won't play many AFL games (will only play at half forward if he does), and Smith will finish up either end of next year or the year after. Duncan plays half forward now, and can pretty much play anywhere, while Menegola likes to play wing and can play half-forward too. O'Connor is more of a defender than mid, but that could change too in the future - unsure on that.

At that point, you have only Guthrie and Parfitt as senior players who will be getting consistent mid time come 2023. That's 1 year of VFL (which is pretty standard), with an opportunity to kick out senior players if they prove themselves early on - someone like Zac Taylor, Sam Butler, Mitch Knevitt, Tom Brown etc. could come in and play immediately.

I fully expect to see at least one, if not two, of the draftees, along with Holmes (and Stephens if he stays fit and entrenches himself), alongside Guth and Parf as the inside mid rotations, come 2023. It's a huge area of need for us, and it's why Wells has been so strong in his commentary around us focusing on mids in this draft. There might be one mature ager (highly doubt it given the depth of young talent in that second round but still possible), but largely, it will be youth and a focus to the future, while also focusing on the young talent we have now.
 
Shinboner1 said:
the point was that things wont change until something fundamentally does.
Obviously depth is important and Geelong as the picks for it.
But you cant afford to just draft midfielders and have them stuck in the vfl for the next 2-3 years while you said for oldies to retire.
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So we shouldn’t draft young mids, who should we draft?
 
Shinboner1 said:
the point was that things wont change until something fundamentally does.
Obviously depth is important and Geelong as the picks for it.
But you cant afford to just draft midfielders and have them stuck in the vfl for the next 2-3 years while you said for oldies to retire.
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This argument falls a little flat, when you consider that every side has the same issue. As long as you blood them intermittently, that's all you can ask.

I mean, how many games did Lazarro and Ford get last year? How many games will your Pick 20ish and your picks in the 40's get next year, with JHF guaranteed to play all games, and CCJ coming in too?

How many games is Xerri going to be stuck behind Goldstein, and now CCJ for? Has barely played a game and was retained despite Saints offering a pick to pry him out? Does Will Phillips get less games by virtue of more exposure to other players? It's all a balancing act, and some players get in immediately, while others bide their time.

You can't act like we're the only team with depth, and that's preventing others from playing. You guys have one of the more shallow lists, and there's plenty of younger guys who can't get a game either. That's just how drafting works. There's always new players coming in every year, so your depth grows every year. 2 years in nothing in the VFL, as long as you're getting exposure in a game here or there.
 
Shinboner1 said:
Selwood, Dangerfield, Duncan, Menegola, Smith, Guthrie, Parfitt and Holmes + O'connor was mentioned as your extended midfield rotation.
Which of those wont be regulars in your midfield to give the 2021 draftees a chance to play senior games?
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Not about 2022, it's about 2023. In which case Selwood won't be there at a minimum, Dangerfield will start to spend most of his time forward, Smith won't be there, Duncan and Menegolas recent injury history suggests we shouldn't expect full seasons from them, O'Connor I liked as a defensive type midfielder but he played just as much HBF this season and just as likely to stay there. Guthrie and Parfitt really the only ones you could set your watch to and Parfitts injury history doesn't look great either.

Our need for young mids is so great that other positions shouldn't even be in the conversation really.
 
Shinboner1 said:
the point was that things wont change until something fundamentally does.
Obviously depth is important and Geelong as the picks for it.
But you cant afford to just draft midfielders and have them stuck in the vfl for the next 2-3 years while you said for oldies to retire.
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Half those oldies won't be there in 2023 and the 2021 draftees are contracted for that season
 
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