He is which is exactly why we need to hit the draft for more mids.
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He is which is exactly why we need to hit the draft for more mids.
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The only weakness in Geelong's line up is ruck.
Jordan Sweet, Max Lynch, Lloyd Meek would all be both short term + long term options that improve Geelong's weakest line at virtually no cost.
Not sure Rhys Stanley is the answer and Blicavs is more valuable elsewhere.
Jordan Sweet, Max Lynch, Lloyd Meek would all be both short term + long term options that improve Geelong's weakest line at virtually no cost.
Not sure Rhys Stanley is the answer and Blicavs is more valuable elsewhere.
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for a 1st rd you can have Blitz
Genuinely think they should let Guthrie walk. He's not as good as his stats would say, he is a panic player when he is about to get tackled, interesting to see how many flat footed teammates would have been tackled from receiving a 2m handball. Get a very solid pick for him - slight chance of band 1 (~18 after Darcy & Daicos), likely be band 2 (~21ish).
Constable and Narkle minimal trade value as uncontracted, I'd keep one and try bring into the side and push for a pick in the early 3rd round for the other. Markov got that for Richmond last year, similar story for these 2.
Higgins, Jenkins, Henderson retire. I'd be looking to push Stanley, Rohan and Dahlhaus too but might be one year too soon to push these guys out, the first 2 are still serviceable and Dahlhaus is contracted.
Really need to see Rat, Kreuger, Holmes, Clark and a Constable/Narkle type establish themselves in 2022 and push out the old B & C graders - the better ones such as Hawkins, Smith, Duncan, Danger etc don't need to be done with yet.
Close, Parfitt, O'Connor, Atkins is a start for the 2nd tier being better than the current support crop.
Constable and Narkle minimal trade value as uncontracted, I'd keep one and try bring into the side and push for a pick in the early 3rd round for the other. Markov got that for Richmond last year, similar story for these 2.
Higgins, Jenkins, Henderson retire. I'd be looking to push Stanley, Rohan and Dahlhaus too but might be one year too soon to push these guys out, the first 2 are still serviceable and Dahlhaus is contracted.
Really need to see Rat, Kreuger, Holmes, Clark and a Constable/Narkle type establish themselves in 2022 and push out the old B & C graders - the better ones such as Hawkins, Smith, Duncan, Danger etc don't need to be done with yet.
Close, Parfitt, O'Connor, Atkins is a start for the 2nd tier being better than the current support crop.
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Fairly on the money but the only thing of disagree with is letting Guthrie walk. Worth more to us for 3-4 years than pick 20. You need a couple of mids to hold structure
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I agree with that. Mids and dangerous small forwards.
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I would leave spots open in the forward line for midfield draftees so we can give them a rotation in the middle and blood them while we still have seniors to rotate through there.
I think leg speed is a non-negotiable for drafted mids and any that have a demonstrated ability to impact forward, even if it's not their preferred position is what we need. Might get 3 Lachie Fogartys but even that's not the worst outcome.
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Disagree on Guthrie but generally agree on the rest.
I wouldn't be against 1 year deals for Stanley and Henderson but it would be on the proviso that they don't play much in H&A and only come in towards finals if they're easily in our best 22. Maybe same for Dahlhaus as he's really respected around the club.
Constable just isn't good enough. Narkle might be if he puts it all together but probably will be offered better than a 1-2 year deal we put in front of him.
We really need Simpson to get a full season under his belt because he's clearly got the talent to step up. Holmes looks a super talent and should be a permanent fixture. The others outside the team that have shown the most are Evans and De Koning who we need to get games in to and Stephens who is highly rated but perennially injured. Clark the other who has talent but needs to take another big step up.
I read Geelong fans want to rebuild but is it even really an option next year?
Obviously Geelong could prioritise kids next year when picking the side but I don’t really see any of their over 28s as good candidates to be traded for more picks.
In order of trade value:
Cameron - untouchable
Stewart - untouchable
Dangerfield - untouchable
Guthrie - Just re-signed
Duncan and Menengola - maybe
All the rest too old to have any value.
Barring injuries I just think they’ll be too good next year to go full rebuild mode. Obviously need to transition as many older players out of the side as they can though.
Obviously Geelong could prioritise kids next year when picking the side but I don’t really see any of their over 28s as good candidates to be traded for more picks.
In order of trade value:
Cameron - untouchable
Stewart - untouchable
Dangerfield - untouchable
Guthrie - Just re-signed
Duncan and Menengola - maybe
All the rest too old to have any value.
Barring injuries I just think they’ll be too good next year to go full rebuild mode. Obviously need to transition as many older players out of the side as they can though.
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Cats fans call for a rebuild every year.
It's interesting because we have had two senior coaches poached and one rumoured to have hard an argument and possibly quit.
A full assistant clean out means a new playing style no matter how you spin it so in some sense, even with all the same players it's a rebuild.
I think they'll take the opportunity to take the current side as far as they can next year with new assistants so they can get the new coaching group off to a good start before they launch at full restructuring of the playing group. This way new coaches have time to identify the structural pieces they want maintained and the holes they'll need to fill.
I think they start the year with essentially the same b22 but with a clean slate that means players will not have the runs on the board to support sustained poor performance. This may mean some first selected types find themselves dropped. The aim will be the same as last year, but with different ideas on how to get there.
Are we a shot? Probably not but worth the shot regardless. More than anything this is an opportunity to get the new coaching group off to a solid start so that when the playing group starts turning over they have a solid base and shared ideas. So the more 2022 wins the better.
We will still probably add someone like a Talia even just as a way to get an extra development coach outside the soft cap. New coaches might set the same expectation with Higgins as a mentor to players rather than a player himself.
So yeah. Rebuilding and firing our last shot at not mutually incompatible goals.
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"Geelong has locked in a number of players, with contract extensions agreed with Rhys Stanley, Gary Rohan, Brad Close, Zach Guthrie and Francis Evans."
For anyone interested, Footywire now has a form where you can let them know if their contract info is out of date. So if the sticky is wrong, you can use the form to let them know
I've included the link in the sticky as well.
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You would have to think Oscar Brownless is in trouble.
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Him and constable are gone if they dont find a trade i reckon. That would give us 5 senior and 2 rookie list spots (plus one cat b) pending clark and fort trades.
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Geelong were imo the 2nd best h&a team this season.
They aren't going to push all their chips in only to bail on the bet one year in.
They will be right in the mix. They and their supporters (the sane ones anyway) know a fall is coming and suspect it might be a big one, the can either double down and have another crack, or try and trade a handful of senior players and sit mid table for a year or two before the drop.
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Yeah I agree they should push on with the plan just saying I’ve seen a lot Geelong supporter suggest they should start rebuilding.
I was just pointing out that it isn’t even a real option. I for one am hoping they’ll push on with the plan as good older players are still undervalued in the league.
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Yeah the longer this goes on the more I think Chook is delisted. Maybe we rookie him but I'd rather look at a mature age rookie from a state league
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I think we will delist him for flexibility with spots but we might rookie him.
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Yep.
I dont love it when Geelong win, obviously, but I like most of their players and I've always had a soft spot for the older teams...
Personally, I'm hoping they do go hard this year, miss out again and then enter a brutal rebuild!
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Cats will never fully rebuild as we cant bottom out with so many home games, even during our worst days we finished 12th 11th 12th 9th 12th
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You look at our list this year and it's not like we had a great run with injury but still finished comfortably top 4. Even if we traded out someone like Menegola who might have some value if Cameron, Duncan, Dangerfield, Stewart and O'Connor have a decent injury run it would take a big drop off to miss the 8. Hawkins is the key older player. Smith, Selwood and Tuohy had solid years but weren't doing anything spectacular.
So yeah we'd be nuts to do anything but go again this year. That doesn't mean loading up this off season but we can introduce young players while still aiming for a flag.
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Neither suit what we need in terms of player types so i dont think its likely.
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we don't have a magic salary cap
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Yeah you would need some incredible bad luck to miss the 8. Should be right in the mix for another year or 3.
Youve traded out Krueger and probably Clark. Look like trading in Ceglar who is 30. Its clear what the aim is right now and if I was a cats fan I would be all over it, go hard while you have a special team.
If you think that you can introduce enough young players to stave off the drop at the same time though, you're going to have a bad time.
Would like to have seen us more aggressive in trading players.
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All should be on the table. We need 20-24 year Olds in the midfield and a ruck like lynch, why didn't we trade him for Krueger?
