Club Focus Geelong 2023 - Reportedly open to trading their first round pick

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[CatToTheFuture]

I reckon he'd play plenty of 1s next year for the Demons probably as a high half forward with bursts on ball. Whilst Melbourne have a great 1st rotation midfield their depth is actually pretty poor. Oliver, Trac, Viney, Brayshaw then it drops off quite a bit.

I dunno, I like Sanders but he seems like he has 2 positions. On baller at senior level, and on baller at vfl level. Their depth drops off, but not in the next couple of years. Just seems a waste of a pick for them.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

This should just be stickied at the top of every Geelong thread. Been hearing about this impending cliff for the best part of the last decade and a half yet just about every other team bar Geelong have fallen off it at some point before we have.

This should also be stickied as its the go to response from some cats fans these days.

The list leaving in the next couple of years is huge and they just finished 12th.

Hawk, Tuohy, Danger, Stanley, Blitz, Rohan, Duncan, Guthrie, Stewart, Jezza are all over 30 and most are injury prone, Bews nearly there too. Thats the core of the team.


Who are Geelong's top 10 players taking them to finals in 3 years? In no order Stengle, Atkins, Holmes and the Henrys stand out but are they elite? Bruhn, Miers and DK are solid. Clark unproven. Can these guys lead the team?

They were the oldest premier in history beating the 18 Eagles who beat the 15 Hawks and we know what happened to those two clubs soon after...

Im not knocking them, they have a been a strong club for years and they went all in for a flag and got it, its how the system works.

 

[Sphynx]

Depends if caddy goes to melb and osullivan to gws but otherwise i agree.
If caddy is there at 8 i can see melb coming with 11 and other picks and i think adelaide or sydney might come for osullivan.

North I think will be very interested in both come draft night.

 

[STPer18]

This should also be stickied as its the go to response from some cats fans these days.

The list leaving in the next couple of years is huge and they just finished 12th.

Hawk, Tuohy, Danger, Stanley, Blitz, Rohan, Duncan, Guthrie, Stewart, Jezza are all over 30 and most are injury prone, Bews nearly there too. Thats the core of the team.


Who are Geelong's top 10 players taking them to finals in 3 years? In no order Stengle, Atkins, Holmes and the Henrys stand out but are they elite? Bruhn, Miers and DK are solid. Clark unproven. Can these guys lead the team?

They were the oldest premier in history beating the 18 Eagles who beat the 15 Hawks and we know what happened to those two clubs soon after...

Im not knocking them, they have a been a strong club for years and they went all in for a flag and got it, its how the system works.

It's been the go to response for a good reason considering how often the prediction has missed the mark for nigh on a decade, so if/when it eventually happens you can hardly expect us to dub the doomsayers as the next Nostradamus. Geelong's list was analyzed to the nth degree after the shellacking we copped at the end of 2021 and nobody would've predicted we'd pull out one of the most dominant seasons we've seen in a while in 2022, so you can see why I'd like to wait for some actual results before categorically declaring anything one way or another.

Will be more than happy to discuss 'The Cliff™' when we reach it but a bit of context doesn't go astray - ie we finished 12th after one of the more horrid runs of injury you could expect, many of which were contact based (Stanley breaking his face, SDK breaking his face, Cameron getting knocked out by Rohan and busting his shoulder etc).

Do I think we're going to be a Top 4, premiership contender next year? Not particularly. But I'd label something like Hawthorn's predicament of the last half-decade as what it truly means to fall off a cliff, where we're talking not even a solitary finals victory since 2015 and ladder finishes in the last four completed seasons of 15th, 14th, 13th, and then back down to 16th this season - not just a single isolated season of missing finals in a very long time.

 

[cats1963]

This should also be stickied as its the go to response from some cats fans these days.

The list leaving in the next couple of years is huge and they just finished 12th.

Hawk, Tuohy, Danger, Stanley, Blitz, Rohan, Duncan, Guthrie, Stewart, Jezza are all over 30 and most are injury prone, Bews nearly there too. Thats the core of the team.


Who are Geelong's top 10 players taking them to finals in 3 years? In no order Stengle, Atkins, Holmes and the Henrys stand out but are they elite? Bruhn, Miers and DK are solid. Clark unproven. Can these guys lead the team?

They were the oldest premier in history beating the 18 Eagles who beat the 15 Hawks and we know what happened to those two clubs soon after...

Im not knocking them, they have a been a strong club for years and they went all in for a flag and got it, its how the system works.

I do not disagree with you. The end is coming for a fair few champions. Some that you simply can't replace. But I wonder if we will give it a crack. Is dangling this year's first rounder something that will see us trade for a first rounder next year, then use a couple of those to try to land a big fish or two? I dunno. But you aren't wrong when you say that a lot of great players are at the back end of their careers and it can be a little hard to see where the next champions are coming from.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

This should also be stickied as its the go to response from some cats fans these days.

The list leaving in the next couple of years is huge and they just finished 12th.

Hawk, Tuohy, Danger, Stanley, Blitz, Rohan, Duncan, Guthrie, Stewart, Jezza are all over 30 and most are injury prone, Bews nearly there too. Thats the core of the team.


Who are Geelong's top 10 players taking them to finals in 3 years? In no order Stengle, Atkins, Holmes and the Henrys stand out but are they elite? Bruhn, Miers and DK are solid. Clark unproven. Can these guys lead the team?

They were the oldest premier in history beating the 18 Eagles who beat the 15 Hawks and we know what happened to those two clubs soon after...

Im not knocking them, they have a been a strong club for years and they went all in for a flag and got it, its how the system works.

The standard response is accurate, but the lack of 25-30 year olds this time is a bit alarming.

The kids coming through I think have several solid role players but we're missing the elite tier kids with the possible exceptions of Holmes, Clark, OHenry and Conway. Maybe SDK in that category.

Confident the club is playing it the best they can, and if it doesn't work out no one can say we didn't have a crack

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

We definitely need a couple elite mids and a elite KPF in the next 2 years. Easier said than done though.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

I do not disagree with you. The end is coming for a fair few champions. Some that you simply can't replace. But I wonder if we will give it a crack. Is dangling this year's first rounder something that will see us trade for a first rounder next year, then use a couple of those to try to land a big fish or two? I dunno. But you aren't wrong when you say that a lot of great players are at the back end of their careers and it can be a little hard to see where the next champions are coming from.

May as well to be honest. Push the chips in while the guns are still playing good footy and hope for a clean injury list in August/September. I cant see it personally but its worth a shot.

Their draw will be easier next year anyway

 

[The 747]

May as well to be honest. Push the chips in while the guns are still playing good footy and hope for a clean injury list in August/September. I cant see it personally but its worth a shot.

Their draw will be easier next year anyway

You could have probably said the same about our season in 2022. Everything went right, and then in 2023 everything went wrong.

Tricky to predict next year for the Cats.

 

[Vindicater]

Reckon they are likely to trade back for two of those North picks in the late teens.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Reckon they are likely to trade back for two of those North picks in the late teens.

Mackie said he loves the spot our pick sits and he thinks the draft becomes very even soon after our pick. If that's the case it makes no sense to trade back for teens picks this year.

I reckon most likely we just take the pick. If we trade it I expect most of the value comes from future picks.

 

[RanaNaved]

Yeah, I can't see the Cats trading out of a really good spot for a couple of late teens picks

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Mackie said he loves the spot our pick sits and he thinks the draft becomes very even soon after our pick

But the counterpoint is perhaps that it becomes even just before your pick.

 

[The 747]

But the counterpoint is perhaps that it becomes even just before your pick.

I imagine we have a player or two in mind for the pick, but if those players are gone earlier we might trade down.

 

[Caligo]

Assuming Sanders is available he feels like a perfect selection based on need for Geelong. Seems foolish to trade to me, unless the offer is serious overs.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Reckon they are likely to trade back for two of those North picks in the late teens.

If we trade 8 it will be for a good future 1st (from a bottom 8 team) we have already rejected offers involving late teens picks this year and we dont want them as thats where the draft drops off. We might take 10 and 14/20 from adel (not that they offer it) but other than that it will be a trade for future picks.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Assuming Sanders is available he feels like a perfect selection based on need for Geelong. Seems foolish to trade to me, unless the offer is serious overs.

If we trade it it will only be live after gws pick when we know who is there. We wont trade it before.

 

[Caligo]

If we trade it it will only be live after gws pick when we know who is there. We wont trade it before.

Makes a lot of sense.

 

[Keystone agony]

I wouldve thought Geelong wouldve been happy to be at the end of the tier that Twomey has mentioned several times

They must see it differently

Wouldve thought theyd love any of Sanders, Watson, Caddy or Osullivan.... whoever was there

I know theyve publicly said they want mids but they have recruited Bowes and Bruhn as mids, went for a pure mid at 8 last year in J.Clark and then theyve seen Holmes flourish. Not to mention Knevitt and Parfitt still around

I know any club needs many more than that and they take time, but youd think theyd be ok with an Osullivan than the best mid available at pick 25

 

[Ash1337]

I think Geelong should trade down for 15 & 17 and go for 2 of De Mattia, Leake, Stevens, Wilson, Tholstrup.

 

[Tristan34]

I think Geelong should trade down for 15 & 17 and go for 2 of De Mattia, Leake, Stevens, Wilson, Tholstrup.

Geelong will probably only trade 8 if they are offered overs like others have suggested. Geelong already has pick 26, so they can take a shot for a kid in that draft range.

 

[Footy Smarts]

I wouldve thought Geelong wouldve been happy to be at the end of the tier that Twomey has mentioned several times

They must see it differently

Wouldve thought theyd love any of Sanders, Watson, Caddy or Osullivan.... whoever was there

I know theyve publicly said they want mids but they have recruited Bowes and Bruhn as mids, went for a pure mid at 8 last year in J.Clark and then theyve seen Holmes flourish. Not to mention Knevitt and Parfitt still around

I know any club needs many more than that and they take time, but youd think theyd be ok with an Osullivan than the best mid available at pick 25

This "Geelong is willing to trade their first pick" is overblown. Mackie literally said he thinks our pick falls in a great spot and that we would only trade it for "a bounty" of picks.

I'm also not convinced we're targeting mids specifically. Geelong does a lot to put people off their scent like not re-interviewing players they're interested in so others don't get on the scent. Many draftees have said they didn't think Geelong were interested in them because they only spoke to them once.

My bet is there are certain players we will just pick if they're available. We might look to trade up if there's a specific player we want who is still there a couple of picks before us. Or if we're not completely sold on who is left at our pick we might trade it for what looks like overs because there will be a player left with massive wraps on him at our pick. But nobody knows who we're keen on.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Makes a lot of sense.

I think our decision will depend on who gets to 9 (im calling it 9 as walter will be bid before then and maybe read which makes it 10) out of the reid/walter/mckercher/duursma/sanders/curtin/watson/caddy/osullivan/leake/wilson group.

If sanders is there i think we just take him as he fills an obvious need.
I think we will do the same if its curtin (unless wce offer us overs like an fr1 straight up for him) and leake is a very wells pick.
But if sanders goes to wbd and curtin to melb and leake to gws all of which is possible then it gets more interesting.

I like caddy but he doesnt fill as much of a need nor does watson (though watson is way more chance to go before our pick) so in that scenario i can see us trading 9 if we are offered overs.

But mackie and the team have been clear that a) we arent trading unless the deal is very good and b) we have been planning to use a few back end picks and the combination of that and how many retirements we will have next year means if we trade 9 it will be out into 2024 not back into mid range picks this year.

Realistically we probably arent trading 9 unless wce/nm/haw offer us a fr1 straight up (those teams we would back to be bottom 6) or someone like freo offers us 2 of their future 1sts (ie freos and collingwoods for example). I think both of those things are unlikely so its more likely we just use the pick unless its say the 11 and 15 or 11 and 21 deal from adel.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

The only reason I can see the Cats do it is the 2 first round picks in 4 years rule.

If they want to trade hard in future years then getting 2 x firsts for one this year helps them have more flexibility.

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[Ash1337]

Geelong will probably only trade 8 if they are offered overs like others have suggested. Geelong already has pick 26, so they can take a shot for a kid in that draft range.

I think it's who is still there at 8. If 1 of Caddy or Curtin is still there then it's very valuable but the top 7 seems to be set as Reid, Curtin, Duursma, McKercher, Sanders, Watson, Caddy. Every other player considered for the first round are about even.