GFL Geelong Football League - 2010

[frank grimes jnr]

reading your over re-action to the topic seems YOU aren't pleased with whats being said so not quite sure the out burst is needed, anyway i enjoy the chats about grovedale like i said before i know a couple of guys there that have played for ages and some new guys too. just felt that you seem to be a spectator that is on and off them every few weeks maybe very much like they have been playing up and down, but don't jump on and have a crack at the guys that have put in a pre season that apparently started back in november and DO HAVE A CRACK under a fair bit you duress week in week out. if thats how you support maybe you should F**K OFF and DON'T WATCH.

 

[BrownSugar]

I think I speak for the rest of the group when I say that we are all over the Grovedale issue. Young Frank, if you have just come on here to defend your club and slag the blokes that have been offering what on the surface appears to be constructive criticism, then you've done what you came here for. Otherwise, possibly we could look forward to you bringing something to the table shortly as well.

 

[Big Jablonski]

Two things are certain in Football and that is each year there is a premier and a wooden spoon. When someone wins someone has to lose.
Here are my thoughts on the year so far.

Biggest Improver(s):Lara have been very impressive and taken it up to and beaten all comers. The gauge I use is percentage and they have improved 28% since last year. They have been blessed with 4 yellow cards in final quarters this season and have won these games due to this advantage.Donati up and firing has helped immensely. Good young quick exuberant side that will do very well in finals.
St Albans is the other major improver being 5 wins ahead of same time last year and over 30% better. A couple of things going there way ie yellow cards twice against Lara costing them big time may have even had them in the mix come finals time.
Biggest Disappointment: Colac have dropped 7 wins and over 65% since last year and this would have to be the biggest fall from grace. Next on the list is South Barwon who have dropped 3 wins and 61% from this time last year. It also tells me that the competition is closing up and apparently this is what supporters of the lower sides want.
I wouldn't say that Grovedale and Newtown Chillwell haven't been disappointing in so much as they haven't improved in direct association
with the pre-season hype. Grovey dropping 3 wins but percentage similar and Newtown 1 win and similar percentage to last season.
Best CoachCoaching Staff) This is always a collective thing for me because one person cannot do this job alone and the assistants and bench staff always go unheralded. Harris and his group from Lara has done a wonderful Job and is deserving of any accolades that come his way. Has done it quietly, professionally, and slowly building up to be a genuine contender. Well done to all involved at the Snakepit.
Biggest Surprise:I still think that is yet to come in the GFL but I am looking forward to it.
Premiers:3 weeks ago it was Bell Park by far the best team I had come across for the year. This was after witnessing one of the most devastating quarters of 1st Division Football I had seen in a decade by Sth Barwon. However Lara has just tipped the GFL on its head. I will go with Bell Park over Lara.
Pretenders: Agree St Joeys, just middle of the road for mine and will not do any damage in the finals whatsoever.
Overacheived: Cant actually say Leopold as losing 6 games so far for the season with 5 of those by less than 4 points says that they are where they should be however a couple of key position recruits will do them wonders. A young quick small side that has only one big loss and that was to Bell Park. have increased percentage by a large margin from this time last season. A good side for a new coach to take over. Look out next year if they retain their list and add to it.
I dont think you can really overachieve in footy as you really do only get out of it what you put in.
Best Individual Effort: Aaron Jones 13 goals v GWSP. Did it just superbly without being a knucklehead. Why didn't Doug Scott make a move earlier than a dozen. Poor bloke.
One Last Thing: Read surprise.
Medal winner:No idea
Medal Smokey:Ben Evans
Best Player(s) Seen this year: Lavars and Wells

 

[tim finnigan]

reading your over re-action to the topic seems YOU aren't pleased with whats being said so not quite sure the out burst is needed, anyway i enjoy the chats about grovedale like i said before i know a couple of guys there that have played for ages and some new guys too. just felt that you seem to be a spectator that is on and off them every few weeks maybe very much like they have been playing up and down, but don't jump on and have a crack at the guys that have put in a pre season that apparently started back in november and DO HAVE A CRACK under a fair bit you duress week in week out. if thats how you support maybe you should F**K OFF and DON'T WATCH.

Mate im there win,lose or draw just like i will be 2moro at Bell Park hoping the boys can give the dragons a big scare like they did earlier in the season.

Whats everyones thoughts on sunday's meetings between the 3 leagues? Will anything come of it? Personally i doubt anything will change but at least Football Geelongs finally started to seriously look into the promotion/relegation side of things.

 

[muttonchops]

Mate im there win,lose or draw just like i will be 2moro at Bell Park hoping the boys can give the dragons a big scare like they did earlier in the season.

Whats everyones thoughts on sunday's meetings between the 3 leagues? Will anything come of it? Personally i doubt anything will change but at least Football Geelongs finally started to seriously look into the promotion/relegation side of things.

If the GFL clubs want to pull their heads out of their arses for the betterment of football in Geelong as a whole then it might go somewhere. But promotion/relegation will be best suited when all three leagues are involved in my opinion.

Just picture the ladders as they are now.

In the GFL North Shore relegated.
But Grovedale and Geelong West would be fighting out for relegation. (assuming bottom 2 go down).

In the BFL Newcomb would be gone but Modewarre and Portarlington would be fighting it out.

So there are therefore 4 teams who still actually have something to play for. Isnt that better for the game than just playing out the season for nothing.

And wouldnt it be better for Newcomb and Nth Shore next year to drop a level to actually win some games.

I feel like i am going over old ground but i really think it is a great idea.

 

[tim finnigan]

If the GFL clubs want to pull their heads out of their arses for the betterment of football in Geelong as a whole then it might go somewhere. But promotion/relegation will be best suited when all three leagues are involved in my opinion.

Just picture the ladders as they are now.

In the GFL North Shore relegated.
But Grovedale and Geelong West would be fighting out for relegation. (assuming bottom 2 go down).

In the BFL Newcomb would be gone but Modewarre and Portarlington would be fighting it out.

So there are therefore 4 teams who still actually have something to play for. Isnt that better for the game than just playing out the season for nothing.

And wouldnt it be better for Newcomb and Nth Shore next year to drop a level to actually win some games.

I feel like i am going over old ground but i really think it is a great idea.

By the sound of it, if it happens for the 2012 season it'll be 2 divisions with the GDFL maybe joining later on down the track. Could be interesting if it comes down to a vote coz id imagine alot of clubs would be very interested in it going ahead but you could put ya house on it that a few certain GFL clubs would be dead against it (wont name names here)

The restructure of u18 footy is another interesting topic that'll be discussed on sunday. Personally im against having your u18's playing in a different comp to your seniors, but after seeing some of the scores from the 3 comps over the wknd maybe something has to be done? I remember back in my u18 days, We won the flag one year and Geelong West finished last but we would only beat em by maybe 15-16 goals. Sure thats a bit of a touch up but these days we regulary see sides getting flogged by 150-200 points and thats not good for anybody.

 

[both ways]

personally i think that the relagation system works well in an environment were the bottom teams in say " div 1" are just as good as the top few sides in the " div 2". and visa versa. however in this case i doubt whether a top BFL side would be competitive against a lower GFL side. the only team to really push a side in the GFL would be Geelong Ammos, although not last yrs premiers, i still think they are the most structured side in the BFL. ppl talk of the difference of the two leagues, some say very little others say alot. in my time of watching i would say that the pace / skilset / and team structures of GFL to BFL is a very different.. ( even in lower ladder GFL sides). Also from what it seems the BFL is taking very little steps forward if any for that matter in the way of improving the leagues status as one of the best.
i do however believe that at under 18 level, the idea of mixing the leagues, is not such a bad one. BFL junior sides i think are alot better than GFL ones, and im sure the leagues could come up with some sort of idea which ensures the younger lads arnt getting pumped week in week out and ruining there desire to continue on with there football at a senior level...

thoughts...........

 

[BrownSugar]

Great win by West over St Albans today in a ripping game to watch. Supersaints 5 goals to 1 up at qtr time with many wasted chances and should have been closer to 10 goals upbut for some poor deciSion making on their fwd line. West then came out full of fire in front of the old St Peters' faithfulto kick 9-1 in the second. West then maintained their four goal lead until late in the last when StA banged on four in a row to get to within a point. The final four or five minutes were then a scramble with a last gasp attempt at goal by StA saved on the line. Ruckman Walsh and half back Meleisea the best for the Roosters. Aaron Jones very well held for two goals from about five kicks. Think Shane Jack kicked 4. Very large crowd for the club's first win since Round 3 and fantastic scenes in the rooms following.

 

[tim finnigan]

personally i think that the relagation system works well in an environment were the bottom teams in say " div 1" are just as good as the top few sides in the " div 2". and visa versa. however in this case i doubt whether a top BFL side would be competitive against a lower GFL side. the only team to really push a side in the GFL would be Geelong Ammos, although not last yrs premiers, i still think they are the most structured side in the BFL. ppl talk of the difference of the two leagues, some say very little others say alot. in my time of watching i would say that the pace / skilset / and team structures of GFL to BFL is a very different.. ( even in lower ladder GFL sides). Also from what it seems the BFL is taking very little steps forward if any for that matter in the way of improving the leagues status as one of the best.
i do however believe that at under 18 level, the idea of mixing the leagues, is not such a bad one. BFL junior sides i think are alot better than GFL ones, and im sure the leagues could come up with some sort of idea which ensures the younger lads arnt getting pumped week in week out and ruining there desire to continue on with there football at a senior level...

thoughts...........

Joking yeah?

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Great win by West over St Albans today in a ripping game to watch. Supersaints 5 goals to 1 up at qtr time with many wasted chances and should have been closer to 10 goals upbut for some poor deciSion making on their fwd line. West then came out full of fire in front of the old St Peters' faithfulto kick 9-1 in the second. West then maintained their four goal lead until late in the last when StA banged on four in a row to get to within a point. The final four or five minutes were then a scramble with a last gasp attempt at goal by StA saved on the line. Ruckman Walsh and half back Meleisea the best for the Roosters. Aaron Jones very well held for two goals from about five kicks. Think Shane Jack kicked 4. Very large crowd for the club's first win since Round 3 and fantastic scenes in the rooms following.

Was a great game to watch. Good advertisement for local footy.

Have to agree, Walshy in the ruck was immense for West. His work in that second quarter was what got West back into the game and on a roll. he pretty much rucked the whole game by himself.

Good to see all the old St Peter's boys there from the 1980 flag team reunion for those of us who were associated with the club back then.

Hopefully they can make it two in a row against North Shore next week.

 

[Phil Dickpott]

Great win by West over St Albans today in a ripping game to watch. Supersaints 5 goals to 1 up at qtr time with many wasted chances and should have been closer to 10 goals upbut for some poor deciSion making on their fwd line. West then came out full of fire in front of the old St Peters' faithfulto kick 9-1 in the second. West then maintained their four goal lead until late in the last when StA banged on four in a row to get to within a point. The final four or five minutes were then a scramble with a last gasp attempt at goal by StA saved on the line. Ruckman Walsh and half back Meleisea the best for the Roosters. Aaron Jones very well held for two goals from about five kicks. Think Shane Jack kicked 4. Very large crowd for the club's first win since Round 3 and fantastic scenes in the rooms following.

did witness sum good celebrations in the rooms after the win, can u tell me who played on that jones as the numbers were all different due to the heritage jumper

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

did witness sum good celebrations in the rooms after the win, can u tell me who played on that jones as the numbers were all different due to the heritage jumper

Could have been Anthony Chirnside.

 

[both ways]

No! im not joking Tim,

i personally think the top junior BFL sides Would match if not better the top junior GFL sides. Bellariine like every league there are the teams that struggle, but i think you will find that to be the case all around australia.

seems as we are agreeing to disagree, however i think the point that needs to be highlighted is the mentallity of junior players. success breeds success and if a young team is being beaten by a solid margin week in week out, than you would assume that it doesnt help with there desire to continue on into senior football.

 

[Phil Dickpott]

Could have been Anthony Chirnside.

good young footballer, hes not that tall for a defender but ive seen him do a job on a few of the big forwards, including the game last week on dale carson.
speaking of the carsons, while watching joeys and west last week the crowd had some good sledging goin on, including the rumour that both the brothers have already signed at newtown for next year, Anyone heard anything about this

 

[tim finnigan]

No! im not joking Tim,

i personally think the top junior BFL sides Would match if not better the top junior GFL sides. Bellariine like every league there are the teams that struggle, but i think you will find that to be the case all around australia.

seems as we are agreeing to disagree, however i think the point that needs to be highlighted is the mentallity of junior players. success breeds success and if a young team is being beaten by a solid margin week in week out, than you would assume that it doesnt help with there desire to continue on into senior football.

Agree with your last paragraph. Hopefully the meeting today will see some much needed changes to the Geelong footy structure.

Watched Bell Park thrash Grovey by 82 points yesterday. As silly as it sounds given the margain, It was a very competetive effort by the tiges. The margain was always around 5-6 goals untill Bell Park exploded in the last 1/4 kicking 8 goals to blow Grovey away.

Bell Park are clearly the best side in it at the moment but they have a few worrying signs. They seem to play a game plan similar to St Kilda's with a lot of chip kicking and seem to be a little defensive which is strange considering there the most talented side by a fair way. Also there goal kicking is something which could come back to hurt them come September in a tight game. They seem to kick more points than goals most weeks.

And one last thing.. Tim Sherringham is the best player in the GFL by the length of Latrobe Terrace.. All class.

 

[tim finnigan]

good young footballer, hes not that tall for a defender but ive seen him do a job on a few of the big forwards, including the game last week on dale carson.
speaking of the carsons, while watching joeys and west last week the crowd had some good sledging goin on, including the rumour that both the brothers have already signed at newtown for next year, Anyone heard anything about this

Have been hearing they aren't happy at Joeys but dont believe they've signed anywhere else for next year as yet.

 

[both ways]

only saw the second half of bell park v grovedale, and i agree totally that bell parks game plan is similiar to st. kilda's.... i thought the effort grovedale put in was respectable, but they were outclassed by a much better side, i definately think bell park is the team to watch come finals, but wil be interesting to see how the shrot style of play goes on the bigger skilled stadium against stronger smarter oposition..

is it true however that bell park needs to find $240,000 per year for them to pay there players??? raises the question as to how strong they will be and for how long.. especially to the south barwon dynasty of the last 5 yrs who pay there players very little?

tim sheringham is one of the best players and was all class yesterday, however i think his younger brother has the wood over him. as fair as best in the league, id say id give my votes to lavars

 

[tim finnigan]

only saw the second half of bell park v grovedale, and i agree totally that bell parks game plan is similiar to st. kilda's.... i thought the effort grovedale put in was respectable, but they were outclassed by a much better side, i definately think bell park is the team to watch come finals, but wil be interesting to see how the shrot style of play goes on the bigger skilled stadium against stronger smarter oposition..

is it true however that bell park needs to find $240,000 per year for them to pay there players??? raises the question as to how strong they will be and for how long.. especially to the south barwon dynasty of the last 5 yrs who pay there players very little?

tim sheringham is one of the best players and was all class yesterday, however i think his younger brother has the wood over him. as fair as best in the league, id say id give my votes to lavars

You were obviously out at the huddle 3/4 time? Was a strange comment to make I thought, as was the comment of "in terms of effort we're just as good as them".. Bell Park didnt get outta 1st gear all day yet still won by 80 points.

The piece of play in the 3rd quarter where Sherringham turned a grovey player inside out on the wing bondary, hit a bloke 50m away lace out recieved it back and kicked the goal on the run was the best piece of individual play ive seen all year.

 

[BrownSugar]

Could have been Anthony Chirnside.

No. Gareth Donald. Only been playing seniors for about 3 weeks. Sacrificed his own game to shut him down very well. Jones got very hungry as the game went on just to try and get himself up and going. I have seen him do this extremely well but on Sat it just wasn't working. Chirnside had a first qtr to forget (like most of them) but was very good for the last three terms. Very underrated defender.

 

[tim finnigan]

Dont think the final 5 is finished yet and Lara are still no assured of a spot.

Current ladder
Lara- P-15 W11 l4 %104.60.. Pts44

St Joeys- P-15 W10 L5 %131.08 Pts40

Leopold- P-15 W9 L6 %140.73 Pts36

RUN HOME
Lara- Newtown(A) GWSP(A) St Joeys(H)

St Joeys- Bell Park(H) Colac(A) Lara(A)

Leopold- South Barwon(A) St Marys(H) Bell Park(H)

Lara only need 1 win outta the last 3 to make it, but wouldn't wanna leave it to round 18 to guarentee it. I cant see Joeys winning any of there last 3 and I have a feeling Leopold will cause an upset in 1 of there next 2 games.

So if my predictions prove to be correct, Lara will stay 4th, And Leopold will overtake Joeys in 5th.. Hopefully anyway

 

[tommahawk_07]

is it true however that bell park needs to find $240,000 per year for them to pay there players??? raises the question as to how strong they will be and for how long.. especially to the south barwon dynasty of the last 5 yrs who pay there players very little?

just a silly comnent from an ill-informed individual. bell park pays not nearly as much as what you seem to think. players that are recruited there will usually come because they know someone, played juniors there or have some existing link to the club. if it is a battle for cash eg the david johnson situation then we cant compete. that is just the facts.

 

[tim finnigan]

just a silly comnent from an ill-informed individual. bell park pays not nearly as much as what you seem to think. players that are recruited there will usually come because they know someone, played juniors there or have some existing link to the club. if it is a battle for cash eg the david johnson situation then we cant compete. that is just the facts.

What both ways wrote was actually words straight out of the Grovedale coaches mouth at 3/4 time which I also thought was a strange comment to make.

 

[both ways]

you would notice that i raised the issue as a question. not a statement. the statement i made was that if it was true that they delt with that type of money for players, then how long would there on field success last in comparison to south barwon who i believe to be paid very little.
maybe think before u speak.

wasnt at the 3/4 time huddle, but spoke to a few people after the match and thats where the comment was made.
however i do find it to be interesting as to why the coach would have said this a 3/4 time huddle like u say tim. surely there is more constructive things to be telling the players.

 

[tommahawk_07]

well in answer to the question no it is not true.

from the same bloke that brought us 'grovedale will finish top 3' - as i said silly comment from an ill-informed
individual.

 

[Shad]

Yeah apparently Sheringham, Sheringham, Lowther, Kennedy, Cuthill, Batchelor, Bright, Couch, Talbot et al are playing at Bell Park for nothing because they like the facilities..particularly the ground

well in answer to the question no it is not true.

from the same bloke that brought us 'grovedale will finish top 3' - as i said silly comment from an ill-informed
individual.