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Play Nice Geelong home final at GHMBA Stadium, is this an unfair advantage?
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Armchair ride for some....8 games against the top 8.
That % stands out for one team: Geelong.
Yep we did play 8 - only 3 on our home turf.
Pies played 11 - but 7 of them on pies home turf. Cushy or what?
Swings and roundabouts.
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we had 12....and went 7-5 with similar % to Collingwood.
The home away isn’t even so this earned term is problematic for starters.
Its a compromised draw. Not everyone plays each other twice home and away. Not everyone has a home CROWD advantage. The West only has 2 Derbies a year. Richmond has to play 15 of them.
No country football league ever has had final going to the higher ranked team etc.
This higher placed team getting a final advantage is rare I would have thought in a one off final system.
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You do realise the fixture is based off last years ladder, yea?
This (should) be a very simple equation, if all melbourne based clubs had the situation geelong currently has, the rules/contracts would have been changed years ago, led by Eddie McGuire himself.
Ask yourselves one question, if coll/haw/rich, etc had to play an away game despite earning the right for a home final consistently, what would the reaction be?
Yeah I thought so!
Ask yourselves one question, if coll/haw/rich, etc had to play an away game despite earning the right for a home final consistently, what would the reaction be?
Yeah I thought so!
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Should be a final at GMHBA but we all know it wont be soooo we all move on...
You do know how percentage works right?
It's as simple as (points scored)/(points against). It's independent of number of games played. It's purely an indicator of how strong an opponent is compared to its peers.
This debate feels a bit crazy to me.
For the lifetime of the AFL finals were played at neutral venues - predominantly the MCG and VFL park. Geelong have literally only played 1 final at Kardinia Park in their 124 years in the competition and that was in 2013. Similarly,Carlton only ever played 3 finals at Princes Park - during WWIi when the MCG was out of commission. Collingwood never played a final at Victoria Park
For the lifetime of the competition the principle wasn’t ‘home advantage’ it was neutrality.
With the advent of the non-CVictorian teams home state became a factor. Neutrality was fine as a principle but impossible given travel, but games were played at the most suitable neutral venue in the home state, other than the grand final which is at the MCG, the most neutral ground in the league.
For WC and Freo, Subiaco and the WACA Were the neutral venues - shared grounds and the biggest in the state. Same with Football Park - the home of football in SA. We all knew the Eagles and Crows had a bigger advantage there than anyone had at the MCG but went along with it.
The AFL dug their grave with GWS and Geelong when they abandoned neutrality as a principle imo.
After railroading Victorian teams out of suburban grounds and into neutral venues (particularly Carlton who fought until the threat of the AFL bankrupting them) they have since relented, allowing Geelong and GWS to not only continue playing at suburban grounds, but giving them the first genuinely ‘home’ finals in the history of the league.
It’s a shame because the door is open now. But to be truly open teams should be able to nominate the venue imo. Hawthorn should be able to play on Tassie. Essendon or Bulldogs at Docklands. Carlton at Princes Park and that includes finals too
Otherwise it is a crazy situation where some teams get home games and others still play neutral venues. It’s bad enough that this occurs in the regular season, let alone in finals
For the lifetime of the AFL finals were played at neutral venues - predominantly the MCG and VFL park. Geelong have literally only played 1 final at Kardinia Park in their 124 years in the competition and that was in 2013. Similarly,Carlton only ever played 3 finals at Princes Park - during WWIi when the MCG was out of commission. Collingwood never played a final at Victoria Park
For the lifetime of the competition the principle wasn’t ‘home advantage’ it was neutrality.
With the advent of the non-CVictorian teams home state became a factor. Neutrality was fine as a principle but impossible given travel, but games were played at the most suitable neutral venue in the home state, other than the grand final which is at the MCG, the most neutral ground in the league.
For WC and Freo, Subiaco and the WACA Were the neutral venues - shared grounds and the biggest in the state. Same with Football Park - the home of football in SA. We all knew the Eagles and Crows had a bigger advantage there than anyone had at the MCG but went along with it.
The AFL dug their grave with GWS and Geelong when they abandoned neutrality as a principle imo.
After railroading Victorian teams out of suburban grounds and into neutral venues (particularly Carlton who fought until the threat of the AFL bankrupting them) they have since relented, allowing Geelong and GWS to not only continue playing at suburban grounds, but giving them the first genuinely ‘home’ finals in the history of the league.
It’s a shame because the door is open now. But to be truly open teams should be able to nominate the venue imo. Hawthorn should be able to play on Tassie. Essendon or Bulldogs at Docklands. Carlton at Princes Park and that includes finals too
Otherwise it is a crazy situation where some teams get home games and others still play neutral venues. It’s bad enough that this occurs in the regular season, let alone in finals
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Well that was 10 embarrassing pages of oppo fans showing zero intelligence.
Yep.
The entire notion of ‘earning’ a home game is wrong.
By finishing top, what you have ‘earned’ is a double chance and a final in your state.
Because finals in all Aussie Rules competitions are always league controlled events.
They were always staged at the venue available to the league that was best fit to host finals.
Reputations were based on how players stood up in big finals in front of 100k fans at the G.
Nobody cared that Melbourne called the MCG ‘home’ and played in front of 15k during H&A.
Good article
www.abc.net.au
Does the home-ground 'advantage' really matter in finals footy?
The disadvantage non-Victorian teams have supposedly experienced in MCG grand finals is like citing the disadvantage a young George Clooney had finding a dinner date, Richard Hinds says.
www.abc.net.au
Good article
Does the home-ground 'advantage' really matter in finals footy?
The disadvantage non-Victorian teams have supposedly experienced in MCG grand finals is like citing the disadvantage a young George Clooney had finding a dinner date, Richard Hinds says.
Not a good article at all, entirely a vfl based article...since the vfl became the afl his points are irrelevant in the extreme. Interstate sides receive a home final, as do all Melb clubs, literally the only club in the afl (national comp remember) who doesn't is geelong.
Again this is super simple, just ask yourself if you would be happy and be prepared to put up with playing an away game despite earning the right for a home game...I know what the answer would be (even if some ppl's ego on here won't admit it) so hence why if it's good for goose, why not for the gander!!
Even more reason why they shouldn’t play finals at a suburban Victorian venue.
We are way too professional now.
Willfully wrong and ignorant mate, by finishing 1st, 2nd, 5th or 6th you earn the right to a home final.
By finishing 1st and 2nd you also earn the right to a double chance.
Plz get your facts right
Wrong
Here are the 2019 AFL regulations.
The ‘home final’ is a myth trotted out by loser Geelong coaches, and lapped up by fans who don’t know what they are talking about.
Geelong is in Victoria, by finishing top, they ‘earn’ a final in Victoria.
2.6 Finals Series
(a) At the completion of the Home and Away Matches, the first eight Clubs on the Final Premiership Ladder shall compete in the Finals Series under the Final Eight System.
(b) The Commission may at any time impose, vary or revoke any conditions or requirements applicable to the Finals Series or a Finals Series Match.
2.7 Venues for Finals Series Matches
(a) General
(i) This Regulation 2.7 shall be read in conjunction with the Final Eight System.
(ii) Subject to Regulation 2.7(f), Finals Series Matches shall be played at such dates, times and venues as may be determined from time to time by the Commission.
(b) Elimination Final
Unless the AFL is required to schedule an Elimination Final at the MCG in order to satisfy its contractual obligations under the MCG Licence Agreement, the Clubs that are placed fifth and sixth on the Final Premiership Ladder at the end of the Home and Away Matches shall play the Elimination Final in which they compete at a venue in the State where they are based unless otherwise determined by the Commission.
(c) Qualifying Final
Unless the AFL is required to schedule a Qualifying Final at the MCG in order to satisfy its contractual obligations under the MCG Licence Agreement, the
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Clubs that are placed first and second on the Final Premiership Ladder at the end of the Home and Away Matches shall play the Qualifying Final in which they compete at a venue in the State where the relevant Club is based.
(d) Semi-Finals
Unless the AFL is required to schedule a Semi-Final at the MCG in order to satisfy its contractual obligations under the MCG Licence Agreement, the Clubs which lose the Qualifying Finals shall play the Semi-Final in which they next compete at a venue in the State where they are based unless otherwise determined by the Commission.
(e) Preliminary Finals
Unless the AFL is required to schedule a Preliminary Final at the MCG in order to satisfy its contractual obligations under the MCG Licence Agreement, the Clubs which win the Qualifying Finals shall play the Preliminary Final in which they next compete at a venue in the State where the relevant Club is based unless otherwise determined by the Commission.
(f) Grand Final
Unless otherwise determined by the Commission, the Grand Final shall at all times be played at the MCG.
I have put together a ground advantage ranking list for this years Home and Away season based on familiarity for each ground played.
The way it works is that if a team plays at a ground only once this season is up against a team that plays at the ground 9 times then the former gets a score of 1/(1+9) = 0.1 compared to the latter of 9/(9+1) = 0.9 which of course totals to 1. Add them all up to get a score for the season. The average is 11 with those above it having greater ground advantage and those below it less ground advantage .
I know that familiarity develops over several seasons and just looking at this one season in isolation may give skewed results but the same teams seem to travel to the same places each year.
The way it works is that if a team plays at a ground only once this season is up against a team that plays at the ground 9 times then the former gets a score of 1/(1+9) = 0.1 compared to the latter of 9/(9+1) = 0.9 which of course totals to 1. Add them all up to get a score for the season. The average is 11 with those above it having greater ground advantage and those below it less ground advantage .
I know that familiarity develops over several seasons and just looking at this one season in isolation may give skewed results but the same teams seem to travel to the same places each year.
| Port Adelaide | 12.23 |
| Brisbane Lions | 12.01 |
| Sydney Swans | 11.98 |
| West Coast Eagles | 11.78 |
| Fremantle | 11.75 |
| North Melbourne | 11.67 |
| Gold Coast SUNS | 11.65 |
| Adelaide Crows | 11.60 |
| Collingwood | 11.08 |
| GWS GIANTS | 10.95 |
| Hawthorn | 10.87 |
| Western Bulldogs | 10.75 |
| Geelong Cats | 10.66 |
| Richmond | 10.51 |
| St Kilda | 10.41 |
| Melbourne | 9.79 |
| Essendon | 9.58 |
| Carlton | 8.75 |
A home final is a myth?? Hahahahahahahaha oh mate, tht takes the cake.
I'll ask again because I'm starting to feel like I'm talking to politicians...what and how would you react if say coll finished 1st, wce 4th and you were told you would play wce in perth? This is the point...if you wouldnt put up with being treated like that, why should we?
The core principle for finals was always neutrality; crowds were a secondary factor.
It was always about the best, fairest spectacle possible.
No one wants finals played on a crapheap with a 7 goal wind in front of 15,000 home supporters. We want the best possible venue. People dream of playing finals at the MCG in the same way they dream of playing golf at Augusta. It’s the pinnacle of the sport. No one dreams of playing finals at Kardinia Park (or Princes Park, the Western Oval or whatever the dump GWS play on is called)
Home finals have never been a part of the sport. Finals have always been played at the best and biggest ground available. For the grand final that’s the MCG. For everyone else it is the biggest ground in their home state.
The idea that anyone ‘earned a home final’ is a recent myth trotted out mostly by Geelong people who aren’t satisfied with suddenly getting 10 home games and 6 neutral games in a comp where no one else has even remotely the same advantage (and the only other comparable team was railroaded out of that advantage by the league 15 years ago)
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